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09-03-2010, 03:11 AM
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The Gretzky Hunters

who is the most recent player to break an NHL record set by the great one?

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09-03-2010, 03:37 AM
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October '06? Although it would be a team record, and not an NHL one:

"Smyth scored three third-period goals in a span of 2:01 -- two on the power play, another when the teams were at even strength -- to lead the Oilers to a 6-4 victory Thursday night at Rexall Place.

Smyth now holds the Oilers team record for the fastest three goals scored, moving past Wayne Gretzky, who took 2:18 to score a third-period hat trick on Feb. 18, 1981."

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09-03-2010, 04:02 AM
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Tavares beat Gretzkys OHL record for most goals as a 16 year old in '07 with 72 goals.

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09-03-2010, 05:03 AM
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Did Gretzky hold the most goals in a 4 game playoff series? If so Franzen obliterated that one in '08 vs Colorado.

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Mike Richards: most goals when down by two men for a career. (3)

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09-04-2010, 02:38 AM
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Did Gretzky hold the most goals in a 4 game playoff series? If so Franzen obliterated that one in '08 vs Colorado.
I believe that one was Howe's.

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09-04-2010, 03:25 AM
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I believe that one was Howe's.
He broke Howe's single series Red Wings record, which Gordie set in a 7 game series.

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09-04-2010, 04:40 AM
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Since his retirement he has lost 2 of his official NHL records:

- Most regular season overtime assists (passed by Lidström, Messier and Oates)

- Most all-star game assists (passed by Bourque, Messier and Sakic)

But he has also got one back:

- Highest regular season PPG (from Lemieux)

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09-04-2010, 05:53 PM
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Since his retirement he has lost 2 of his official NHL records:

- Most regular season overtime assists (passed by Lidström, Messier and Oates)

- Most all-star game assists (passed by Bourque, Messier and Sakic)

But he has also got one back:

- Highest regular season PPG (from Lemieux)
Gretzky also has a ton of unofficial NHL records, according to Wikipedia. Scanning them over, many of these probably should be offical records. Some of the omissions are very strange indeed.

For example, he has the record for most 40+ goal seasons, is tied with Bossy for most 50+ goal season, and has the record for most 60+ goal seasons. However, there are no records for 70+, 80+, or 90+ all of which would be Wayne's. I'm not sure why the NHL would just randomly cut off their official record keeping at 60+ goals, but not go beyond it, since several people have scored 70+ goals.

There are a bunch of other unoffical records from looking at that page which equally make no sense, almost like the NHL just didn't feel like writting more stuff down in the record books.

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09-04-2010, 09:24 PM
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I'm not sure but didn't Danny Briere tie his record for most points in a stanley cup final series?

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Actually, Wayne's got some pretty good company for goals on ice against!

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...st_career.html

Didn't Gretzky have the record for most total points by a player who was still a teenager (unofficial) until Sid came along. Also, wasn't he the youngest player to win a scoring title, tied with Harvey Jackson, until Sid showed up!

Actually, Sid has probably stolen a lot of "youngest ever" records from Gretzky and other players!

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09-04-2010, 10:21 PM
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Actually, Wayne's got some pretty good company for goals on ice against!

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...st_career.html

Didn't Gretzky have the record for most total points by a player who was still a teenager (unofficial) until Sid came along. Also, wasn't he the youngest player to win a scoring title, tied with Harvey Jackson, until Sid showed up!

Actually, Sid has probably stolen a lot of "youngest ever" records from Gretzky and other players!
Look at Nick Lidstrom. He's been on the ice for just over 1 goal a game in his career. What a chump.

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I'm not sure but didn't Danny Briere tie his record for most points in a stanley cup final series?
close, but 1p away


gretzky had 13p (3g, 10a) in 5 games vs boston in '88 finals. game 4 (tied 3-3) was suspended b/c the arena's electricity failed.

briere had 12p (3g, 9a) in 6 games vs chicago in 2010.

howe had 12p (5g, 7a) in 7 games vs montreal in '55.

lemieux had 12p (5g, 7a) in 5 games (missed game 3) vs minnesota in '91.

cournoyer (6g, 6a) and lemaire (3g, 9a) had 12p in 6 games vs chicago in the '73 finals.

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09-05-2010, 02:54 AM
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close, but 1p away


gretzky had 13p (3g, 10a) in 5 games vs boston in '88 finals. game 4 (tied 3-3) was suspended b/c the arena's electricity failed.

briere had 12p (3g, 9a) in 6 games vs chicago in 2010.

howe had 12p (5g, 7a) in 7 games vs montreal in '55.

lemieux had 12p (5g, 7a) in 5 games (missed game 3) vs minnesota in '91.

cournoyer (6g, 6a) and lemaire (3g, 9a) had 12p in 6 games vs chicago in the '73 finals.
Records like this one will eventually be broken. As you listed here, a lot of others have come close to it. His 10 assists in that series is also a record (most assists in a cup finals), and that could last a while. But even it could fall some day. Unlike say, 50 in 39, 163 assists, 92 goals, 215 pts, 1.18 GPG average for single season, etc.

Some of Gretzky's records are pretty crazy. But some are just god-like. I have a hard time beating some of them on a video game.

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Records like this one will eventually be broken. As you listed here, a lot of others have come close to it. His 10 assists in that series is also a record (most assists in a cup finals), and that could last a while. But even it could fall some day. Unlike say, 50 in 39, 163 assists, 92 goals, 215 pts, 1.18 GPG average for single season, etc.

Some of Gretzky's records are pretty crazy. But some are just god-like. I have a hard time beating some of them on a video game.
i think it was hockey outsider who posted something from an old newspaper article about nels stewart's career scoring records.

the writer thought stewart's record for goals would never be broken (324g). but maurice richard broke it not so long afterwards. stewart's career points record (515p) was broken in the '40s.

if the season becomes longer, or the nets become bigger, or some other things (cybernetic body parts, nanomachines that greatly boost athletic performance, genetic engineering, etc), all of gretzky's records could be smashed just as stewart's were.

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i think it was hockey outsider who posted something from an old newspaper article about nels stewart's career scoring records.

the writer thought stewart's record for goals would never be broken (324g). but maurice richard broke it not so long afterwards. stewart's career points record (515p) was broken in the '40s.

if the season becomes longer, or the nets become bigger, or some other things (cybernetic body parts, nanomachines that greatly boost athletic performance, genetic engineering, etc), all of gretzky's records could be smashed just as stewart's were.
Maybe but that's still a long ways off imo.
I don't see a single player in the league, about to play in the league or in Junior that looks legitimately even remotely capable of doing it.
Maybe in another 5, 10, 15 or 20 years, we can wait and hope.

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Gretzky also has a ton of unofficial NHL records, according to Wikipedia. Scanning them over, many of these probably should be offical records. Some of the omissions are very strange indeed.

For example, he has the record for most 40+ goal seasons, is tied with Bossy for most 50+ goal season, and has the record for most 60+ goal seasons. However, there are no records for 70+, 80+, or 90+ all of which would be Wayne's. I'm not sure why the NHL would just randomly cut off their official record keeping at 60+ goals, but not go beyond it, since several people have scored 70+ goals.

There are a bunch of other unoffical records from looking at that page which equally make no sense, almost like the NHL just didn't feel like writting more stuff down in the record books.
Ovechkin actually has a chance to catch up to Gretzky and Bossy for most 50+ goal seasons. It will be difficult but if he does that in this scoring environment it would really be something.

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09-05-2010, 04:23 PM
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Maybe but that's still a long ways off imo.
I don't see a single player in the league, about to play in the league or in Junior that looks legitimately even remotely capable of doing it.
Maybe in another 5, 10, 15 or 20 years, we can wait and hope.
if the net becomes 50% larger, to create more scoring, it would probably be easy for all of gretzky's scoring records to be broken.

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Since his retirement he has lost 2 of his official NHL records:

- Most regular season overtime assists (passed by Lidström, Messier and Oates)
Interesting. Where can I find NHL regular season overtime stats?

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if the net becomes 50% larger, to create more scoring, it would probably be easy for all of gretzky's scoring records to be broken.

C'mon, like that's actually going to happen.
Might as well call it Hoccer or Sockey while you're at it too, hell, why don't we just make goalies play with regular sticks or even better, take their sticks away all together

Either way, there's plenty of things they can do first to improve scoring before doing something as silly as making the nets bigger.
-Allow players to score in any way possible short of highsticking or actually grabbing the puck and throwing it in the net. Allow them to kick it in, allow them to bat it in with their hand, i don't care, still better than making the nets bigger imo.


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C'mon, like that's actually going to happen.
Might as well call it Hoccer or Sockey while you're at it too, hell, why don't we just make goalies play with regular sticks or even better, take their sticks away all together
Maybe we should just cut to the chase and call it Sumockey NOW since the 6'3 110 lb goalies are now bigger than Sumo Wrestlers!

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Maybe we should just cut to the chase and call it Sumockey NOW since the 6'3 110 lb goalies are now bigger than Sumo Wrestlers!
Haha, 10 years ago I would of agreed, not so much now and this coming season goalies are getting even smaller.
We'll see.
Besides, goaltending is only a part of it. The evolution of defensive zone coverage plays a part as well imo.
The days of man on man coverage are long gone, replaced by elaborate zone scheme combination's and collapsing points.


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Haha, 10 years ago I would of agreed, not so much now and this coming season goalies are getting even smaller.
We'll see.
Besides, goaltending is only a part of it. The evolution of defensive zone coverage plays a part as well imo.
The days of man on man coverage are long gone, replaced by elaborate zone scheme combination's and collapsing points.
Not only that, but with the armor guys have for padding, right from the start of the season, not just playoffs, guys are expected to block shots. For a number of reasons I don't think that is a good thing, but it's most definitely a factor as well.

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