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Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD
John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
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Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD
John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
MAIN CARD
Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD
John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
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MAIN CARD Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD
John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
I don't see how Palhares wins this fight. Marquardt has much better standup and I see their BJJ canceling out
Paul Harris is MUCH better on the ground. It's really not close. His stand up gets better every time he fights. I think you'll see him wrestle with Nate and drag him down.
Paul Harris is MUCH better on the ground. It's really not close. His stand up gets better every time he fights. I think you'll see him wrestle with Nate and drag him down.
I think this is going to be a VERY close fight, but you are selling Nate way short here. Maybe if it was a straight BJJ match this would be true, but it's not.
Nate loses to the very best of the best at 185, that's it. Paul Harris does not fit into this category. Nate doesn't get "wrestled" down unless your name is Chael Sonnen, which again, Paul Harris is not. While Rousamir's standup has improved each time he fights, it's nowhere near Marquadt's level, IMO.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Mr. Paul Harris, he's got a real good shot in this fight. However, he's clearly the underdog and rightfully so.
Paul Harris is MUCH better on the ground. It's really not close. His stand up gets better every time he fights. I think you'll see him wrestle with Nate and drag him down.
I agree with the first part, but Nate's standup blows Palhares's out of the water--no matter how good it's gotten in the past year. I'd say Marquardt's likely the better better wrestler as well.
MAIN CARD Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau (a really tough fight to pick)
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
EDIT: I've changed my pick in the Co-Main to Oliveira. I had this as a pick'em (in my mind) when I made the pick, Efrain missing weight pushed me to Oliveira.
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Paul Harris is MUCH better on the ground. It's really not close. His stand up gets better every time he fights. I think you'll see him wrestle with Nate and drag him down.
I don't see him taking Nate down at all in this fight, Nate knows that Palhares is dangerous on the ground so I can see this fight mostly being a standup affair. I know you don't like Marquardt, but his standup is really good. How does Palhares get this fight to the ground? The only guy that I can remember out wrestling him was Sonnen.
Nate also manhandled Lister who on paper is a much more decorated grappler than Palhares.
The guy has some decent wrestling to go with his jiu jitsu, but yeah his striking stinks out loud so it might be hard for him to close distance on Marquardt without being punished. Thing is though, when a guy is really good at leg locks, it only takes one mistake and the next thing you know your knee is getting destroyed. I'm sure Marquardt will be aware of the danger but those are tricky things to defend and Palhares is pretty good at them. In the end though I think I'm still leaning towards Nate for this fight.
Speaking of Palhares, here's an article about how fricking poor he was growing up, it's really a good story.
"I never had the chance to study because I had to help my parents feed my younger brothers and sisters," Palhares said. "I started working when I was 10 years old. My family was big and poor, and we went through a lot of difficulties."
"Difficulties" might be a minor understatement. While the 30-year-old prefers not to focus too much on the past, he recalls a time when the only option for dinner was the feed mix intended for the plantation's pigs.
"We would get up at 4 a.m., have some breakfast, and take lunch to the fields, where we would work until 5 p.m. every day of the week," Palhares said. "There were times that money was so tight that we had to eat animal feed. We would eat the feed that we gave the pigs.
"It was a very bad time, and I don't like to talk about it."
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"I thank God because my life has changed completely," Palhares said. "I was able to buy a house for my mother, and I live well in Rio. My life gets better every day, and I am blessed to be able to do what I love.
"Outside fighting, I look forward to having children and raising a family, and it's comforting to know they will never have to go through what I went through as a child."
I don't see him taking Nate down at all in this fight, Nate knows that Palhares is dangerous on the ground so I can see this fight mostly being a standup affair. I know you don't like Marquardt, but his standup is really good. How does Palhares get this fight to the ground? The only guy that I can remember out wrestling him was Sonnen.
Nate also manhandled Lister who on paper is a much more decorated grappler than Palhares.
Paul Harris' wrestling is pretty good, but his brute force is where it's at. He will drag Marquardt to the ground and rip his leg off.
I think this is going to be a VERY close fight, but you are selling Nate way short here. Maybe if it was a straight BJJ match this would be true, but it's not.
Nate loses to the very best of the best at 185, that's it. Paul Harris does not fit into this category. Nate doesn't get "wrestled" down unless your name is Chael Sonnen, which again, Paul Harris is not. While Rousamir's standup has improved each time he fights, it's nowhere near Marquadt's level, IMO.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Mr. Paul Harris, he's got a real good shot in this fight. However, he's clearly the underdog and rightfully so.
Not selling Nate short at all. Paul Harris is worlds better when the fight is on the ground compared to Nate. It's just not close. The disparity isn't as bad as it is towards Nate for the stand-up (and he will pick apart Paul Harris for a while, for sure) but it's really not that close on the ground. If Paul Harris can get the fight to the ground, he will win.
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I agree with the first part, but Nate's standup blows Palhares's out of the water--no matter how good it's gotten in the past year. I'd say Marquardt's likely the better better wrestler as well.
That's clearly where he needs to watch himself. He can throw leg kicks all night without worrying about getting taken down (since that will only help him). Paul Harris needs to keep the distance and pick apart Nate's lead leg to take away his throwing power.
This is a pretty interesting question, but do you guys think that Paul Harris might be the strongest guy currently in Middleweight in terms of brute force?
This is a pretty interesting question, but do you guys think that Paul Harris might be the strongest guy currently in Middleweight in terms of brute force?
I doubt it, he just looks the part. That's probably more to do with genetics and his frame.
I mean, how do you define brute force? I'm sure there's plenty of middleweights who are physically stronger--in terms of numbers in a weight room. In terms of functional strength, there's no way he's the strongest.
I doubt it, he just looks the part. That's probably more to do with genetics and his frame.
I mean, how do you define brute force? I'm sure there's plenty of middleweights who are physically stronger--in terms of numbers in a weight room. In terms of functional strength, there's no way he's the strongest.
The way I've seen him ragdoll guys makes me wonder, though. The dude just seems like he's insanely strong. Probably from all those years of working on a farm, though.
My grandfather grew up similarly. Granted, in America and not Brazil. Dude was strong as a bull from working the fields. That lifestyle just builds natural strength.
MAIN CARD Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD
John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
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This is a pretty interesting question, but do you guys think that Paul Harris might be the strongest guy currently in Middleweight in terms of brute force?
Chael Sonnen is stronger than Palhares. I'm still not buying the argument that once this fight hits the ground its over for Nate. He's a well respected BJJ black belt who can hold his own
Palhares is strong with great submissions, however to think Nate's going to be a pushover is ridiculous. There's a decent chance this fight looks similar to Palhares/Henderson after 3 rounds. I'm picking Palhares in the upset, but it's somewhat wishful thinking because I'd love to see him fight Silva.
The way I've seen him ragdoll guys makes me wonder, though. The dude just seems like he's insanely strong. Probably from all those years of working on a farm, though.
Yeah, throwing Jeremy Horn around like that. Real impressive
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My grandfather grew up similarly. Granted, in America and not Brazil. Dude was strong as a bull from working the fields. That lifestyle just builds natural strength.
He's got plenty of strength, no doubt, but it's hard to rank these guys when we're so far removed from their day to day training. If I had to guess, I'd say some pure wrestlers are both functionally and in terms of brute force just as strong and probably stronger than Palhares.
Chael Sonnen is stronger than Palhares. I'm still not buying the argument that once this fight hits the ground its over for Nate. He's a well respected BJJ black belt who can hold his own
Well respected is nice and all, but it's just not close on the ground. Paul Harris will win if he gets the fight down.
MAIN CARD Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares - Nate's wrestling is good enough to keep him from getting taken down at will. He's been focussing a ton of his training on defending leg submissions, so even if it does get to the mat, I think he'll get up relatively easy without much threat. How's Palhares's chin? Nate will test it one way or another. Nate via TKO or decision Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
PRELIMINARY CARD John Gunderson vs. Yves Edwards
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Dave Branch vs. Tomasz Drwal Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
Outside of the main event, I have a tough time getting fired up for the rest of the card. Escudero's a bit overrated, though I think he'll still get the win. The Miller brothers (be it Jim and Dan, or Cole and Micah) are always gamers, so I'm sure both of those fights will be good, but neither has much bearing on the 155 division at this point.
