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The For Reals this time maybe Final Countdown (Kovy Khaos Part 17 + 2 + who knows)

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NHLPA is now Mike Gillis' Rocky Wirtz' and Jeff Vanderbeek's best friends. Bettman can decimate franchises if circumvention charges stick.

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I think the only way the NHLPA says okay to this is if they're totally incompetent. They can't possibly give up this kind of negotiating power to save three contracts. But, since the NHLPA is totally incompetent, it's anyone's ballgame.
This is brilliant on multiple levels, but I'll share just one that occurred to me:

Donald Fehr has always negotiated for the MLBPA from the perspective that a rising tide lifts all ships. In other words, he negotiated from the standpoint of protecting his best paid union members. The thinking being that the highest paid players in the sport set the economic standard, the norm and the payscale for the rest of the union.

In this situation, Bettman is essentially dividing the Union, pitting some of the highest paid, most secure players versus the rest of the NHLPA. Yes, as you suggest, it's only three players...but it's a clear line of demarcation. Either way, the Union will be selling out players...and I would not underestimate the repercussions either way.

First shot across the bow. Bettman welcomes Fehr on board.

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This is brilliant on multiple levels, but I'll share just one that occurred to me:

Donald Fehr has always negotiated for the MLBPA from the perspective that a rising tide lifts all ships. In other words, he negotiated from the standpoint of protecting his best paid union members. The thinking being that the highest paid players in the sport set the economic standard, the norm and the payscale for the rest of the union.

In this situation, Bettman is essentially dividing the Union, pitting some of the highest paid, most secure players versus the rest of the NHLPA. Yes, as you suggest, it's only three players...but it's a clear line of demarcation. Either way, the Union will be selling out players...and I would not underestimate the repercussions either way.

First shot across the bow. Bettman welcomes Fehr on board.
Well, part of the issue is the league can't just void them. We'd be going to arbitration again for each of the contracts before any penalties could be issued. And, since there's no system arbitrator, we'd be looking at a multi-month (I'd bet) fight over who would be adjudicating. So this would drag months into the season.

It'd be like having the NHL lock out three players.

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So we're in this one? Maybe one of mine will get the nod, haha.


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This whole thing smacks of a temper-tantrum. Bettman has realized he can't go after us without going after the others, so now he's going after everything. It's like a giant angry child lashing out in rage after realizing he's not getting his toys back. You wrote the ******* rules, Gary, live with them.
It's like the kid who throws a rager that trashes the house and mom and dad are around the corner. Nothing left but to push the blame onto your counterparts and hope no one notices. Crafty weasel that little ****er is.

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I know I am late to the party but I have been watching all the talk.

My question is if the PA rejects to the terms and the NHL declines the Kovy contract. Cant NJ just take it back to arbitration for another hearing. I mean we cleaned up the contract in the back end of the deal which was the biggest problem with the first contract. I think that even though this is the last case scenario for Kovy to sign with the Devils its still a good chance that we would win in arbitration. And if you look at Luongo and Hossa.....they have played on an accepted contract. How could the NHL win in a hearing against those guys.

So maybe, if what I am saying makes any sense, its best for the PA to disagree to the terms and see where the chips fall in each individual hearing cases.


Thanks to everyone for all the great info by the way. I have been on a roller coaster ride these past few weeks.

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1. That the cap hit on future multi-year contracts will not count any seasons that end with the player over 40 years of age. The cap hit would be calculated on the average of the salary up through age 40 only.

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i agree with this. it only makes sense

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this has loophole written all over it

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I know I am late to the party but I have been watching all the talk.

My question is if the PA rejects to the terms and the NHL declines the Kovy contract. Cant NJ just take it back to arbitration for another hearing. I mean we cleaned up the contract in the back end of the deal which was the biggest problem with the first contract. I think that even though this is the last case scenario for Kovy to sign with the Devils its still a good chance that we would win in arbitration. And if you look at Luongo and Hossa.....they have played on an accepted contract. How could the NHL win in a hearing against those guys.

So maybe, if what I am saying makes any sense, its best for the PA to disagree to the terms and see where the chips fall in each individual hearing cases.


Thanks to everyone for all the great info by the way. I have been on a roller coaster ride these past few weeks.
I don't think Kovy sits through another arbitration.....he is gone to the K if this one goes badly

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I know I am late to the party but I have been watching all the talk.

My question is if the PA rejects to the terms and the NHL declines the Kovy contract. Cant NJ just take it back to arbitration for another hearing. I mean we cleaned up the contract in the back end of the deal which was the biggest problem with the first contract. I think that even though this is the last case scenario for Kovy to sign with the Devils its still a good chance that we would win in arbitration. And if you look at Luongo and Hossa.....they have played on an accepted contract. How could the NHL win in a hearing against those guys.

So maybe, if what I am saying makes any sense, its best for the PA to disagree to the terms and see where the chips fall in each individual hearing cases.


Thanks to everyone for all the great info by the way. I have been on a roller coaster ride these past few weeks.
Yes, the NHLPA would almost certainly take the NHL back to arbitration given the circumstances. But we'd be looking at a long, drawn out fight over selecting the arbitrator.

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I know I am late to the party but I have been watching all the talk.

My question is if the PA rejects to the terms and the NHL declines the Kovy contract. Cant NJ just take it back to arbitration for another hearing. I mean we cleaned up the contract in the back end of the deal which was the biggest problem with the first contract. I think that even though this is the last case scenario for Kovy to sign with the Devils its still a good chance that we would win in arbitration. And if you look at Luongo and Hossa.....they have played on an accepted contract. How could the NHL win in a hearing against those guys.

So maybe, if what I am saying makes any sense, its best for the PA to disagree to the terms and see where the chips fall in each individual hearing cases.


Thanks to everyone for all the great info by the way. I have been on a roller coaster ride these past few weeks.
Luongo's contract is new. It was a re-upping done during the season. He hasn't gotten paid on it yet.

Yes, I guess they could go back to arbitration but it doesn't make any sense to do so. You either have to face a league puppet, or wait possibly months, in order for the PA to screw up and find another league puppet.

I assume Kovalchuk will take a 2 or 3 year vacation if this doesn't get settled in his favor.

Luongo has no such luck.

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I don't think Kovy sits through another arbitration.....he is gone to the K if this one goes badly
Kovy may not have a choice. Bettman dropped the gauntlet, and if the NHLPA is going to fight them they're going to go all the way on it. He signed the contract, he may well be stuck with it.

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Does the KHL have an arbitrator?

Hell are they even allowed to have unions in Russia?

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I think the only way the NHLPA says okay to this is if they're totally incompetent. They can't possibly give up this kind of negotiating power to save three contracts. But, since the NHLPA is totally incompetent, it's anyone's ballgame.
i dont think so. the cba expires in 2 years, i think they would only be giving up some leverage for those 2 years

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Well....you guys did win 1 battle today. The 1 biggest agument you had was that if the Hossa deal stood then the new Kovy deal should. Well it looks like those 2 deals are now grouped together.....your not being singled out anymore.

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Well....you guys did win 1 battle today. The 1 biggest agument you had was that if the Hossa deal stood then the new Kovy deal should. Well it looks like those 2 deals are now grouped together.....your not being singled out anymore.
Yeah, that's nice at least. I still think the league is being a ***** about this though.

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There is no transfer agreement so Kovalchuk could just go sign in Russia while this is being disputed.

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There is no transfer agreement so Kovalchuk could just go sign in Russia while this is being disputed.
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I have a feeling that if this Friday deadline gets extended again, Kovalchuk may very well end up in the KHL.


Yeah great, so we won't have him for this season, and he'll be back in time for the lockout

This really can't bode well with Kovy, he's gotta be ****ed in the head right now with all these developments. Been two months since he thought he was done and he's a "Devil for life" and it's been nothing but ******** ever since. I just hope this lights a fire under his ass and he sees this to the end.

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