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09-24-2012, 09:28 PM
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If Rielly turns into a Letang, the Leafs finally hit a draft home run.
About bloody time*

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Prediction of defensive depth by 2014/15...

1. Morgan Rielly (#1 defenceman)
2. Jake Gardiner (#2 defenceman)
3. Dion Phaneuf (#3 defenceman)
4. Carl Gunnarsson (#3/4 defenceman)
5. Jesse Blacker (#5 defenceman)
6. Matthew Finn (Top pairing in AHL)
7. Stuart Percy (Top pairing in AHL)
8. Korbinian Holzer (#6 defenceman)
9. Tom Nilsson (2nd pairing in AHL)
10. Petter Granberg (2nd/3rd pairing in AHL)
11. Viktor Loov (3rd pairing in AHL)
12. Andrew MacWilliam (3rd pairing in AHL)
13. Mike Kostka (Career AHLer)
14. Mark Fraser (Career AHLer)
15. Simon Gysbers (Career AHLer)
16. Dennis Robertson (Top pairing in ECHL)
17. Max Everson (NCAA)

Traded:
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John-Michael Liles
Mike Komisarek

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09-25-2012, 08:05 AM
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Prediction of defensive depth by 2014/15...

1. Morgan Rielly (#1 defenceman)
As talented Rielly is, you really think he can be a #1 d-man in two seasons? I doubt it.

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09-25-2012, 08:07 AM
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As talented Rielly is, you really think he can be a #1 d-man in two seasons? I doubt it.
Yes.

Either Morgan Rielly or Jake Gardiner will be the #1 defenceman for Toronto.

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09-25-2012, 08:07 AM
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Morgan is fantastic against other junior players. As was Kadri. Im going to wait and see what he can do against men before i jump to conclusions.

That doesnt mean Kadri has flopped because im his biggest supporter, it just means that what you see doesn't necessarily mean its what your going to get.

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09-25-2012, 08:12 AM
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Morgan is fantastic against other junior players. As was Kadri. Im going to wait and see what he can do against men before i jump to conclusions.

That doesnt mean Kadri has flopped because im his biggest supporter, it just means that what you see doesn't necessarily mean its what your going to get.
Morgan Rielly is a better prospect today than Nazem Kadri ever has been.

He's on another level, regardless of how good Kadri is.

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09-25-2012, 08:21 AM
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Yes.

Either Morgan Rielly or Jake Gardiner will be the #1 defenceman for Toronto.
I think he just might find a spot in the top four in 2 seasons, but not a #1 defenseman.

I just don't think he is going to develop that quickly in that he will become a 23+ minute defenseman playing against opposing top lines.

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Morgan is a great prospect.


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09-25-2012, 09:08 AM
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I stopped reading after the second sentence.

Morgan Rielly at age 18 is a much better prospect than Nazem Kadri at 18.

Don't waste your time.

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09-25-2012, 09:29 AM
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Prediction of defensive depth by 2014/15...

1. Morgan Rielly (#1 defenceman)
2. Jake Gardiner (#2 defenceman)
3. Dion Phaneuf (#3 defenceman)
4. Carl Gunnarsson (#3/4 defenceman)
5. Jesse Blacker (#5 defenceman)
6. Matthew Finn (Top pairing in AHL)
7. Stuart Percy (Top pairing in AHL)
8. Korbinian Holzer (#6 defenceman)
9. Tom Nilsson (2nd pairing in AHL)
10. Petter Granberg (2nd/3rd pairing in AHL)
11. Viktor Loov (3rd pairing in AHL)
12. Andrew MacWilliam (3rd pairing in AHL)
13. Mike Kostka (Career AHLer)
14. Mark Fraser (Career AHLer)
15. Simon Gysbers (Career AHLer)
16. Dennis Robertson (Top pairing in ECHL)
17. Max Everson (NCAA)

Traded:
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John-Michael Liles
Mike Komisarek
It astounds me how little credit Phaneuf gets on these boards. It's actually retarded...

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09-25-2012, 09:54 AM
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I stopped reading after the second sentence.

Morgan Rielly at age 18 is a much better prospect than Nazem Kadri at 18.

Don't waste your time.
Yeah? Waste my time. Explain why...

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09-25-2012, 09:57 AM
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Yup, Bob said "some say" which doesn't mean that's his opinion. I'm hoping Morgan can at least be average defensively. His skating and IQ should help him in this area. I'm not gonna fool myself though, I don't expect to see this kid crushing people in the future.
He was actually pretty impressive in his defensive effort at rookie camp. Someone mentioned underrated and that was exactly that. He wasn't massively physical but he was smart about it.

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09-25-2012, 10:06 AM
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Morgan Rielly is a tremendously better overall skater than Kadri was. He is a smarter player than Kadri and I believe from interviews he has a better head on his shoulders than Kadri does.

I have never been a Kadri fan. He reminds me of someone who thinks he is playing shinny or road hockey out there with the sort of plays he attempts. He strikes me as a selfish player who sees the game to be more about highlight reels than about consistency.

And to HockeyGuruPitka, it is not up to you to decide why some posters prefer Rielly to Kadri. That is the only Bull.

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09-25-2012, 10:13 AM
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Morgan Rielly is a tremendously better overall skater than Kadri was. He is a smarter player than Kadri and I believe from interviews he has a better head on his shoulders than Kadri does.

I have never been a Kadri fan. He reminds me of someone who thinks he is playing shinny or road hockey out there with the sort of plays he attempts. He strikes me as a selfish player who sees the game to be more about highlight reels than about consistency.

And to HockeyGuruPitka, it is not up to you to decide why some posters prefer Rielly to Kadri. That is the only Bull.
Better skater for sure. Better head? Eh I can see an argument but Kadri gets labelled a head case for very little reason. He's actually much more level headed than people let on. In fact many of his "attitude" issue are completely made up and based on ignorance.

And I don't accept your second paragraph as an argument. It has no basis of validity beyond your own thoughts (if you provided some explanation as to why you think that way...).

Rielly spent most of his season as an 18 year old injured. I'm struggling to see how he can be labelled a better prospect at 18 than Kadri was?

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09-25-2012, 10:39 AM
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People confuse 19 year old Kadri with 21 year old Kadri. he has changed a lot, as someone who has followed him quite closely since he was drafted, i can attest to that

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09-25-2012, 10:40 AM
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Morgan Rielly is a tremendously better overall skater than Kadri was. He is a smarter player than Kadri and I believe from interviews he has a better head on his shoulders than Kadri does.

I have never been a Kadri fan. He reminds me of someone who thinks he is playing shinny or road hockey out there with the sort of plays he attempts. He strikes me as a selfish player who sees the game to be more about highlight reels than about consistency.

And to HockeyGuruPitka, it is not up to you to decide why some posters prefer Rielly to Kadri. That is the only Bull.
Huh? Hes allowed to prefer Rielly, i was stating that Kadri is the same tier prospect. Never said he was better. You obviously dislike Kadri so you have a biased opinion. Why is Mika Zabinajad able to tell me Rielly is better but im not allowed to share my opinion? Pure stupidity. This boards is overrun with children.

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Better skater for sure. Better head? Eh I can see an argument but Kadri gets labelled a head case for very little reason. He's actually much more level headed than people let on. In fact many of his "attitude" issue are completely made up and based on ignorance.

And I don't accept your second paragraph as an argument. It has no basis of validity beyond your own thoughts (if you provided some explanation as to why you think that way...).

Rielly spent most of his season as an 18 year old injured. I'm struggling to see how he can be labelled a better prospect at 18 than Kadri was?
Exactly, which was why i had referred to it as "leaf goggles". When we drafted Kadri there was the exact same hype around him as there is now with Morgan Rielly. I have learned to keep my expectations low in order to avoid major disappointment.

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Both prospects were said to be drafted in around the #8/9 spot. Its up to you which draft was better, however not so long ago there was no high end talent in the 2012 draft.

One can have their own opinion. I love both however think Kadri should be mentioned in the same breath as Rielly.




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Prediction of defensive depth by 2014/15...

1. Morgan Rielly (#1 defenceman)
2. Jake Gardiner (#2 defenceman)
3. Dion Phaneuf (#3 defenceman)
4. Carl Gunnarsson (#3/4 defenceman)
5. Jesse Blacker (#5 defenceman)
6. Matthew Finn (Top pairing in AHL)
7. Stuart Percy (Top pairing in AHL)
8. Korbinian Holzer (#6 defenceman)
9. Tom Nilsson (2nd pairing in AHL)
10. Petter Granberg (2nd/3rd pairing in AHL)
11. Viktor Loov (3rd pairing in AHL)
12. Andrew MacWilliam (3rd pairing in AHL)
13. Mike Kostka (Career AHLer)
14. Mark Fraser (Career AHLer)
15. Simon Gysbers (Career AHLer)
16. Dennis Robertson (Top pairing in ECHL)
17. Max Everson (NCAA)

Traded:
Cody Franson
John-Michael Liles
Mike Komisarek
As good as Morgan Rielly is, do you really think Dion is going to be playing second fiddle to both him and Gards only 2 years from now? Switch Rielly with Dion and I think it then becomes an optimistic outlook that is a bit more grounded. Defensemen take a lot of time to develop, calling him a #1 defensemen in just two years in the NHL, at the raw age of 20, is asking for a bit much. How many defnesemen become a #1 at the age of 20? Not many. Just seems unrealistic.

But I hope I'm completely and utterly wrong. The leafs could use a break, having a #1 defensemen at the age of 20 would be huge.

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09-25-2012, 11:18 AM
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Reasons why I feel Rielly is a better prospect than 18 year old Nazem Kadri...

1. Skating (Rielly is a better skater than most hockey players.)

2. Rielly is about 6'0 and 200 pounds at 18 years old. Kadri is 21 and has yet to hit 200 pounds. The difference in physical maturation is undeniable.

3. Nazem Kadri has tremendous offensive skill but a case can be made that Rielly is equally as skilled but as a defenceman.

4. Rielly has very few question marks in his game. Kadri had a couple.

5. He missed his entire draft year to an injury and still managed to go 5th overall. Much like Galchenyuk, this says a lot about how their talent level is viewed by scouts and those who have watched them develop over the years.

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I definately feel that Rielly is in a higher tier as far as caliber of prospects go. In the Kadri draft, the top 6 was considered to the top top tier in the draft...as luck would have it we were just one spot outside that tier...a couple things preventing Kadri from being a top end prospect are elite hockey sense and physical strength, Rielly has those two things on top of a great skill set.

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Both prospects were said to be drafted in around the #8/9 spot. Its up to you which draft was better, however not so long ago there was no high end talent in the 2012 draft.

One can have their own opinion. I love both however think Kadri should be mentioned in the same breath as Rielly.



The only reason Rielly was ranked 8/9 is because he was injured all season. Even then, some lists had him top 3, Craig Button had him either 2nd or 3rd in his final rankings.

I'm one of Kadri's biggest supporters on these boards and I still consider him a blue chip talent. But Rielly is on a whole other level than Kadri.

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The only reason Rielly was ranked 8/9 is because he was injured all season. Even then, some lists had him top 3, Craig Button had him either 2nd or 3rd in his final rankings.

I'm one of Kadri's biggest supporters on these boards and I still consider him a blue chip talent. But Rielly is on a whole other level than Kadri.
Im wondering what is higher then blue chip then.

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