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08-26-2010, 08:36 PM
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Well since you guys didnt like my last trade proposal, i thought id try again and hopefully do better

Anyway

To San jose
Beauchimen
Sjostrom

To Boston
McGinn
SJ 1st 2011
Joslin


To Toronto
Bergeron
Ryder

This IMO is an even trade. San Jose gets a top 4 dman and an excellent pker. Boston gets a solid young LW, another 1st rounder this year and a good dman prospect, who has the hardest shot in the AHL. Most importently, boston clears cap space. Toronto gets a top 6 forward, and takes a salary dump.


note: sorry wrong button, meant to hit proposal, could a mod please change it for me?
As a San Jose fan I would say no. Boston definitely says no. Toronto says yes, unless Burke's man-crush on Beauch is even bigger than anyone thinks.

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Ryder's a RW so where would he play 3rd or 4th line ? We have Kessel and Versteeg.
our second line as of now _______(Clowe) - Kadri - Versteeg
but you want it to be _______ (most likely Caputi) - Bozak - Versteeg/Ryder
then the 3rd line with Kadri center we need him on the top 2 lines.

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08-26-2010, 08:37 PM
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SJ says no, 1st+josilin should land us someone around Beauchimen's level, but there is no reason to downgrade from McGinn to Sjostrom.
It's one thing to say that.... its eniterly another to find a team willing to give you a player of Beauchemin's level for a 1st + Joslin. Unfortunately, the only thing that matters is what another team would be willing to give up, not an arbitrary determination of value.

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08-26-2010, 08:37 PM
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Ryder's a RW so where would he play 3rd or 4th line ? We have Kessel and Versteeg.
our second line as of now _______(Clowe) - Kadri - Versteeg
but you want it to be _______ (most likely Caputi) - Bozak - Versteeg/Ryder
then the 3rd line with Kadri center we need him on the top 2 lines.
I musta missed that trade

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Joslin + a 2011 1st for Beauchemin would be a great deal for both teams IMO

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08-26-2010, 08:38 PM
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Joslin + a 2011 1st for Beauchemin would be a great deal for both teams IMO
No offense, but that makes literally zero sense for Toronto.

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Bozak played better than Bergeron last season, amd why get another Centre when we already have Bozak, Kadri, Mitchell, Grabovski all fighting for a spot. We can get a LW for our second line which we REALLY need like trading Beauch for CLOWE, Clowe could be our SOLID second line LW.
I really hope Brian Burke hires you this year to be his right hand man.

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Bozak played better than Bergeron last season, amd why get another Centre when we already have Bozak, Kadri, Mitchell, Grabovski all fighting for a spot. We can get a LW for our second line which we REALLY need like trading Beauch for CLOWE, Clowe could be our SOLID second line LW.
Because none of those are first line centers yet?

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I dont know why you think the sharks, who are gunning for a cup, are going to trade a peice of their core without a suitable replacement in the system
Umm, Couture, McGinn, Lucia, MacIntyre, Mashinter and McCarthy all say Hi!

Are any of them direct replacements for Clowe right now? Probably not. But Mashinter is basically a Clowe clone, and McGinn and Couture at least can play Top-6 minutes now.

But then, I wouldn't trade Clowe for Beauch because I'm not that big a fan of Beauch. I don't think he's worth Clowe. TML fans no doubt disagree.

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Joslin + a 2011 1st for Beauchemin would be a great deal for both teams IMO
Leafs need forwards, why would they trade beauchemin for another dman?

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I musta missed that trade
It's been agreed to among posters, fortunately no one on this website has any say or connection to some form of professional hockey operations.

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I like where this thread is going...

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It's one thing to say that.... its eniterly another to find a team willing to give you a player of Beauchemin's level for a 1st + Joslin. Unfortunately, the only thing that matters is what another team would be willing to give up, not an arbitrary determination of value.
Gotta agree w/ this. SJ would be lucky to land Beauchemin for Joslin & 1st (late 1st to boot)

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08-26-2010, 08:44 PM
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Umm, Couture, McGinn, Lucia, MacIntyre, Mashinter and McCarthy all say Hi!

Are any of them direct replacements for Clowe right now? Probably not. But Mashinter is basically a Clowe clone, and McGinn and Couture at least can play Top-6 minutes now.

But then, I wouldn't trade Clowe for Beauch because I'm not that big a fan of Beauch. I don't think he's worth Clowe. TML fans no doubt disagree.
San jose is trying to win a cup now. Couture is the only player you mentioned who could play top 6 now. and Couture doesnt have the same toughness level as Clowe, which i feel our top 6 needs to have. If Mashinter progresses well, Clowe becomes expendable, until then, IMO he's not

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Bozak played better than Bergeron last season, amd why get another Centre when we already have Bozak, Kadri, Mitchell, Grabovski all fighting for a spot. We can get a LW for our second line which we REALLY need like trading Beauch for CLOWE, Clowe could be our SOLID second line LW.
Sooooooo many things wrong with this statement, but I'll point out a couple obvious ones

1) Bozak dreams about one day being almost as good as Bergeron.
2) Kadri has played 1 NHL game - who knows what he'll be
3) Mitchell - really? Do I need to say more?
4) Grabovski - will never be, on his best day, half the player Bergeron is
5) Bergeron can play left wing if that's were the need is
6) You need to get Clowe

even taking on Ryder's contract gives you better forwards that what you currently have

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Bozak played better than Bergeron last season, amd why get another Centre when we already have Bozak, Kadri, Mitchell, Grabovski all fighting for a spot. We can get a LW for our second line which we REALLY need like trading Beauch for CLOWE, Clowe could be our SOLID second line LW.
If you belive this please keep your thought to youself ( Bozak played better than Bergeron)

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Toronto needs a #1 Centre, Bergeron's played with Kessel. Toronto doesn't even have a prospect that can potentially be #1. Bergeron's only 25 year old with a good contract.

Toronto desperatly needs more Offensemen...

Leafs would do this so fast.
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toronto needs a left wing
not a centre

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San jose is trying to win a cup now. Couture is the only player you mentioned who could play top 6 now. and Couture doesnt have the same toughness level as Clowe, which i feel our top 6 needs to have. If Mashinter progresses well, Clowe becomes expendable, until then, IMO he's not
San Jose has been trying to win the Cup "now" since the lockout. As for who is more ready to play Top 6 minutes, at the moment I think McGinn is more ready than Couture. Couture has more talent, but he lacks speed and he's more of a passer than a scorer. So if I want someone to replace Clowe in the Top 6 with Pavs and Seto, I want McGinn, who addresses one of the biggest problems on that 2nd line (the lack of speed). Couture does not help that issue at all.

As for the "toughness" issue, I think you vastly over-rate any "toughness" Clowe brings. He gets in a fight once in a while, but he's not a deterent to anything and Clowe didn't really have that many more hits last year than Setoguchi did. If McGinn had played all 82 games last year, he would have had the same amounts of hits as Seto did, which if replaces Clowe nets out to 30 less hits over the regular season.

So yeah, I think Mcginn is ready to replace Clowe in the Top 6 with little impact on the team other than perhaps an improvement in speed and goal scoring (I think McGinn has more offensive talent than Clowe does).

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Joslin + a 2011 1st for Beauchemin would be a great deal for both teams IMO
Blacker + a 2011 2nd for Clowe would be a great deal for both teams....

It takes two teams to tango. Leafs are looking to improve now, not take on a prospect defenceman (Leafs have plenty of those) and a draft pick that is regularily very late in the first round. Trades aren't made based on some arbitrary hf-value, they're made because each team is recieving a player that helps them more than the player they are trading.

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I'd be up for Joslin+1st for Beauchmein+Sjostrom at the deadline, but there is no way that I'd add McGinn. If Toronto re-signs Kaberle they'd be going into next year with Kaberle-Phaneuf-Komarisek-Gunnarson-Schenn-Lebda-Joslin and Aulie on the way, that is still excellent depth. They could than use San Jose's first could get them a top 6 forward. If nothing else Toronto would have 3.8 million to dedicate to its forward core in free agency, and two assets for the future.

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Because none of those are first line centers yet?
and how to you expect them to become so if they don't get the minutes.

Who's to say kadri won't shine as an nhl centre like duchene did? Don't bank on it but its possible. The leafs technically have 3 2nd line centres in Bozak, Kadri and Grabo.

They don't need anymore confusion at centre, what they need is a left winger good for 25 goals.

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not a centre
Ya my bad, i forgot Bozak is better then Bergeron. Obviously hes already gonna be a 60pts+.

Silly leaf fans.

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and how to you expect them to become so if they don't get the minutes.

Who's to say kadri won't shine as an nhl centre like duchene did? Don't bank on it but its possible. The leafs technically have 3 2nd line centres in Bozak, Kadri and Grabo.

They don't need anymore confusion at centre, what they need is a left winger good for 25 goals.
And how exactly are the Leafs supposed to get that?

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Ya my bad, i forgot Bozak is better then Bergeron. Obviously hes already gonna be a 60pts+.

Silly leaf fans.
you forgot he's also going to make his teams olmypic team

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And how exactly are the Leafs supposed to get that?

i dunno.
sign kariya.

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