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09-11-2010, 03:26 AM
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I personally think that Carolina should trade Staal away. They don't have the players around him and I think that with the players LA could give them they could have a really good team in 3 years. But I know Carolina teams won't want to do it but just think of the return you would get.

LA
Staal

Car
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Voynov
Teubert
Stoll cap reasons
Bernier(or another goalie for Car's system)
11 1st

It is a lot to give up but think how much better LA would be and how Carolina would look this year.
So the Kings give up a 1st, a top 6 center, and 4 of their top 5 prospects? Overpayment is an understatement.

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So the Kings give up a 1st, a top 6 center, and 4 of their top 5 prospects? Overpayment is an understatement.
Staal is quite a bit better than any of those young players will ever be. He'd be the Kings best forward, better than Kopitar, and second best player overall, behind Doughty. Ya, it's a lot to give up, there is some real good young talent, but you gotta give in order to get, and goal scoring power forwards don't come cheap. It would make the Kings the best team in the west imo.

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Lombardi has no cahones in order to make a major deal.

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09-11-2010, 01:59 PM
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Then we go sign POS/Evgeny Artyukhin .

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Staal is quite a bit better than any of those young players will ever be. He'd be the Kings best forward, better than Kopitar, and second best player overall, behind Doughty. Ya, it's a lot to give up, there is some real good young talent, but you gotta give in order to get, and goal scoring power forwards don't come cheap. It would make the Kings the best team in the west imo.
Staal is NOT better than Kopitar....There is no way he would fetch anywhere close to that package....

Schenn
1st Rounder
Teubert/Voynov

thats what he would get most likely.

A High end Blue Chip center prospect who will replace him soon

A top draft pick

A Nice Dman prospect who will play on their top 4 within a few years

maybe add a depth player to even out the salary

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Staal is NOT better than Kopitar....There is no way he would fetch anywhere close to that package....

Schenn
1st Rounder
Teubert/Voynov

thats what he would get most likely.

A High end Blue Chip center prospect who will replace him soon

A top draft pick

A Nice Dman prospect who will play on their top 4 within a few years

maybe add a depth player to even out the salary
I would bet big money that Schenn never hits 45 goals and 100 points in a season. He's not that good. He's not going to dominate, he'll be good, not great IMO. As for Kopitar or Staal, it's a solid debate, but I, personally would take Staal over Kopitar, but both are very good players.

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Why do people that are drunk post here on these boards?

If you weren't serious please disregard this post.
Yeah. I had no idea what Teubert's stock was. Originally my offer was Simmonds and Teubert + a 2nd for Kesler but that seemed too one-sided.

And I definitely forgot that Handzus had only a couple good years left. Lazy post on my behalf. I am embarrassed.

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I personally think that Carolina should trade Staal away. They don't have the players around him and I think that with the players LA could give them they could have a really good team in 3 years. But I know Carolina teams won't want to do it but just think of the return you would get.

LA
Staal

Car
Schenn
Voynov
Teubert
Stoll cap reasons
Bernier(or another goalie for Car's system)
11 1st



It is a lot to give up but think how much better LA would be and how Carolina would look this year.
Carolina would look garbage next year and probably be drafting in the top 10 for the foreseeable future. Bernier has little value to the Canes unless they are planning to trade Ward.

Just because Carolina are rebuilding it doesn't mean they should trade all their established plays for prospects, especially when said player is a great 1st line centre who is a PPG come playoffs and only 25.

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So the Kings give up a 1st, a top 6 center, and 4 of their top 5 prospects? Overpayment is an understatement.
A mid to late 1st, a 2nd/3rd line tweener who they'd have no use for if they acquired an actual 2nd line centre and the prospects are great but it's unlikely all of them reach their potential.

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Lombardi has no cahones in order to make a major deal.
Yeah, nevermind trading Cammalleri, Visnovsky, Demitra, or Gleason/Belanger... He's totally not willing to pull the trigger at all on any big deal involving regular roster players.


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What do you think?
What he meant to say was, any chance for something based around Drury for a 7th?

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What he meant to say was, any chance for something based around Drury for a 7th?
That's a lot closer, but still no. Too much money.

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Staal is NOT better than Kopitar....There is no way he would fetch anywhere close to that package....

Schenn
1st Rounder
Teubert/Voynov

thats what he would get most likely.

A High end Blue Chip center prospect who will replace him soon

A top draft pick

A Nice Dman prospect who will play on their top 4 within a few years

maybe add a depth player to even out the salary
In what world has Kopitar proven to be better than Eric Staal? He's had by far the better offensive season, has proven to be a beast in the playoffs, is just as good defensively and plays a physical brand of hockey. You're either out of your mind or a huge homer if you think Kopitar is better than Staal.

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Yeah, nevermind trading Cammalleri, Visnovsky, Demitra, or Gleason/Belanger... He's totally not willing to pull the trigger at all on any big deal involving regular roster players.

Wow....and who did he bring in for those guys? Exactly...

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Wow....and who did he bring in for those guys? Exactly...
Pretty happy with Matt Greene and Jack Johnson. Williams (via O'sullivan) was playing really well until he snapped his leg. Stoll has brought a lot to the team as well.

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A hell of a lot more than LA would be willing to give up.

Not happening.

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Wow....and who did he bring in for those guys? Exactly...
Well let's see.

Demitra got O'Sullivan and a 1st (Lewis)
Cammalleri got a 1st round pick that the Kings used to move up to draft Teubert
Gleason/Belanger returned Jack Johnson
Lubo returned Stoll and Greene.
O'Sullivan was then moved for Justin Williams.

Williams was on the Kings first line last season but is injury prone. If healthy he's a top 6 forward on most teams in the league.

Johnson still has some flaws in his game but is a top 4 defenseman.

Some people like to rip on Stoll but he would be a top 6 forward on quite a few teams in the league.

Matt Greene is a Kings assistant captain and a solid defensive defenseman and a leader for a young team.

Cammalleri wasn't going to re-sign at a price Lombardi liked so he got something for him rather than lose him for nothing. Teubert and Lewis are still in the system. Lewis will be competing for a bottom 6 role this season. Teubert was picked as a project defenseman, they knew that going in. He's only 20 years old. I know at HF everyone likes to label someone a bust if they're not in the NHL by the time they're 20. I know he's still got a ways to go before he's ready for the NHL but again he's 20. It's not like he's 25 and still hasn't played in the NHL. Yes, in hindsight Myers would have been the better pick.

So Lombardi turned those assets into 2 top 6 forwards, 2 of the Kings defensemen, and 2 prospects. It's not horrendous asset management.

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Fisher

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2nd Round Pick
Wayne Simmonds
Most I'd do is Stoll and Moller for Fisher.

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underpayment for fisher.

established players are so undervalued here.

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Wow....and who did he bring in for those guys? Exactly...
You said he doesn't have the "cajones" to make a major deal. He has. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you have to be stubborn, as well.

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I would bet big money that Schenn never hits 45 goals and 100 points in a season. He's not that good. He's not going to dominate, he'll be good, not great IMO. As for Kopitar or Staal, it's a solid debate, but I, personally would take Staal over Kopitar, but both are very good players.
And I'll bet that Staal will not hit those numbers again, and I'm a fan of Staal.

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You said he doesn't have the "cajones" to make a major deal. He has. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you have to be stubborn, as well.
Yeah!


...But in think it's implied that you need to come out on the right side of the deal in order for it to be considered a "big splash".

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I personally think that Carolina should trade Staal away. They don't have the players around him and I think that with the players LA could give them they could have a really good team in 3 years. But I know Carolina teams won't want to do it but just think of the return you would get.

LA
Staal

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Stoll cap reasons
Bernier(or another goalie for Car's system)
11 1st

It is a lot to give up but think how much better LA would be and how Carolina would look this year.

no way

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