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06-02-2004, 11:56 PM
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Is this the year when KL does a big deal?
It was mentioned in the media that lowe would love a shot at the # 1 overall. but what would it cost?
I think what the oilers are missing is someone with some superstar potential and some skill. the brief stint of nedved definetley shown us that skill and a big money player is needed. If we look at calgary they got a franchise player in J Iginla. I think we need a player that has the potential to win a game on their own.
I think klowe should use the the two # 1 ones and and through in something nice maybe Jason smith who can be traded for jerseys first rounder and have three # first rounders for the #1 overall.
Am I out to lunch or do you think we have a shot at the #1. And is three first rounders enough?

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06-03-2004, 12:00 AM
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IMO it would take both 1st's +hemsky + deslauries/pouliot/niinimakii tog get the pick...if not more...a price I am not willing to pay...and if i am going to make the payment might as well wait till next year for Crosby...

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06-03-2004, 12:19 AM
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I can't see the OIlers making the trade unless its a Lindros type deal...

If that happens, we'll set ourselves back another three years. So the question is, do we want to have our team barely make the playoffs for the next three years, or spend the next three years in mediocrity and hope to make a cup run when all of our prospects have matured?

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06-03-2004, 12:26 AM
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Also a concern is how do we pay the 3 million+ that the Russian ice Federation is going to want.

First we have to overpay and may have trouble getting the player over.

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06-03-2004, 01:42 AM
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Why would we make a blockbuster anyway? Unless we're landing a young, established star or near-star for a non-insane price, there's no point.

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06-03-2004, 05:14 AM
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no russians. enough said

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06-03-2004, 09:25 AM
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given our draft picks, our depth in young talent, and our 3rd overall rating in propsects, a major deal is possible without gutting our team. The reality is that we don't need any more prospects for a few years. We could skip this and the next draft and still have young talent.

We could offer:

two first round picks
a 2nd, a 3rd, 4th, and a 1st from next year
Chimera
rita
smith
one of lynch or woywitka
one of pouliot or niinimaki
brodziak
green
miknov
salmolanen

If we offered washington any 3 of the above, they would be fools to say no and we would still have an abundance of youth plus ovenchicken.

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06-03-2004, 09:52 AM
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given our draft picks, our depth in young talent, and our 3rd overall rating in propsects, a major deal is possible without gutting our team. The reality is that we don't need any more prospects for a few years. We could skip this and the next draft and still have young talent.

We could offer:

two first round picks
a 2nd, a 3rd, 4th, and a 1st from next year
Chimera
rita
smith
one of lynch or woywitka
one of pouliot or niinimaki
brodziak
green
miknov
salmolanen

If we offered washington any 3 of the above, they would be fools to say no and we would still have an abundance of youth plus ovenchicken.
I think you're the fool, personally.

Absolutely not one of those players is even close to Alexander Ovechkin's worth and none of them have the potential to pan out like him.

Want the #1?

Talk Eric Brewer, Jesse Niinimakki and 2 1sts.

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06-03-2004, 09:53 AM
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given our draft picks, our depth in young talent, and our 3rd overall rating in propsects, a major deal is possible without gutting our team. The reality is that we don't need any more prospects for a few years. We could skip this and the next draft and still have young talent.

We could offer:

two first round picks
a 2nd, a 3rd, 4th, and a 1st from next year
Chimera
rita
smith
one of lynch or woywitka
one of pouliot or niinimaki
brodziak
green
miknov
salmolanen

If we offered washington any 3 of the above, they would be fools to say no and we would still have an abundance of youth plus ovenchicken.
As much as this makes sense, Lowe wont do it & McPhee wont either. Were trading spare parts and Alot of promise for someone whos pegged as a sureshot superstar. If a deal is done on draft day for the 1st Overall, Im fairly sure it would include about 3 years worth of 1st rounders + prime prospects OR established vets (which equals overpayment)

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06-03-2004, 10:54 AM
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I don't think OVvy is who we should break the bank for personally. I like Crosby.

I say we draft some potential high end people here that will still have some "draft shine" on them next year. Maybe we can get lucky and one of them will have a great year next year. Then next year we can make a serious play for Crosby. It wouldn't be pretty what we'd have to give up, but it might be worth it.

That kid amazes me.

Just think of this line

Torres - Crosby - Hemsky

mmmmmmm sweeeeeet, drooool

K I'm back.

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06-03-2004, 11:12 AM
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I think you're the fool, personally.

Absolutely not one of those players is even close to Alexander Ovechkin's worth and none of them have the potential to pan out like him.

Want the #1?

Talk Eric Brewer, Jesse Niinimakki and 2 1sts.
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In the past 30 years, there have been 17 number one overall picks who have been flops or, at best, above average NHL players. Regardless of the hype, it is still not a guarantee that a number 1 overall will turn out to be a superstar.

As for your statement that none of those oiler players / picks have the same potential as Ovechkin, do you understand what the word potential menas? My neice is potentially as good a player as ovechkin. Potential is in the eye of the beholder and is purely objective.

AS for your thinking me a fool, I wasn't aware that you knew me. Usually it is my close friends and associates who have that opinion, not knuckleheaded strangers on the internet.

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If we offered washington any 3 of the above, they would be fools to say no and we would still have an abundance of youth plus ovenchicken.
I don't see why Washington would find that attractive. They already have more prospects than one team needs, and while they're still rebuilding, they don't really need many more prospects for one reason: They can have the best one out there.

Why give up the right to the best prospect, for ones that aren't as good, or more expensive veterans? For a team like Washington, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Lancasterism:

Potential just means you haven't done anything yet.

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06-03-2004, 12:04 PM
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Torres - Crosby - Hemsky

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No no, put Schremp on the wing.

Schremp-Crosby-Hemsky.

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I'm calling this one from a mile away...

Torres is far and away better than Schremp... he brings far more to the table than Schremp does, or ever will.

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I'm calling this one from a mile away...

Torres is far and away better than Schremp... he brings far more to the table than Schremp does, or ever will.

Plus he can play the boards and the physical presence better then Schremp

I still keep Torres on my imaginary line

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06-03-2004, 12:50 PM
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I'd have to agree with Seachd. Why in the world would Washington be tempted by that proposal? Chimera? Rita? This is supposed to make Washington salivate and giveup Ovechkin? You're saying that potential is worth nothing and that 1st overall is just hype, if that's the case, then why trade for 1st overall AT ALL and just stick at #14?

I'd have to agree with RIAL on this one. Brewer, Niiniimaki and two 1sts MIGHT do it, and even then if I were McPhee I still wouldn't.

But from KLowe's perspective, he doesn't have Ted Leonsis as owner backing him up. I just don't see Edmonton risking a top choice on a Russian who might have a several million dollar transfer fee. (Malkin OR Ovechkin)

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Two reasons why Edmonton won't trade for Ovechin:

1). The overall cost. Not just the talent, but whatever the transfer fee to get him out of Russia is. Add to that the kid could probably make more in Russia than on an entry level contract, and it's next to impossible for the Oilers to try and do something like that.

2). The Lindros factor. Ever major trade that we see that involves a bunch of players for one or two big names seems to end up with the team who gets the bunch of players ending up with a pair of really solid players. I mean even if Ovechin becomes a 90 point player in the NHL, what if Niinimaki becomes a 70 point player, Brewer finds his offensive game and becomes a 45+ point defensemen, and the two first round picks end up being the flanks on Niinimaki's wings?

It's simply not worth it to make that kind of trade.

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Plus he can play the boards and the physical presence better then Schremp

I still keep Torres on my imaginary line
Torres is smashing people to bits on my 2nd line, lil protection, wear out the defence for the scorers, while not getting behind the pace by playing on a line with them.

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1). The overall cost. Not just the talent, but whatever the transfer fee to get him out of Russia is. Add to that the kid could probably make more in Russia than on an entry level contract, and it's next to impossible for the Oilers to try and do something like that.

2.
ding ding ding, we have a winner. Just about every credible analyst beleives there will be cost certainty associated with entry level contracts. This is going to open the door for the euro leagues including russia to offer higher wages to elite propsects.. Drafting ovechkin is incredbly risky.

Going back to my offer, if lowe offered them

our two first round picks
pouliott
woywitka

are you guys saying that wouldn't be enough?? Jeez that seems like a huge overpayment for a guy who may not play in the nhl till his mid to late 20's. If another team is offering more, than good luck to them.

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