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08-28-2010, 02:06 PM
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EDM rejected Souray for Hartnell trade

From ESPN insider so i have no link, since you have to be a member to see what's written.

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This according to sportscaster Kevin Karius, and backed up by the Edmonton Journal's Jim Matheson.
There was a deal in place for the Flyers to swap Scott Hartnell for Sheldon Souray (sometime last year). Hartnell had waived his no trade clause, but the deal was passed on by Edmonton.

I have no idea how legitimate the sources are since i live in the US. Is this old news? i'm not sure why they brought it up now. I have no stake in either of these teams, so i did not make this up.

EDIT: links: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...medium=twitter
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index....umors&Itemid=4


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Wait... Hartnell wanted to play in Edmonton?

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No one seems to know the timeframe of the deal though...this could have been well prior to Souray ever demanding a trade, therefore there was clearly no deal to be made...Also, it has been reported that there was NEVER a proposal of a 1-1 player swap, there were more pieces to the deal that we will prob not find out

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No one seems to know the timeframe of the deal though...this could have been well prior to Souray ever demanding a trade, therefore there was clearly no deal to be made...Also, it has been reported that there was NEVER a proposal of a 1-1 player swap, there were more pieces to the deal that we will prob not find out
there was no mention of other players being involved, so i figured it was a straight one for one swap (with the other pieces being insignificant).

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there was no mention of other players being involved, so i figured it was a straight one for one swap (with the other pieces being insignificant).
Well, like I said, it has came out from insiders from the Edmonton camp that there was never a 1-1 swap and that other pieces were involved in the deal...apparently a significant prospect/pick on our side

However, for all we know this proposal was near the start of the season, prior to any trade demands or injuries...and at that point we would have been crazy to even make a 1-1 swap for Hartnell

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there was no mention of other players being involved, so i figured it was a straight one for one swap (with the other pieces being insignificant).
Couple points to consider:

Philly was keen to take an oft injured player, and take on additional cap dollars?

Also, even if it was a one-for-one deal, Souray still held a NMC (till July 1st,) and could have quashed the deal (media in Edmonton stated he wanted to be closer to his kids in LA, and he would prefer not to go to the east.)

Something tells me this wasn't a one-for-one deal. I always find it interesting, that in the dog days of summer, that a media guy comes up with these tidbits. Personally, I'd pick a more realistic rumor. This one sounds like it came from Eklund.

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Per Dan Tencer's Twitter:

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Has been made clear to me tonight, by an excellent source, that the Hartnell/Souray deal was never 1-for-1 straight up...

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Per Dan Tencer's Twitter:
which side was adding to the deal? Souray was probably worth more at the time, but you said EDM added the prospect, right?

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Couple points to consider:

Philly was keen to take an oft injured player, and take on additional cap dollars?

Also, even if it was a one-for-one deal, Souray still held a NMC (till July 1st,) and could have quashed the deal (media in Edmonton stated he wanted to be closer to his kids in LA, and he would prefer not to go to the east.)

Something tells me this wasn't a one-for-one deal. I always find it interesting, that in the dog days of summer, that a media guy comes up with these tidbits. Personally, I'd pick a more realistic rumor. This one sounds like it came from Eklund.
Holmgren added a high paid defenseman to their 3rd defense pairing during this offseason, he clearly was looking at defensemen. And they didnt say that Souray blocked the deal, maybe it never got to him?

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What an odd rumor.

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Nope, can't be true. Remember, nobody wants to play in Edmonton.

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which side was adding to the deal? Souray was probably worth more at the time, but you said EDM added the prospect, right?
Well, if the deal was before injuries/trade demands I would have to assume Philly was adding...or else we rejected it because they didn't add enough

If it was anything post injury, we would have probably had to add quite a bit, which we weren't willing to do

Tambo has already said numerous times that there is no offers on the table right now and that he hasn't received anything to consider, so if it was something like MPS + Souray for Hartnell then obviously he didn't think twice about rejecting it very quickly

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hmmm, if hartnell wants to go to edmonton, maybe he would like long island.

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hmmm, if hartnell wants to go to edmonton, maybe he would like long island.
this could have been around the time John Stevens was fired, and Philly was struggling. his feelings could have changed after the playoff run.

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The rumor probably fails to mention the Oilers would have to throw in their first rounder(in all reality Edmonton's 2nd rounder which is like a real low first would make sense).

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I think Edmonton rejected it because they knew Hartnell would never willingly go to Edmonton. NTC's are a *****.

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Nope

Good players go to good teams, great players go to great teams...First task is becoming a good team, then a great team...build it through the draft, development, and trades, and they will come

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I think Edmonton rejected it because they knew Hartnell would never willingly go to Edmonton. NTC's are a *****.
There was a deal in place for the Flyers to swap Scott Hartnell for Sheldon Souray (sometime last year). Hartnell had waived his no trade clause, but the deal was passed on by Edmonton

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If true, massive mismanagement again by Edmonton.

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If true, massive mismanagement again by Edmonton.
We'll never know what else would have been included in the deal since it apparently wasn't a 1 for 1 swap.

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this is all old news from a couple days ago. come on ESPN "insider".

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This could, and I stress could, mean there was some truth the Carter/Hartnell drama. I mean he was willing to go Edmonton for a reason.

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