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06-02-2004, 05:41 PM
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Yet another Mock Draft

Here's yet another mock draft. I based it on team's needs and I didn't make any trades. Some picks are pretty obvious, other have some detail.

1. Washington - Alexander Ovechkin (LW)
2. Pittsburg- Evgeni Malkin (C)
3. Chicago- Cam Barker (D)

4. Columbus- Rostislav Olesz (C/RW)
The Jackets need a centerman to compliment Zherdev and Nash. There aren't any defensemen available to justify passing on Olesz. He's the concensus 2nd best centerman available after Malkin.

5. Phoenix- Lauri Tukonen (LW)
The Yotes have no glaring need and no glaring weakness. Basically they need everything and Tukonen is the next best player available.

6. NYR- Andrew Ladd (LW)
A solid pick for the Rangers. They could use a defenseman, but their firesale at the deadline left them thin up front. Ladd is big and has offensive upside.

7. Florida- Drew Stafford (RW)
Again, a solid pick. He doesn't have the skill of Horton or Stewart, but he's a good character guy and a hard worker.

8. Carolina- Alexandre Picard (LW)
Good compliment for Staal. Goaltending is not an issue with Ward in the fold. Again they could use a defensman, but plently will be there in the 2nd round.

9. Anaheim- Al Montoya (G)

10. Atlanta- Robbie Schremp (C)
They need a 2nd line center and Schremp fits the bill.

11. LA- Marek Schwartz (G)
Loaded with forwards and defensemen. They could go for a forward, but I suspect Brown, Kanko, Tambellini and company will slot in to replace the likes of Allison and Deadmarsh. Beyond Huet and Cechmanek they don't have much in the way of goaltending prospects (Adam Hauser, a former Oiler prospect, is doing well in the minors but still has a lot to prove).

12. Minnesota- A.J. Thelen (D)
Rated the no.11 NA skater this pick comes as a bit of a suprise. He's a Minnesota native and will still be in college for a couple years. They don't have a legitimate skilled defenseman.

13. Buffalo- Ladislav Smid (D)
Tough call between Smid, Valabik and Meszaros, but the Sabres need some size on the back end. Smid is more refined and has better puck moving skills. He's closer to being an NHL defenseman than Valabik so he Sabres play it safe.

14. Edmonton - Alexander Radulov (RW)
A skilled, feisty winger. He skates well and has good hands. The biggest plus with Radulov is that he's a hard worker and could fill a second line roll in a few years.

15. Nashville- Kyle Chipchura (C)
16. NYI- Wojtek Wolski (LW)
17. St. Louis- Devan Dubnyk (G)
18. Montreal- Bruce Graham (C)
19. Dallas- Boris Valabik (D)
20. Colorado- Andrej Meszaros (D)
21. NJ- David Bolland (C)
22. Ottawa- Mike Green (D)
23. NYR- Enver Lisin (RW)
24. Edmonton- Lauri Korpikoski (LW)
25. Vancouver- Roman Voleshenko (LW)
26. Washington- Jeff Shultz (D)
27. SJ- Petteri Nokelainen (C)
28. TB- Cory Schneider (G)
29. Washington- Travis Zajac (C)
30. Calgary- Viktor Alexanderov (RW)

Note that the order presumes Calgary winning the Stanley Cup (shudder).

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06-02-2004, 10:45 PM
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I always feel bad when I want to give feedback on someone else's mock, because like Guy Flaming, I don't profess to know what every NHL team is going to do, but I applaud everyone that makes an attempt.

This is fairly close to the vest, similar players to the THN list of top players.

Only two insights make me think ill of the order.

Chicago taking Barker...Babchuk, Seabrook, Vandemeer, Barinka, Keith, Wisniewski, Kukkonen are all in their system. Babchuk, Seabrook and Wisniewski all look like keepers and a couple of the others could be too. Chicago needs some high end skill up front with the loss of Zhamnov and the oft injured Daze and the coach's whipping boy Arnason as the three skilled guys. Unless Radulov, Vorobiev or Yakoubov develop these guys are in trouble up front. I see them going with a F in the first round and Barker landing in Columbus' lap(which I am sure they would be happy.)

Anaheim taking Montoya...with the relative ages of Giguere, Gerber and Bryzgalov they are pretty set in goal. I would expect that they might look for a defenseman. This is the first time I have said it, but they need a big physical defenesman in the system. I don't mind Valabik, but I really think that it would be off the charts to see him go at number 9....but I see it as possible. The other blueliners available at this point like Smid, Meszaros, Thelen are all more skill than physical. If that is the case in the minds of the Ducks (Valabik being too far a stretch at 9) then expect a BPA scenerio Stafford, Schremp, or what have you.

Good effort Hemsky4PM....

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Nice job Hemsky4PM. Interesting read. I'm not sure if I like the Oilers in that draft, taking two Europeans long-shots (I think when you've got two picks, you have to take at least one guy who looks like he will be an NHL'er no problem

If my Canucks selected Voloshenko I would be very angry! That guy is just too slow!

I'm not sure you if you just forgot him or left him off on purpose, but I thought it was a little peculiar that Wes O'Neill did not make your list.

Oh well, overall, nice job. Always fun to read these.

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Nice job Hemsky4PM. Interesting read. I'm not sure if I like the Oilers in that draft, taking two Europeans long-shots (I think when you've got two picks, you have to take at least one guy who looks like he will be an NHL'er no problem
Agreed. Much like the Bonsignore/Smyth picks from back in the day. Rolling the dice and losing on two first round picks in one year could set a franchise back years. If we take the risky Radulov at #14, I'm hoping for a safer pick at #25.

IMO, this was the Oilers Mock Draft Teams (Lowetide, George Bachul, Seachd) biggest success at the HF Board's Annual Mock Draft.

When they ended up with Radulov at #15 (after robbing Slats blind), they find the perfect pick to compliment Radulov with Bolland. A much safer bet, who some have compared to Mike Fisher.

I think KLo will be much more careful with his two picks than to take a shot in the dark with BOTH of them.

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disagree boondock, because of EDM's prospect depth I kind of like the idea of them playing it high risk here, relatively speaking.

If both bust it stinks, but isn't crippling, and if both are great picks, EDM sits pretty.

I wouldn't be looking to pick 2 risky guys just to do it, but I guess what I'm saying is if I were Lowe I wouldn't be afraid to pick a risky guy at 24/25 just because they had already picked a risky guy at 14.

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I can see Chicago taking a forward...but...Barker is a legitmate offensive defenseman which the Hawks could use. The players you mentioned are good prospects but none has the offensive upside of Barker. I disagree that their forward depth is weak. Ruutu, Arnason, Calder and Bell form a strong core. Judging by the pending glut of free agents I think the Hawks will look to signing some 30 something guys to bridge the gap for their younger players. Who knows what their thinking is though.

As for the Ducks and Montoya, I agree. If I had to pick the one place a trade would occur I'd say it will be in the 5(Pho) through 9 (Ana) slots as certain teams look for a goaltending prospect (either Marek or Schwartz). The teams most desperate for a goaltending prospect are St. Louis (who I have taking Dubnyk), Vancouver and LA. LA knows they will get Schwartz or Montoya at 11. St. Louis knows they can get Dubnyk. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Canucks package their pick (25th) and pehaps Bouck, King or Reid to one of the teams in the 5-9 slots in an attempt to land Montoya. Depends on how high they are on Auld.

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disagree boondock, because of EDM's prospect depth I kind of like the idea of them playing it high risk here, relatively speaking.

If both bust it stinks, but isn't crippling, and if both are great picks, EDM sits pretty.

I wouldn't be looking to pick 2 risky guys just to do it, but I guess what I'm saying is if I were Lowe I wouldn't be afraid to pick a risky guy at 24/25 just because they had already picked a risky guy at 14.
Gotta go with Boondock here, but I agree with everyone's idea of taking at least one home run player in the 1st round. Outside the top 5, I don't see any player that is a sure fire NHLer...if we're taking a risk anyways, we might as well take a high risk high reward type of player with our first pick. Like you said, if he doesn't pan out, no huge loss here. But if he turns out to be a top end player, it could take us to the next level.

But for our second 1st rounder, I'd like them to take a safer player so we won't waste a draft. At least we'd have something to show for the draft or else we'll waste a year of prospects. Ideally, we'll have one or two prospects ready to take the jump to the NHL per year, so we can't really have a year void of that. We could reverse it and take a safe player with our's and a high risk with Philly's, but both ways, I'd like to see Lowe and co. try to hit a home run with one of our picks and take a safer one with the other.


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I would bet good money on this - we are not picking a Russian in the first round - so Radulov is out.

The more I look at this draft - the less I like the players available between #3 and about #15. In a year like last year many of these guys would be late first or second rounders. So it's a draft that's terribly weak in elite-level talent after the top 2 - but actually pretty strong in terms of second round talent.

I would not be too bummed getting Chipchura or Thelen at #14 and Dubnyk with the #25. But if we are left with a choice of Green, Smid, Wolski or Valabik at #14 - then I can really see us trading down. We need elite talent - not more journeymen or long-shots. A great opportunity may, however, crop up if Montoya is still there at #14 and another team REALLY wants him. We could probably package Montoya, a prospect like Rita or Smith for something pretty good.

I used to think trade up or trade down from #14 – but now I think we should trade down or trade out depending on who is available.

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10. Atlanta- Robbie Schremp (C)
They need a 2nd line center and Schremp fits the bill.
Interesting, I hope that Thelen will be picked by the Thrashers, if he's still around at this time. But getting Schremp would finally give Ilya a center and the Thrashers get even more offensive.


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Outside the top 5, I don't see any player that is a sure fire NHLer...
Actually, there is only one player I would put a lot of money on out of this draft to have a 1000 game NHL career...

Chipchura.

He's the most guaranteed NHLer out of the lot (even more so than Ovechin or Malkin, simply because of the whole transfer issues). Everyone else has one knock against them, whether it's the position (i.e. defense and goaltending is rather unpredictable), or where they are from (i.e. Russia), or there is a serious flaw in their game (i.e. defensive responsibility, speed, etc...).

Chipchura is the guy who's only knock is his top end potential, but he's as close as anyone has ever been in a draft to being a sure-fire NHL player.

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I'd try to see how high the 14th and Rita/Chimera could move them. Probably not very far, but every spot counts, because you only need to move up a couple before you're setting yourself up for a possible Picard/Schremp/Stafford/Thelen.

As for a safe pick at 24/25, I don't think there're a whole lot of safer ones than Johan Fransson out there. I'd love to get him with Philly's pick.

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Bolland would be an absolute steal if he's there at 24/25. Heck if the Oilers can't move up or can't get a guy they like, I'd love to see them trade down to about #20 and pick Bolland there.

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I'm starting to agree that we won't take Radulov. Look at the Mikhnov situation. We probably should grab a NA player and according to my draft Chipchura will still be there. I agree that he's got virtually no star power, but he'll be a Jarrett Stoll type guy who is just a strong overall player.

I don't think Korpikoski is as risky as some seem to be indicating...but...if we took Chipchura at 14 we could probably move up with the 25th pick and a player (Izzy, Chimera, Pisani, Rita) and move up to the Isles (16) or Montreal's(18) spot and nab another good NA forward like Graham or Bolland.

I'm still of the opinion that we need to go for an offensive player with one of our picks. RW is certainly the area of concern if you ask me. Hemsky and Dvorak are good, but Pisani and Laraque represent the end of the line in terms of depth at the RW position. Center is also a concern. Let's say we sign Nedved, he's still 32 and would likely only be a 3 year fix. Lowe could just load up with youth at that position (we already have Pouliot and Niinimaki) and stack the odds in his favour that someone becomes a legit no.1 NHL center.

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Anaheim taking Montoya...with the relative ages of Giguere, Gerber and Bryzgalov they are pretty set in goal. I would expect that they might look for a defenseman. This is the first time I have said it, but they need a big physical defenesman in the system. I don't mind Valabik, but I really think that it would be off the charts to see him go at number 9....but I see it as possible. The other blueliners available at this point like Smid, Meszaros, Thelen are all more skill than physical. If that is the case in the minds of the Ducks (Valabik being too far a stretch at 9) then expect a BPA scenerio Stafford, Schremp, or what have you.
I've thought about this a little bit as well. What do you think the chances of ANA trading down 4-5 spots are? I could see the Oil wanting to be in around 9 where they might nab Stafford or someone similar, but doubt Murray and Lowe will be dealing anytime soon :-)

Thoughts on the Ducks trading down?

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I might be able to shed light on this. My view is that top priority is a defenseman with that #9 pick (probably Thelen). But I think even if a defenseman isn't available at that stage, Anaheim would still want a forward (preferably a centre) with size and skill. Getzlaf seems to be more and more likely to break into the NHL as a right-winger and what Anaheim needs to do is develop a player who can put Rucchin as a third-liner and eventually replace Fedorov.
As for a netminder, Anaheim does need to pick up one in the draft, especially if Martin Gerber is traded (as expected) over the course of the off-season. However, I can't see them using their first-rounder on a goaltender when there are more pressing needs to be addressed first. I would say either 3rd or 4th round will produce a goalie for Anaheim. (My personal choice is Jason Churchill).
I might be wrong (depending on how the organization views their own strengths and weaknesses), but even if there isn't a defenseman available at the #9 spot, there should still be plenty of other players available that would be needed.
As mentioned, a trade with the Oilers would probably be unlikely. Also, Anaheim doesn't have a history of trading their first round pick, even in a swapping situation. A trade may happen, but I would say it's more likely Anaheim will fill another one of their needs at the #9 position.

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Nice mock draft Hemsly. I definately agree with the oilers picking Korpikoski with the 24th pick. If he isn't available, then I would either go with Korpikoski's linemate Nokelainen, Voloshenko, or a player who falls from their projected ranking.

As for the first pick, I think Radulov isn't a bad choice, although it is kind of a crapshoot. If Meszaros fell to our pick, I would probably pick him. If not, Radulov, Dubnyk (who we might draft simply because he is a goalie) or Wolski would be whom I would draft.

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Actually, there is only one player I would put a lot of money on out of this draft to have a 1000 game NHL career...

Chipchura.

He's the most guaranteed NHLer out of the lot (even more so than Ovechin or Malkin, simply because of the whole transfer issues). Everyone else has one knock against them, whether it's the position (i.e. defense and goaltending is rather unpredictable), or where they are from (i.e. Russia), or there is a serious flaw in their game (i.e. defensive responsibility, speed, etc...).

Chipchura is the guy who's only knock is his top end potential, but he's as close as anyone has ever been in a draft to being a sure-fire NHL player.
Agreed. If the oilers somehow get both chipchura and bolland in the first round, I'll be ecstatic. They may not light up the world, but their hard working, defensively responsible, good picks who have a large chance of making it. I don't view them as safety picks. I view them as smart picks. If you look at the odds (1 out of 4 first rounders will step on an NHL rink) it just makes sense imo.

What are the chances Chipchura falls to us at 14?

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If THN rankings are how the draft falls both Chipchura and Picard will be available at #14. Picard at #16 and Chipchuara at #18.

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If THN rankings are how the draft falls both Chipchura and Picard will be available at #14. Picard at #16 and Chipchuara at #18.
If this scenario becomes reality, then there should be No question in anyones mind at the Oiler table who's being chosen (Picard). Otherwise, I would consider Chipchura a "safe" choice, a known quantity without a bottomless drop-off or limitless potential. Not a bad choice.

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OK I'll join the Chipchura chorus....

There are only 2 elite talents in this draft (Ovechkin and Malkin) and after that there is a grey sea stretching out to the second round. Sure some guys are rated higher than others now – but this may not mean much in a couple of years after they develop a bit more.

Chipchura is as safe a pick as you will get and the kid may actually bust out next year. I heard he played through injuries this past year (anyone confirm that???) so that may have slowed him some from an offensive point of view. Someone will look good next year having taken this kid – and I hope it is us.

Picard would also be good but I figure he is gone by the time our pick roles around. Maybe we could move up to the Atlanta slot by giving them the Philly 3rd rounder we own or giving them a player like Chimera. I doubt that LA, Minny or Anaheim will help us out – and we don’t want to help them either.

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For those suggesting the Oilers take a defenseman: Brewer, Semenov, Bergeron, Woywitka, Lynch and Matt Greene. Not a bad top six 3 years from now.

I seriously doubt Picard will be around at no.14. We could move up to take him or Stafford. Chipchura should still be around at 14.

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For those suggesting the Oilers take a defenseman: Brewer, Semenov, Bergeron, Woywitka, Lynch and Matt Greene. Not a bad top six 3 years from now.

I seriously doubt Picard will be around at no.14. We could move up to take him or Stafford. Chipchura should still be around at 14.
Yeah I would not take a dman at #14 either unless Thelen was available (and I doubt that he will be). Maybe look at Fransson with #25 if he is still there - but potential PP QBs are the only kind of dmen we should be looking at early.

I have no problem at all using one of our first round picks, extra wingers like Rita, Chimera, Izzy or a dman like Smith to address a team weakness - but I don't really see the value in moving up in this year's draft. There is not a lot of difference between #3 and #15 IMHO. Sure some guys have a bit more raw talent - but all of them are second tier talents that have deficiencies (eg size, speed, attitide, goal scoring ceiling). This is not like 2002 where you had 4 clearly elite players and a team (Tampa) who was willing to deal.

So none of the #3-#14 players will likely address our real need which is elite talent at all positions. I say we need to put a serious package together that will get us a big-time player - someone like Havlat for example. That kind of deal would make a real difference to this team - while moving up a few spots to pick Picard instead of Chipchura will do little really. The player we need could be at almost any position (goalie, PP QB dman, sniping RW, bigger center) but he must be an elite talent. We have MORE than enough solid complimentary players - this team needs game-breakers - and we have the poker chips to get one.

Make it so KLowe!

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For those suggesting the Oilers take a defenseman: Brewer, Semenov, Bergeron, Woywitka, Lynch and Matt Greene. Not a bad top six 3 years from now.
What happens when 3 years from now 2 of those guys are busts, 2 have been traded away, and only 2 are left?

There's no way of knowing what the future holds, if you have a D at the top of your list there is no reason to not take him just because it SEEMS like the future D looks good, at the moment.

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I'm also a Chipchura fan, I think his offence is underrated, and he can perhaps turn into a better player than most expect, while most (probably not all) of the leadership attributes he's listed as having now.

You do run into and interesting situation though, if you like him a bunch and peg him as a 3rd liner, because all of a sudden you're paying a good chunk of change for a raw player, 3rd line upside.

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Yeah I would not take a dman at #14 either unless Thelen was available (and I doubt that he will be). Maybe look at Fransson with #25 if he is still there - but potential PP QBs are the only kind of dmen we should be looking at early.
Meszaros? Smid?

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