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09-10-2010, 07:55 AM
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Bruins don't do it.

Based on pure talent it's pretty close and with out a salary cap I could see this happening. But the fact of the matter is that 5.45 mill in cap space they will have free after the season is far to valuable to them.

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Is Cogs even signed? And if so how much is he signed for.

Bruins have to shed salary. If they add Cogs and Souray who gets traded/sent down when Sturm returns?

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Cogliano? We've got Paille, thank you. Souray would be a nice addition here. I'd do a deal around Souray for Thomas (some obvious pieces added on both sides to balance the cap). Souray is a tad overpaid, but his talent level is undeniable. (ala Thomas)

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09-10-2010, 11:17 AM
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The Bruins wouldn't touch this deal. Ryder's contract is up after year and Souray's runs for another.

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09-10-2010, 11:51 AM
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Cogs should demand 850k+, he's still one of the fastest skaters in the NHL and a new team could bring new opportunities same with Hunwick.

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09-10-2010, 12:17 PM
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Not saying Souray is garbage and there has been speculation that Chia & Julien would love him, but I think the Bruins need a d-man who can skate well and move the puck up ice quickly. The big shooting defense is taken care of with Chara & Boychuk. Souray's offense would be welcomed, but IMO, he's not the missing piece to the Bruins' defense corps.

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09-10-2010, 12:21 PM
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Thomas, sturm and a 2nd for souray, cogs and dubnyk

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Souray's a good player. But I think the Bruins need Hunwick's skating more than they need Souray's toughness and big shot.

Plus, Ryder is the Bruins get-out-of-jail-free card, so they can't trade him unless they're saving $3.5m in the deal.

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09-10-2010, 09:43 PM
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What about to Boston:Souray 2 yrs 5.4m to Edmonton:Ryder 1 year 4m and Ference 3 yrs 2.25m.So Souray costs the Bruins 10.8m over 2 yrs and Ryder and Ference cost the Oilers 10.75m over 3 years.

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09-10-2010, 10:46 PM
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Savard and 2012 1st Rounder for Hall

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Savard and 2012 1st Rounder for Hall
Oh God.

This thread is about to go to **** if it wasn't there already.

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no he doesn't.
Yeah, he does. There's a reason he cleared waivers. He would be lucky to garner a late-round draft pick.

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Savard and 2012 1st works in NHL 11, so it must work in real life. am i right or am i right???

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Love this logic.

It seems spotless with zero holes.

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Umm Cogs sucks at center, he's a winger.
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09-11-2010, 05:35 AM
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To
-Andrew Cogliano
-Sheldon Souray

To
-Matt Hunwick
-Michael Ryder

Bruins get an energy 3rd liner with tons of speed and still has potential to become a top 6 forward and a decent PPQB to play on the 2nd unit and giving some resting time for Chara.

Oilers get a good #4 D-man in Matt Hunwick, who will play alongside Smid and Michael Ryder who could have a good season and garnish some interest from teams during trade deadline day.

Sturm-Krejci-Horton
Wheeler-Bergeron-Cogliano
Lucic-Seguin-Recchi
Paille-Campbell-Thornton

Chara-Seidenberg
Souray-Staurt
Boychuk-Ference

Rask
Thomas

Penner-Gagner-Ryder
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
MPS-Brule-Eberle
Mac-Fraser-JFJ/Storts

Whitney-Gilbert
Smid-Hunwick
Foster-Vandemeer

Dubnyk
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talent/team need wise I love the deal... but salary cap doesnt work for Boston. Take Marco Sturm too and this could be quite a good trade for Boston. Marco Sturm will be on the LTIR for awhile this year... during that time insurance will pay his contract so even though he is injured it may not actually matter to Edmonton.

One problem is his NTC. I guess Boston needs to play hardball and explain to him that he goes to the minors unless he accepts a trade. I dont think Edmonton needs him, so maybe they promise to trade him at the deadline once he is healthy. Edmonton could end up getting an extra pick for whatever cash they have to pay him during the short time they need to keep him to prove he is healthy before they end up dealing him again.

I dont belive Boston is a good home for Cogliano... but he is pretty cheap. I bet he can be flipped somewhere along with Mark Stuart for a pretty decent draft pick coming back.

Once Boston has Souray and Chara gobbling up 24-25 mins each per night on the left side, whoever the 6th dman is will only have around 10 mins of icetime available and should be someone cheap like Alexandrov or McQuaid {maybe sign a very cheap ufa vet to backup as the 7th dman just in case the kids are shaky}

And as for the spot up front that Sturm/Ryder vacate... Boston signs Bill Gueirn to plug that hole until Joe Colborne is ready to take it over.

When the dust settles... Boston takes on 2 years of Souray's contract to become the new big shooter on their PP {freeing Chara up to screen the net} and short term signs Guerin and an UFA Dman like Shane Hindy for around 1.5 million hardcap hit {and bonuses for Guerin} between them at a total cost of around 7 million for the three incoming guys. Boston also gets whatever draft pick they can from moving Coligano/Stuart {maybe worth a first from a playoff bound team?}

Ryder/Sturm/Stuart/Hunwick move on for around 10.5 million. Essentially 4 players that probably dont factor into next year's plans at all.

The cap becomes managable this year {even if next year probably remains a bit messy}

As a Bruin fan, Id quite love to have Souray on board in a support role to allow him the luxery of being able to play some 'mean' hockey... fight some... take some penalties... and boom that puck.

Seidenberg can skate with Chara to give him someone with mobility to help him out... Souray can become the big guy to partner up with Boychuck in what should be a very nasty duo for teams to contend with... protect them by not putting them out against the other teams fast offensive line... and whatever icetime is left over gets handed to Ferrence and maybe Alexandrov if the kid can handle NHL action. It has the makings of a very good defense.

Up front Savard seems destined to play with Horton/Lucic in what is obviously a big powerful line... and might really have tremendous potential to produce a lot of goals.

Bergeron and Recchi are probably going to inherit Seguin to break into the league... this line's offensive upside rests on how quick Seguin is able to play at the NHL level. It might be quite a good line too.

If Guerin does sign as an UFA, then he joins Krecji/Wheeler on the third scoring line. I think Guerin could be quite a good influence on Wheeler and I am expecting Krecji to become Boston's best forward for the next couple years... letting these guys basically have third string checking against them sets up a lot of mismatches.

Maybe Guerin/Lucic would be flipped if Lucic struggles to find his offensive touch with Savard/Horton... or doesnt keep his physical play consistient.

To me his feels like a cup worthy lineup... so make the trade happen is my vote. And for whatever its worth I think the trade works for Edmonton too. Ryder takes Colgiano's spot in the top 9 and is playing for a contract... he might easily become tradeable at some point this season if he clicks with the kids and puts up a few goals. If not, he simply is money and costs less then Souray whom Edmonton doesnt want at all.

Cogliano is unhappy being locked out of top 6 opportunities... not a good idea to keep unhappy guys around a young team. Sturm will be better suited to be a third line guy if Edmonton decides to keep him. Sturm will probably be facing a big paycut on his next contract... or Edmonton decides to deal him... either way they are going to produce similar numbers this year/next and Sturm provides a much better attitude/defense/and vet leadership.

I dont like Hunwick... but he might do okay in Edmonton. Even if he doesnt, he is cheap and his contract runs out after this year.

Even if Edmonton ends up paying all of Ryder/Sturm/Hunwicks contracts... its less then 9 mill. They dont have cap issues. Souray/Cogliano are 6.5 and both are unhappy with their situation in Edmonton.

If I was Boston Id even be willing to throw in a conditional pick to Edmonton... say a second rounder if Edmonton finds it impossible to deal Ryder/Sturm and Souray manages to stay healthy for over 2/3 of the season and for the playoffs.

I would really like to see Souray end up in Boston if Boston could move Ryder and Sturm to create the room

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09-11-2010, 05:42 AM
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What about to Boston:Souray 2 yrs 5.4m to Edmonton:Ryder 1 year 4m and Ference 3 yrs 2.25m.So Souray costs the Bruins 10.8m over 2 yrs and Ryder and Ference cost the Oilers 10.75m over 3 years.
its a sound idea... Ference is from Edmonton and is exactly the type of leader a young team loves to have.

The problem is that Ryder needs to be dumped for zero contract returning in order to become cap complinant this year. Boston cant bring back Souray unless they can dump someone making at least 3 million with this deal.

The solution is to talk Marco Sturm into waiving his NTC... talking Edmonton into taking him despite his injury. His early season contract is all paid by insurance anyhow...

then theoletically he or ryder would be tradable later in the year since both are UFA and teams do rent guys like this later in the year.

With some luck Edmonton ends up with Ference as their future 5/6 vet dman {slightly overpaid} for the next 3 years and a couple draft picks... Boston ends up with Souray and an UFA Winger Signing like Guerin {takes an incentive contract to be affordable}

Sturm/Ryder hopefully for their sakes end up with teams that will sign them for between 1.5-2 million on extension contracts for next season.

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A #5/6 Dman and aging wingers is the last thing that the Oilers are looking for.

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A #5/6 Dman and aging wingers is the last thing that the Oilers are looking for.
There all expiring contracts. It allows the rookie to develop with some skill and veteran players around them. It's not the worse scenario for Edmonton.

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He doesn`t have negative value - he`s just not worth hsi $5.4M price tag.
The fact that he cleared waivers without anyone picking him up for free is the definition of negative value.

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Savard and 2012 1st Rounder for Hall
Penner and 2025 1st for Seguin.

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Penner and 2025 1st for Seguin.
Don't be ridiculous. Boston laughs. Switch the pick to a 2014 1st...

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Penner and 2025 1st for Seguin.
As long as the 2025 pick is a leafs pick!

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Penner and 2025 1st for Seguin.
Add a 2095 2nd going to BOS or no deal! LOL

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