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10-29-2012, 08:54 PM
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Highly skilled prospect. Leafs are lucky to have him, these are the type of picks that turn franchises around imo. Unlike Schenn his is upside is enormous.

Reminds of Brian Leetch. Love to have him in the habs system.

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10-29-2012, 09:01 PM
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Highly skilled prospect. Leafs are lucky to have him, these are the type of picks that turn franchises around imo. Unlike Schenn his is upside is enormous.

Reminds of Brian Leetch. Love to have him in the habs system.
Most Leafs fans would love to have Galchenyuk as well, so you guys didn't come out of that first round too badly either

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10-29-2012, 09:03 PM
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Highly skilled prospect. Leafs are lucky to have him, these are the type of picks that turn franchises around imo. Unlike Schenn his is upside is enormous.

Reminds of Brian Leetch. Love to have him in the habs system.
I agree with u on Schenn, he was always over praised here. He was touted as a future captain. Schenn will always have mobilty issues and seems to get slower every year he has been in the NHL. Burke said he could have made the playoffs 2 years ago if he traded Schenn. Insert foot into mouth Burkie. Reilly is unreal and Gardiner is a joy to watch. The mobilty on the back end looks very nice moving forward. These guys think faster than most players out there and seem to plan things well ahead of time.

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10-29-2012, 09:08 PM
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I agree with u on Schenn, he was always over praised here. He was touted as a future captain. Schenn will always have mobilty issues and seems to get slower every year he has been in the NHL. Burke said he could have made the playoffs 2 years ago if he traded Schenn. Insert foot into mouth Burkie. Reilly is unreal and Gardiner is a joy to watch. The mobilty on the back end looks very nice moving forward. These guys think faster than most players out there and seem to plan things well ahead of time.
Schenn was picked as the 'safe pick' and most people thought he had top pairing shutdown potential. Although his game isn't as flashy as Rielly's, Schenn's upside was thought to be very high on the defensive side.

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10-29-2012, 09:15 PM
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He definitely was the safe pick. TBH I wanted to stay at 7 and draft Hodgson at that time. When we moved up I wanted Filatov though.. I just didn't like drafting a shutdown dman at 5. Better pick than Filatov in hindsight but also in hindsight, drafting Hodgson was best most likely.

But I haven't been this excited about a Leafs prospect since I became a fan (96 or so).

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10-29-2012, 10:00 PM
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He definitely was the safe pick. TBH I wanted to stay at 7 and draft Hodgson at that time. When we moved up I wanted Filatov though.. I just didn't like drafting a shutdown dman at 5. Better pick than Filatov in hindsight but also in hindsight, drafting Hodgson was best most likely.

But I haven't been this excited about a Leafs prospect since I became a fan (96 or so).
Rather have hodgson or JVR?

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10-29-2012, 10:13 PM
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Schenn was picked as the 'safe pick' and most people thought he had top pairing shutdown potential. Although his game isn't as flashy as Rielly's, Schenn's upside was thought to be very high on the defensive side.
Fletcher and the Maple leafs fell in love with Schenn. They gave up a second and a third to move up from 7th to 5th. We missed out two studs thats for sure in Erik Karlsson at #15 and Jordan Eberle at #22. I even like Tyler Myers drafted #12 better than Schenn. Of course hindsight is 20/20. That first round was deep looking back at it now.

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10-29-2012, 10:57 PM
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Fletcher and the Maple leafs fell in love with Schenn. They gave up a second and a third to move up from 7th to 5th. We missed out two studs thats for sure in Erik Karlsson at #15 and Jordan Eberle at #22. I even like Tyler Myers drafted #12 better than Schenn. Of course hindsight is 20/20. That first round was deep looking back at it now.
None of the players you mentioned were in contention for a top 7 selection though. You're right, hindsight is 20/20, because at the time Schenn was a definite top 5 selection and the Leafs traded up to get, what they believed to be, their hard-nosed, shutdown defenseman and future captain. It wasn't about them 'falling in love with him', but the fact that at the time he was seen as a top 5 player in the draft. Myers was seen has a huge wildcard and Karlsson wasn't talked about anywhere near the top 5, while Eberle would have been a shock to go anywhere before 20.

Schenn was the safe top 5 selection and was seen as having elite shutdown potential and bring strong leadership to the team for years to come. Unfortunately, his mobility regressed and with that went his overall play. He could still be a very good defenseman and at the time anyone with that 5th overall pick would have been crazy to not select him.

There is no way in hell any team would have selected Myers, Karlsson or Eberle in the top 6. It was almost set in stone that the top 6 would be Stamkos, Doughty, Bogosion, Pietrangelo, Schenn and Filatov in some order.

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10-30-2012, 12:39 AM
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With Tyler Myers, I would think that his injury concerns were the reason why he dropped in ranking. He certainly would have gone higher if it weren't the case, but from what I recall, the injury was thought to be quite serious.
On another note, players shouldn't be dropping as much in their draft ranking nowadays compared to 10+ years ago, particularly due to the advances of modern medicine. But then again, for every Myers, there's an Esposito...

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10-30-2012, 06:24 AM
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Rather have hodgson or JVR?
It's close either way.

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He definitely was the safe pick. TBH I wanted to stay at 7 and draft Hodgson at that time. When we moved up I wanted Filatov though.. I just didn't like drafting a shutdown dman at 5. Better pick than Filatov in hindsight but also in hindsight, drafting Hodgson was best most likely.

But I haven't been this excited about a Leafs prospect since I became a fan (96 or so).
I wanted Hodgson as well. I love two-way players, so he seemed like the complete package, if his offence could make an impact at the NHL levek.

If we were going to take a D, I wanted to trade down and get Myers. There were rumblings leading up to the draft that a lot of scouts were starting to think Myers should be in the "Big Four" D group, and his skill set was just so much more unique. Looked like he could have been a steal + we could have gotten another pick or two to trade down.

Id barely heard about Karlsson at that point... Damn Sens!

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11-03-2012, 11:20 AM
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Rielly update

Another assist last night for 20 points as top defenseman in Junior leagues.

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None of the players you mentioned were in contention for a top 7 selection though. You're right, hindsight is 20/20, because at the time Schenn was a definite top 5 selection and the Leafs traded up to get, what they believed to be, their hard-nosed, shutdown defenseman and future captain. It wasn't about them 'falling in love with him', but the fact that at the time he was seen as a top 5 player in the draft. Myers was seen has a huge wildcard and Karlsson wasn't talked about anywhere near the top 5, while Eberle would have been a shock to go anywhere before 20.

Schenn was the safe top 5 selection and was seen as having elite shutdown potential and bring strong leadership to the team for years to come. Unfortunately, his mobility regressed and with that went his overall play. He could still be a very good defenseman and at the time anyone with that 5th overall pick would have been crazy to not select him.

There is no way in hell any team would have selected Myers, Karlsson or Eberle in the top 6. It was almost set in stone that the top 6 would be Stamkos, Doughty, Bogosion, Pietrangelo, Schenn and Filatov in some order.
I believe the Blues had Karlsson in their top 6.

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11-03-2012, 11:53 PM
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Conner Brown

I know this is a Morgan Rielly thread but what a steal the Leafs could have in Connor brown drafted in 6th round. Has 20 points playing for a crappy Erie Otters team.

Morgan Rielly, Matt Finn, Connor Brown, Dominic Toninato(tied for 7th in USHL) looking like great draft picks so far.

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11-04-2012, 01:05 AM
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None of the players you mentioned were in contention for a top 7 selection though. You're right, hindsight is 20/20, because at the time Schenn was a definite top 5 selection and the Leafs traded up to get, what they believed to be, their hard-nosed, shutdown defenseman and future captain. It wasn't about them 'falling in love with him', but the fact that at the time he was seen as a top 5 player in the draft. Myers was seen has a huge wildcard and Karlsson wasn't talked about anywhere near the top 5, while Eberle would have been a shock to go anywhere before 20.

Schenn was the safe top 5 selection and was seen as having elite shutdown potential and bring strong leadership to the team for years to come. Unfortunately, his mobility regressed and with that went his overall play. He could still be a very good defenseman and at the time anyone with that 5th overall pick would have been crazy to not select him.

There is no way in hell any team would have selected Myers, Karlsson or Eberle in the top 6. It was almost set in stone that the top 6 would be Stamkos, Doughty, Bogosion, Pietrangelo, Schenn and Filatov in some order.

I think that Myers definately was in contention at 7, yes he was a wildcard but there were rumblings that he could go as high as 5th. What I find disturbing is that since Myers played jr with Schenn, you know the Leafs scouts saw just as much of Myers, yet they paid a 2nd and 3rd to move up 2 spots to take Schenn...I mean you don't even need a scouting staff to select Schenn at 5th, but taking Myers at 7 now that would have been some fine scouting imho.

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I'm worried about Reilly's development, Toronto has a history of bad development (just like my habs) Some players can do it on their own, but a little help from the big club must be appreciated. I do hope Reilly pans out for you.

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re: Morgan Rielly

Would like to see what Morgan Rielly's points would be like if he had a better offence in front of him to convert his passes.

Rielly's just getting warmed up.

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Would like to see what Morgan Rielly's points would be like if he had a better offence in front of him to convert his passes.

Rielly's just getting warmed up.
You'll get a good taste in December, and he looked pretty good against Russia.

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I think that Myers definately was in contention at 7, yes he was a wildcard but there were rumblings that he could go as high as 5th. What I find disturbing is that since Myers played jr with Schenn, you know the Leafs scouts saw just as much of Myers, yet they paid a 2nd and 3rd to move up 2 spots to take Schenn...I mean you don't even need a scouting staff to select Schenn at 5th, but taking Myers at 7 now that would have been some fine scouting imho.
But Schenn was ranked to be a lot better than Myers. Who knows, maybe Myers doesn't work out here.

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Watched his game last night against Hitmen and he played great even though he was held pointless last night in 2-1 loss and finished with a negative rating.

Best player from the Warriors side and was named 3rd star of the game.

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Another assist last night for 20 points as top defenseman in Junior leagues.
He's actually tied for 5th with 3 others

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There is no way in hell any team would have selected Myers, Karlsson or Eberle in the top 6. It was almost set in stone that the top 6 would be Stamkos, Doughty, Bogosion, Pietrangelo, Schenn and Filatov in some order.
"Some teams had him as high as #5."

Pierre McGuire on Erik Karlsson

You're underestimating the fluidity in lists across 30 teams and how some teams probably saw limited upside in Schenn and some teams probably didn't rank the Russian as high as others.

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"Some teams had him as high as #5."

Pierre McGuire on Erik Karlsson

You're underestimating the fluidity in lists across 30 teams and how some teams probably saw limited upside in Schenn and some teams probably didn't rank the Russian as high as others.
People think the consensus is how everyone ranks guys. Every team has extremely different rankings.

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He's actually tied for 5th with 3 others
That post was made last week. Thanks for the update.

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