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06-03-2004, 03:31 PM
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Best NHL team off all time

Earlier I saw a post on the worst NHL teams ever. Now lets do the opposite. Here are my picks:
1976-77 Montreal Canadiens. Won 60 games. 132 points (all time record). Lost only 8 games. Swept a very good Bruins team in the finals as well. HOF players include Lafleur, Robinson, Shutt, Savard, Lapointe, Lemaire, Cournoyer, Dryden, Gainey and coach Scotty Bowman. Pete Mahovolich was on that team too. Lost only two playoff games. Scored 387 goals that year. Allowed the least too.
1983-84 Edmonton Oilers. Went 57-18-5 for 119 points. Scored 446 goals, all time record. Glen Sather the coach. HOF players are Gretzk, Coffey(soon), Messier, Kurri, Fuhr. Also had Glenn Anderson. Gretzky leads league in points with 205. The only knock is that they lost 4 playoff games and went seven games against a much weaker Calgary team.
1955-56 Montreal Canadiens. 45-15-10 for 100 points. Jean Beliveau leads the league in scoring. Had HOF players like Beliveau, Richard, H. Richard, Geffrion, Moore, Olmstead, Harvey, Plante, Bouchard, Johnson. Coached by Toe Blake. The start of a run of 5 straight cups.
1951-52 Detroit Red Wings. 44-14-12 for 100 points. Howe and Lindsay are 1-2 in scoring race. Had future HOFer's like Howe, Lindsay, Sawchuk and Hall in net, Kelly on defense and Sid Abel and Alex Delvecchio, as well as Marcel Pronovost. Never lost in the playoffs won all eight games. Sawchuk got 4 shutouts. Would be very hard to beat in any era.
1971-72 Boston Bruins. 54-13-11 for 119 points. I'd say the 1971 Bruins but they couldnt beat Dryden that year. Anyways this team was just as good with Espo and Orr leading the scoring. They beat a good NYRanger team in the finals in 6 games.Had HOFer's like Cheevers, Orr, Esposito, Bucyk. Then had other very good players like Ken Hodge, Wayne Cashman, John McKenzie, Derek Sanderson and Carol Vadnais. Also had Eddie Johnston in net behind Cheevers. This team should have won more Cups.
Others I think are up there are the 81-82 Islanders, 2000-2001 Colorado Avalanche, 91-92 Penguins, 88-89 Calgary Flames.
My all time pick is the 76-77 Montreal Canadiens. Both surronding years of this team were great too, but imagine this team going up against the Oilers of the day. I think with their big three on defense and Lafleur and Shutt and co. on the offense that Gretzky and the Oilers would have their hands full. Then you have Dryden in net if you can get that far. I cannot see any NHL team of any era beating that team. Just my opinion.

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How the 95-96 Red Wings did not win the Cup is beyond me.

By the way, using the Enter button on your keyboard once in a while to space things out is usually nice for the readers.

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The '81-'82 Isles team was the best that organization ever produced, and the most complete team I ever witnessed (admitted bias) and the Pitt team of '91-'92 was second only to those Oiler teams offensively.

All that said, I never cease to be amazed at the record of that '76 Montreal squad. I could care less what era you are talking about, the 70s, the 90s or 1600s , losing just eight hockey games over a entire regular season schedule is absolutely ridiculous!!!

That team was DOMINANT.

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The Flyers would have easily won the Cup again in 76 as well if the Habs weren't around to create what was arguably the best dynasty of all-time...

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The Devil's best team was 00-01 and they didn't win the cup. It still is hurts.

Best team in my lifetime? Those Penguin cup teams were pretty damn nasty.

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In my opinion it's the 95-96 Red Wings. Even if they didn't win the Cup, I think it's impossible to get 62 wins in 82 games. The Wings were a victim of their own success, they were probably too confident going into the playoffs.

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Late 70s Montreal were the best IMHO.

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.... and the Pitt team of '91-'92 was second only to those Oiler teams offensively.
Really? The 1992-93 Penguins were probably the best team (regu. season) in franchise history. I still am in shock that they lost to a team with Swiss Cheese Healy in goal, on a goal by David 'European Vacation' Volek. The Penguins went into shock when Kevin Stevens landed face first and had his series ended.

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The Oilers and Isles were both awesome during their four year runs... but being biased here as a Habs fan, the team in 76-77 that lost 8 games and finished with 132 pts was absolutely dominating... Was it that year that they only lost 1 or 2 games in the playoffs? I'm not sure, but they were incredible during those years in the late seventies.

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The Habs of 56-60 were pretty dominant as well, top to bottom of their roster.

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06-03-2004, 06:17 PM
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I began following the NHL around 1974 or so. The best overall teams I've seen have been, in no particular order:

New York Islanders, 1981-82

Philadelphia Flyers, 1974-75

Detroit, 1995-96 (not sure if a team that didn't win the Cup should qualify as one of the best that I've ever seen, but...

And the GREATEST team I've ever seen was.... drumroll, please:
The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens. Let's see you go 60-8-12, baby... my favorite player was Ken Dryden. That was hockey at it's best, by the way.

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06-03-2004, 06:20 PM
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In my opinion it's the 95-96 Red Wings. Even if they didn't win the Cup, I think it's impossible to get 62 wins in 82 games. The Wings were a victim of their own success, they were probably too confident going into the playoffs.
either that or they just didn't have great goaltending. Great teams have great players at key positions. Vernon and Osgood are/were solid to good but not great. Ergo, therefore, they were not a truly great team.
They made my list, though. Still, they couldn't have been that great, they weren't even the 'best' team that year, if you believe the best team always wins. Pretty cleary it doesn't, though.

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I'll tell you why the best team ever was the 76-77 Habs.

Not only were they great for what they produced and accomplished..but that is the only team ever without any single weakness. They had it all.

Goaltending: check.

Defense: check.

Offense: check.

Intangibles: check.

Toughness: check.

Speed and finesse: check.

Actually those last two should also fall under intangibles.

This team was just simply frightening. That's why they'd be extremely tough to beat.

And they weren't just good at these particular traits, they excelled at them all..every category.

Picture it like this: Say the team played the oilers at their greatest time..the oilers might just have a more skilled offense, but the fact is, the Habs would be able to get by an oilers team that's defense was not that great, and a team prone to many defensive mistakes. Why? Cuz their O is very strong anyways. But the oilers might have a more difficult go of it as the habs D was very strong..not just their actual defensemen, but their forwards could backcheck and play good D as well. It's the intangibles..their counter attacks would be too much as well. Then our goaltending is excellent as well.

7 game series, the Habs take it in a max of 6 I say.

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It's too hard to compare teams from different eras-someone is about to argue that the 2004 Bluejackets would smoke the 1904 Ottawa Silver Seven, and they might have a point, given differences in size and conditioning.

Having said that, I prefer the '83 Islanders and the '87 Oilers as two teams worth considering in this conversation.

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I'd say the Oilers dynasty as a whole. The only think that really stopped them was themselves. Steve Smith scoring into his own net brok up a possible five strait and trading the greatest player ever because of Peter Pocklington cost them more cups, but they still managed to squeeze another off anyway.

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Really? The 1992-93 Penguins were probably the best team (regu. season) in franchise history. I still am in shock that they lost to a team with Swiss Cheese Healy in goal, on a goal by David 'European Vacation' Volek. The Penguins went into shock when Kevin Stevens landed face first and had his series ended.
I'm admittedly losing track of the years. Just know that the Pens of the "early 90s" offered up some ridiculous offensive numbers. Tocchet and Stevens flanked Lemieux, who at that stage was emerging as the heir apparent to #99. Truthfully, when you got past Samuelson and Murphy, they had a pedestrian D corp. And Barrasso, while underrated, IMO, was not an all-timer. But that team could produce goals by the bunches and were very exciting doing it.

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... but being biased here as a Habs fan, the team in 76-77 that lost 8 games and finished with 132 pts was absolutely dominating... Was it that year that they only lost 1 or 2 games in the playoffs?
I believe it was. A good, but not-ready-for-primetime Isles team lost to them in five games. That one win was truly a moral victory, as the Habs steamrolled through the playoffs.


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Trots, I wasn't suggesting that the Pens of 93 were best overall, just the best Penguins team.

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How about the 2002 Detroit Red Wings? Won a Stanley Cup, had the best defenseman in the world, arguably the best goaltender in the league, and the best forward corps in the league. Oh, and I forgot to mention - the best coach in the league.. an older and wiser Scotty Bowman than that of the Habs and Pens earlier.

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How about the 2002 Detroit Red Wings? Won a Stanley Cup, had the best defenseman in the world, arguably the best goaltender in the league, and the best forward corps in the league. Oh, and I forgot to mention - the best coach in the league.. an older and wiser Scotty Bowman than that of the Habs and Pens earlier.
I thought of them but I think the 2001 Colorado Avalanche were a lot better than them. For the reason that they needed six games against the Canucks that year and then seven against the Avs. They also barely got by the Avs since facing elimination in Game 6 Patrick Roy threw one into his own net. They beat a weak Carolina Hurricanes team in 5 games so I can hardly say they were dominant in 2002. Yzerman was on one knee and they were very beatable that year. I think their -95-96 team was better but the fact that they needed six games to polish off the Winnipeg Jets and an OT winner in 7 to finish off the Blues shows that they had some holes. Plus a team that had Chris "Cry me a river" Osgood should never be considered great.

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The easy answer here is the '77 Habs, and of course I should probably give a nod to the '67 Leafs, the last year of a one of the great dynasties. Of course, I was alive for neither, so I can't really argue for 'em. I suppose for my lifetime I should say '84 Oilers or '91 Pens but I'm not really compelled to choose of those two, not having followed either team closely.

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1st....'76-77 Habs

2nd...'83-'84 Oilers

3rd...'81-'82 Islanders

4th...'55-'56 Habs

Pitsburgh of the early '90's, Montreal's '77-'78 team, Detroits 2002 team, Boston's early '70's team, and a few others are others to consider. Toronto had a good team in the early 60's.

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As an adddition to Brett's post, Leafs 62-67 and The 47-51 Leafs were pretty decent team too.

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The 76-77 habs had the Hart memorial trophy, Art Ross trophy, Conn Smythe trophy, Lester B. Pearson trophy, James Norris trophy, Vezina trophy and Jack Adams award winners that season.

They most likely would have added the William M. Jennings award (Dryden+Laroque), Frank J. Selke trophy (Gainey), Maurice Richard trophy (Shutt : 60 goals), Roger Crozier MBNA Saving Grace Award (Dryden) and Bud Light Plus-Minus Award (Robinson : 2nd highest ever) if they had existed back then too.

Add a President trophy, a regular season record and a Stanley cup and you've got a good choice for the winner of this thread IMO. But it's not like I've really watched them play...

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Thanks for the add-on MacDaddy Version 1.3!

The Leafs were great in the 60's and from '47-'51. It is so hard to judge after #3-4.

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The whole point of hockey is to keep the puck out of your net and score in your opponent's net.

The 1976-77 Canadiens:

Goals for: 387
Goals Against: 171

Goal differential +216

The 85-86 Oilers

Goals for: 426 (!)
Goals Against: 310

Goal Differential +116

End of argument.

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