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08-27-2010, 07:44 PM
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The Annual "Rip HF For the Wild Prospect Rankings" Thread

Exhibit A.


I can't believe this wasn't posted yet, and to boot, I think that list is pretty damn close to what I would have done.

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The top 3 are tough to argue against, but from that point on I think the list completely reeks.

Here's how I would round out the top 10 from #4 on...

4) Wellman
5) Gillies
6) Prosser
7) Larsson
8) Hackett
9) Bulmer
10) Falk

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08-27-2010, 07:54 PM
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I've been waiting all day for that thread to show up, but at this point **** it. Some asshat will have to merge it.

Where to start: It begins with "The eighth overall pick in the 2010 NHL draft, Mikael Granlund, immediately makes the Wild's prospect pool more competitive." That should pretty much explain how things go.

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08-27-2010, 07:56 PM
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I've been waiting all day for that thread to show up, but at this point **** it. Some asshat will have to merge it.

Where to start: It begins with "The eighth overall pick in the 2010 NHL draft, Mikael Granlund, immediately makes the Wild's prospect pool more competitive." That should pretty much explain how things go.

Obviously wasn't written by one of us?


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The article's top 20 compared to our top 16

Article
1. (NR) Mikael Granlund, C, 8C
2. (2) Marco Scandella, D, 7C
3. (1) Tyler Cuma, D, 7C
4. (3) Colton Gillies, LW, 6.5B
5. (4) Matt Hackett, 7C
6. (6) Cody Almond, 6.5B
7. (NR) Johan Larsson, 6.5B
8. (NR) Casey Wellman, C/RW, 6.5C
9. (NR) Joel Broda, C, 6.5C
10. (7) Erik Haula, LW, 7D
11. (5) Maxim Noreau, D, 6.5C
12. (NR) Nate Prosser, D, 6.5C
13. (8) Justin Falk, D, 6.5C
14. (NR) Brett Bulmer, RW, 6.5C
15. (NR) Jason Zucker, LW, 6.5C
16. (NR) Chad Rau, C, 7D
17. (9) Kris Foucault, LW, 6.5D
18. (12) Carson McMillan, RW, 6C
19. (14) Jere Sallinen, LW, 6.5D
20. (10) Petr Kalus, LW 6.5D

Fans
1. Mikael Granlund
2. Marco Scandella
3. Tyler Cuma
4. Casey Wellman
5. Cody Almond
6. Matt Hackett
7. Colton Gillies
8. Nate Prosser
9. Brett Bulmer
10. Johan Larsson
11. Erik Haula
12. Justin Falk
13. Jason Zucker
14. Dennis Endras
15. Jarod Palmer
16. Kristopher Foucault

So basically the fans have a lot more faith in Casey Wellman and Dennis Endras while the author of the article still is a fan of Colton Gillies and has a lot of faith in Larsson.

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08-27-2010, 08:04 PM
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overall the list is almost exaclty how i have mine, with the exception of wellman being below gillies, almond, larsson, and hackett.

My List
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1. (NR) Mikael Granlund, C, 8B* (have more faith in him)
2. (2) Marco Scandella, D, 7B*(see above)
3. (1) Tyler Cuma, D, 7C
4. (NR) Casey Wellman, C/RW, 7C*
5. (3) Colton Gillies, LW, 6.5B
6. (4) Matt Hackett, 7C
7. (6) Cody Almond, 6.5B
8. (NR) Johan Larsson, 6.5B
9. (NR) Nate Prosser, D, 6.5B*
10. (7) Erik Haula, LW, 7D
11. (NR) Joel Broda, C, 6.5C
12. (8) Justin Falk, D, 6.5C
13. (5) Maxim Noreau, D, 6.5C
14. (NR) Brett Bulmer, RW, 6.5C
15. (NR) Jason Zucker, LW, 6.5C


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What has Wellman done that makes him so high?

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08-27-2010, 10:51 PM
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It wasn't a terrible list. Honestly you can't be picky once you get past 5 or so. After that everyone is about the same.

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What has Wellman done that makes him so high?
He's only that high because the rest are so low. I have him 5 on my list, but that's not because Wellman is the bomb.

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Not only is Jarod Palmer not ranked on that list...he's not even mentioned anywhere. Am I missing something?

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Kalus #20?! WTF?! injustice. i demand an inquest.

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Not too bad IMO...he doesn't have some of the high end guys as high as I have them and he has the low end guys a little higher than I have them but all the middle guys are about the same.

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What has Wellman done that makes him so high?
Ripped it up in college and looked very promising in the NHL just being thrown into the fire.

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There were couple things that make me wonder if Peter has ever seen any of these guys play.

This one in particular on Wellman:

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At around 170 pounds, he is undersized and his skating leaves much to be desired.
Hello? I saw skating as a strength, but that's just me.

Also, Granlund's skating is "excellent" in one line, and "a concern" in another.

The rankings are okay - use users agree on most of the top ones anyway.

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What has Wellman done that makes him so high?
In spite of the fact he was only 170lbs he proved he could create offensive chances during a run to try and make the playoffs. He even managed to create chances despite playing with questionable linemates.

I'm not saying he's made it but I also feel pretty confident saying he has the skill to be a top 9 forward.

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Considering these HF writers have never seen most of these prospects play either in person or otherwise I take issue with some of these rankings.

My biggest issue is regarding the fact he's formed his opinions to question players taken in the 2nd round of the draft based on little firsthand knowledge. It's pretty doubtful the Wild draft Larsson, Zucker or Bulmer that early unless they have a pretty good idea they have bright futures.

If they believe players drafted that soon are that far down in the Wild rankings then I would have to say this clubs future is much brighter than even the most optimistic fans hoped. I mean let's be honest CF and Flahr must have seen something otherwise they wouldn't have taken either player.

I saw Zucker in the WJC and he looked very skilled with good wheels. Bulmer played extremely well last month at the prospect camp and I believe Russo wrote at the draft that the Wild were one of many teams who had him skyrocketing in the draft and see him with considerable potential as a power forward.

On a seperate related note I lost considerable respect for the Hockey News last month when they gave out grades of the June draft already. I think you can critique teams but to say one team gets an "A" and another a "D" based on rankings in ridiculous.

To me it's foolish to rank the 2010 draft 2 weeks after it happens since most of these players won't be success or bust for another 5 years.

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think Wellman's high rank is due to the fact that he is obviously well-thought of by the Wild coaches/management and thus more likely to get a fair chance to see regular NHL ice and--as has been said before--our overall weak prospect pool. not so much an indicator of his impending greatness as it is an indictment of our lack of skill currently in development.

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Ripped it up in college and looked very promising in the NHL just being thrown into the fire.
I just don't see how he is any different than Senja who did the same or Lessard.

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Im curious why palmer isn't in either list as well..... isn't he supposed to be as good as wellman if not better from what I've read?

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So many complaints IMO.
Almond over Wellman.
Broda over Haula, Noreau, Falk and Prosser.
McMillan and Kalus over Kuemper and Khudobin (Sorry rynryn, I hate him as much as you love him ;-P)

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bah, no worries.

I have no great love for him, i just try to give him some when I feel he's been a little too harshly judged by the populace.

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The article actually got notice in one of Finland's major newpapers

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/urheilu/uu...4386&pos=no-tu

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So I think Google Translate failed harder than a Joe Thornton playoff run with this one.

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Mikael Lund Gran loaded hard expectations, because hockeysfuture.com website of Finnish hard throughout the Minnesota Wild organization, for the most promise.

The Website is listed on the Minnesota Wild's 20 largest promise for the future and Granlund proudly displayed a list of number one.

- Granlund is full of promises, and easily the most promising player in Minnesota "conveyor belt". He must, however, still work to do, of course, strength and stamina with a site assessment of the Finno promise.

- Engagement with the organization, which has just committed a Finnish captain, Mikko birch, will certainly facilitate the transition to this young man's NHL.

Remember Minnesota Finnish agenda promises have reached the tenth ranked 19, and Erik Haula place in the Jere Sallinen.

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Are you telling me he DIDN'T load hard expectations? For some reason that phrase makes me think of Always Sunny.

I do like that he proudly displayed a list though.

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"The cream always rises to the top. And I’m about to show you the white, hot cream of an eighth-grade boy.”"

Personally, I'm happy the team not only has a conveyor belt, but it's in quotes too.

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The proudly displayed list also reminds me of a speeding ticket I got where it said on the back I had a right to a "trail"...I ALMOST brought it up when I went to the court date but shut my mouth and cut a deal with the state prosecutor guy instead.

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