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08-27-2010, 12:09 AM
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Pronger on 1 knee beats them all.

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08-27-2010, 12:58 AM
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Pronger on 1 knee beats them all.
This is sort of a given, since Pronger actually only has one knee. He wears a peg leg under his shin pad on one side, which is why he's so slow.

I think we have the better defense for now, possibly the best in the league on paper (and we should, we spend a lot on D). In three years their guys might be better, but these D-corps won't be intact in 3 years so.......

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08-27-2010, 06:44 AM
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Hey, Shark fan here, just stumbled along this thread.

Easily Philly. Pitt doesn't have a True No.1 Defenseman, and the Flyers have 2 of them.
Mind you, if they stay with the line combos they had for most season, each of the Flyers' "No. 1 defenseman" is spread out onto different lines.

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08-27-2010, 08:24 AM
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Well, that's a useless comparison when you're talking about how the D will actually play... because how partners play out is really what makes a defense go.
I realize this, but it's hard to say not knowing what all the d-pairs will be.

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On paper I don't think it is close. The Flyers are pretty scary on the blueline. But paper doesn't always translate so we'll see, but if I were a betting man, which I am, I'd put all my money on the Flyers having a better defense.

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08-27-2010, 09:16 AM
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didnt you flyers fans get the memo? when it comes to the pens they are head and shoulders better in every catagory. They even make better cheesesteaks and pretzels. Cant believe someone even asked this question.

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08-27-2010, 10:14 AM
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I wonder what a Pens board version of this thread would look like.

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I wonder what a Pens board version of this thread would look like.
we should make one to find out. but that might make a load of them come in here, and im not sure any of us want that.

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08-27-2010, 10:30 AM
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I wonder what a Pens board version of this thread would look like.
I'm sure it would involve Crosby and Malkin's stellar defensive capabilities.

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Martin is very solid, but he's more of a no. 2. A GREAT leader for your 2nd pairing, or a good guy in tandem with someone on a 1st pairing... but not an alpha, and nowhere near the offensive chops of the guy he's technically replacing.
Martin is replacing Gonchar? That's new to Penguin fans....hmmmm, Thanks Insider.

Martin and Big Z were brought in for defensive help, Letang and Gogo will be taking the offensive part over...but atleast you try and act like you know what you're talking about...keep it up man!

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08-27-2010, 10:37 AM
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The Flyers have a better defense than just about anyone...to a fault.

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08-27-2010, 10:39 AM
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The Flyers have a better defense than just about anyone...to a fault.
Now that the pens have the Big Z, i am not so sure.

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But to be honest I wouldn't swap D-corps with any other team in the league.
Not even LA?

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08-27-2010, 10:42 AM
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Martin is replacing Gonchar? That's new to Penguin fans....hmmmm, Thanks Insider.

Martin and Big Z were brought in for defensive help, Letang and Gogo will be taking the offensive part over...but atleast you try and act like you know what you're talking about...keep it up man!
Well now you're just being a dick.

He meant that you guys brought in Martin to be your no. 1 type guy that Gonchar was, not necessarily to have him play the same type of game and do all the same things.

But if Letang and Goligosky are the offensive guys that will replace Gonchar that still isn't anywhere near as good as Gonchar was.

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08-27-2010, 11:29 AM
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Some things i wanted to respond to:

Gonchar was number 1 D maybe 2 years ago. Last 2 years his defensive play was on a steady decline even though his offense stayed at close to top form.

Pronger is i guess the phillies trump card, but he is getting up there in age and i think either this year or next he will get slowed down, i am expecting to see him take same route and D Hatcher. Where he is easily avoided with speed.

Martin offensive numbers werent impressive because he played in NJ under lemaire AND he missed more then half a season with injury so it's hard to use them as any kind of measuring stick, but watching him play he is a smooth skater with good passing ability. On top of that he is a solid defenseman so where we lost ground by losing gonchars offensive ability he more then makes up for it in defensive department. (or so i hope)


Pronger >/= Martin
Timonen = Orpik
Carle < Michalek
Coburn < Letang
Meszaros = Goligoski

This is how i see this comparison.
Pronger is/was better but i think this year he will decline and martin will improve.
Timmonen might be better offensively but orpik makes up ground on physicality.
Carle is close to michalek defensively but i think michalek pulls ahead on physicality.
Letang is just amaizing imo. great skater, strong, physical, great offensively. Once he starts hitting the net with his slap shot i think he will double if not triple his offenvie production numbers. While i dont notice Coburn much when i watch philly games, he just doent seem anything special, just a decent mid pairing guy.
Meszaros from 3 years ago is better then Gologoski, now a days i dont know.

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Well now you're just being a dick.

He meant that you guys brought in Martin to be your no. 1 type guy that Gonchar was, not necessarily to have him play the same type of game and do all the same things.

But if Letang and Goligosky are the offensive guys that will replace Gonchar that still isn't anywhere near as good as Gonchar was.
Agreed. And their PP was pretty mediocre WITH Gonchar. It's going to be rough without him.

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Not even LA?
Three years from now? Yes.

Until then? No.

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08-27-2010, 11:31 AM
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Pronger >>> Martin
Timonen > Michalek
Carle < Orpik
Coburn = Letang
Mez > Goligoski

Sure in 2 years or so Pittsburgh will have a better unit because our 2 aces (Pronger/Timonen) aren't getting any younger, but for this next season it's not even close. Pittsburgh has some nice pieces though, but they don't even have one top guy whereas we have dos.

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Pronger >>> Martin
Timonen >> Michalek
Carle < Orpik
Coburn = Letang
Mez > Goligoski
Timonen is better than Michalek by more than what you seem to think.

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Sure in 2 years or so Pittsburgh will have a better unit because our 2 aces (Pronger/Timonen) aren't getting any younger, but for this next season it's not even close. Pittsburgh has some nice pieces though, but they don't even have one top line guy whereas we have dos.
If Coburn and Meszaros hit their prime in stride the way they were projected to, I'm not so sure Pittsburgh's d-core will be better.

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08-27-2010, 11:55 AM
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Pronger >/= Martin
Timonen = Orpik
Carle < Michalek
Coburn < Letang
Meszaros = Goligoski

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An absolute joke that orpik = kimmo. A joke. Coburn is not < Letang either. the diff between Pronger and whoever is huge. Kimmo is also better than anyoen on the pens. Mezaros while not great dman is clearly better than the polish kid, unless if all you look at are points as he clearly doesnt know his way around the defensive end. Pens fans amaze me.

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I wonder what a Pens board version of this thread would look like.
I think we have our answer:

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Pronger >/= Martin
Timonen = Orpik
Carle < Michalek
Coburn < Letang
Meszaros = Goligoski

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Meh, I get that Timonen is good, but feel that he is overrated.

Plus Kunitz is his kryptonite.
anyone who thinks Timonen is overrated clearly has not been paying attention.
LOL@ Kunitz.


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Pronger >/= Martin
Timonen = Orpik
I want to focus on this for a second...

Wtf?

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I want to focus on this for a second...

Wtf?
I was holding off for someone else to respond to that in hopes that my eyes weren't playing a trick on me. LOL.

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Trying to be objective, each team has a wildcard.

For the Flyers, it's whether or not Meszaros can return to anything resembling his Ottawa form. For the Pens, it's how much Letang and Goligoski can step up their offensive contributions with Gonchar's departure.

All things being equal, this discussion begins and ends with the impact of Pronger. He's on another plane than any of these guys, and until he proves otherwise, this argument goes in the Flyers' favor by a fair, but not huge, margin.

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