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06-02-2004, 09:41 PM
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worst trading teams

who would you guys elect as the nhl franchise to have made the worst trades?

the other thread about draft choices reminded me at how bad the leafs usually are with young talent. but when i got to thinking about it, nobody can top the new york islanders.

i found some website (http://www.wowhockey.com/article1744.html) with an article about it, so luckily i didnt have to do any work myself:

What hockey fan doesn't think this "lost" team would be able to compete with the best teams in the NHL today.

T.Bertuzzi-J.Spezza-Z.Palffy
B.Isbister-O.Jokinen-D.Heatley*
T.Pyatt-R.Torres-B.Smolinski
J.Ruutu-T.Green-J.Green

E.Brewer-B.McCabe
Z.Chara-B.Berard
S.Lachance-D.Tarnstrom

R.Luongo
F.Potvin

Where did this "fantasy" team come from? This is the team that NY Islander GM Mike Milbury has traded away. Now he has got some good players back for this team, but which team would you rather see? The current Islander team or this one?

The "lost" team has everything a hockey teams needs. The best young center in the league. Some very good size up front with Bertuzzi (best Powerfoward in the league), Jokinen, Isbister, and Pyatt. Palffy is as skilled a player as you'll find, and Heatly and Torres as some skill as well. And some great young talent. A top four defense of - McCabe, Brewer, Chara and Berard is right up there with the top teams (not THE best, but it would be one of the top). And in net one of, if not THE, best young goalie in the league.

The team that could have been.

* - In 2000 the Islanders had the first over all pick, and traded Luongo to make room for DiPietro. Had they held onto Luongo one would only assume/hope they would have drafted Danny Heatley."


Not included in here were Redden, Straka, and Tommy Salo

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Ya it's the Islanders without a doubt in the last 10 years

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How the hell does Milbury still have a job?

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To be fair the Leafs have been pretty good lately. Everyone talks about the Modin trade but in all honesty, the Leafs needed some defense more than another forward. The bad end of that trade wasn't losing Modin, it was getting Cory Cross. McCauley was a sensible trade as well. The only awful trade the Leafs have made in recent memory was the trade to get Doug Gilmour back last year, and how were we to know he would only play five more minutes in the NHL at that point.

Of course, the Leafs have a long history of crappy trades, so it makes sense that people would say so.

But let's focus on how bad the Islanders are!

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The Ducks with the goat were a fairly bad trading team. He traded away Leopold, and though it brought Carney in, he probably could've kept Jordan and traded for Carney some other way.

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The Ducks with the goat were a fairly bad trading team. He traded away Leopold, and though it brought Carney in, he probably could've kept Jordan and traded for Carney some other way.
But think of it this way. You got Giguere for a 2nd from Cal. And got a 2nd from Cal for Leopold. So basically you got Giggy for Leo. Not a bad deal by either team.

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The Devils have been pretty bad as of late:


Sykora for Friesen and Tverdovsky
Arnott and a 1st for Nieuwendyk and Langenbrunner
Sheldon Souray for Vladamir Malakhov

Yes, the players that the Devils got back helped win cups, but taken at face value the trades are pretty bad.

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who would you guys elect as the nhl franchise to have made the worst trades?

the other thread about draft choices reminded me at how bad the leafs usually are with young talent. but when i got to thinking about it, nobody can top the new york islanders.

i found some website (http://www.wowhockey.com/article1744.html) with an article about it, so luckily i didnt have to do any work myself:

What hockey fan doesn't think this "lost" team would be able to compete with the best teams in the NHL today.

T.Bertuzzi-J.Spezza-Z.Palffy
B.Isbister-O.Jokinen-D.Heatley*
T.Pyatt-R.Torres-B.Smolinski
J.Ruutu-T.Green-J.Green

E.Brewer-B.McCabe
Z.Chara-B.Berard
S.Lachance-D.Tarnstrom

R.Luongo
F.Potvin

Where did this "fantasy" team come from? This is the team that NY Islander GM Mike Milbury has traded away. Now he has got some good players back for this team, but which team would you rather see? The current Islander team or this one?

The "lost" team has everything a hockey teams needs. The best young center in the league. Some very good size up front with Bertuzzi (best Powerfoward in the league), Jokinen, Isbister, and Pyatt. Palffy is as skilled a player as you'll find, and Heatly and Torres as some skill as well. And some great young talent. A top four defense of - McCabe, Brewer, Chara and Berard is right up there with the top teams (not THE best, but it would be one of the top). And in net one of, if not THE, best young goalie in the league.

The team that could have been.

* - In 2000 the Islanders had the first over all pick, and traded Luongo to make room for DiPietro. Had they held onto Luongo one would only assume/hope they would have drafted Danny Heatley."


Not included in here were Redden, Straka, and Tommy Salo
was bored and wondered what each player you mentioned brought back, so here it is ... and yes i know it might be a little confusing but i went left to right aww the way down and that's what was brought back to the isles thanks to trading those players away... not too too shabby either

Bertuzzi - Linden - 1st(Mezei) in '99 - Weimer
Spezza - Yashin
Palffy - Jokinen, J. Green, M. Biron, 1st(Pyatt); Biron - Aucoin, Kharitonov
Isbister - (B. Collins)
Jokinen - Kvasha, Parrish
Pyatt - Peca
Torres - Niinimaa 2nd in '03 (Tunik)
T. Green - Sacco, Daigneault, Janssens; Janssens 9th (Doyle) in '98
J. Green - Hamrlik
Berard - Potvin 6th (traded) - Weekes, Scatchard, Muckalt; Weekes - 1st (Torres), 4th rd(Gorbunov)., 7th rd(Caldwell)
Lachance - Weinhandl
Tarnstrom - waivers
Redden - Beaupre, Straka, Berard

T. Salo - Lindgren, 8th (Martinek)

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J. Green - Hamrlik
The trade was Hamrlik for Josh Green, Eric Brewer and the Islanders 2nd round draft pick (Brad Winchester)

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The trade was Hamrlik for Josh Green, Eric Brewer and the Islanders 2nd round draft pick (Brad Winchester)
i know, just wanted to see what the players arrbez mentioned brought back to the isles, in that case it was just hamrlik, was making things quick and easy... lol for once didn't feel like being thourough or i would have done it all by dates traded etc.

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lol, i was seriously considering doing all the research and dates and whatnot, but then i found somebody had already made this article, so i decided to do no work at all. but as the article says, you just need to compare the "lost" team to the team they have now to have a roughly good idea

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See the person that wrote it? Sluggo?

ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!

He's just an average joe with no writing credentials, has been banned from this site, and for some stupid reason holds high esteem on wowhockey.

He should be one to talk about trades, at the beginning of the season he suggested trading Mogilny for Hereema and Belfour for draft picks.

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You forgot Redden. Which would make the top 4 Chara, Redden, Brewer, Berard. That's pretty sweet imo.

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It's flawed anyway. If they wouldn't have made those trades to begin with, they would have had totally different records during those years and might not have had the high top 10 picks they had then, thus likely wouldn't have been able to pick Spezza, Connoly and Pyatt.

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Palffy AND Jokinen both cant be there. Olli was traded to New York for Palffy.

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You forgot Redden. Which would make the top 4 Chara, Redden, Brewer, Berard. That's pretty sweet imo.

Berard was traded for Redden.
Both can't be there.

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I agree with what I think garry1221 was trying to get across, which is that most of those deals made some sense. Emphasis on the most.

Plus, most of those players wouldn't be half the players they are today in that awful situation on Long Island. Again, emphasis on the most.

So the award still goes to the NYI, but it isn't as bad as it seems.

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Berard was traded for Redden.
Both can't be there.
You're right, but they traded Redden...they got Berard in return. Meaning Berard shouldn't be on the list.

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regardless of the validity this "super team" the guy created, it's still frightening how quickly milburry shuffles and gives up on young talent

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Does Milbury have a great relationship with the NYI owners or something that keeps him employed?

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Does Milbury have a great relationship with the NYI owners or something that keeps him employed?
Or pictures of them?

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Throughout their history, the Kings have to be on that list.

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The hawks are finally making good deals, getting Vandermeer for Zhamnov and a 4th for trash. But man, we've made some horrendous one, not the least of which is the Roenick for Zhamnov trade and the Karpovtsev trade.

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Montreal made also bad trades mostly in 1990s, the worst was maybe LeClair and Desjardins for Recchi.

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Montreal made also bad trades mostly in 1990s, the worst was maybe LeClair and Desjardins for Recchi.
Maybe having a sitdown with Roy would have averted his trade, but I'll gladly take the years he had here over any guilt over that situation.

The Rangers are on a hot streak since their last Cup.

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