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06-04-2004, 02:33 PM
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The Devil's best team was 00-01 and they didn't win the cup. It still is hurts.

Best team in my lifetime? Those Penguin cup teams were pretty damn nasty.
Ironically the 93 Penguins were better than either the 91 or 92 edition IMO.

Gretzky's Oilers are all time tops, followed neck and neck by the 76 Habs and 2004 Capitals

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06-04-2004, 03:06 PM
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76 Habs, barely, over the 81-82 Isles.

#3: 1985 Oilers

#4: 1955-60 Habs

#5: 1995-2002 Red Wings

Each of these teams were great in differring eras, and dominated those eras. The Habs of the late 70's won 4 straight Cups before losing to the Isles, who won 4 straight Cups, before THEY lost to the Oilers, who won 5 Cups in 7 years!

The Rocket-led Habs of the 50's were ridiculous, although you could argue since there were only 6 teams in the NHL (and 2 of them were the Rangers and Bruins!), there wasn't much competition. And you might be right.

The Red Wings have won by far more games since 1990 than ANY team. With 3 Cups with 3 different goalies. And a 4th Cup Final. Any team with a 14-year+ dynasty gets on my list.

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#1 1976-77 HABS EASY!! Goal differential of 216 tells the story. Hall of Fame roster and the best Coach of all time. NO WEAKNESS!! This team dominated, not like the 80's Oilers who were in many games waking up in the 3rd period to come back and beat a team 7-6. The Oilers and Isles teams were damn good however.
# 2 1955 -56 Habs
#3 Oilers 84-85

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The whole point of hockey is to keep the puck out of your net and score in your opponent's net.

The 1976-77 Canadiens:

Goals for: 387
Goals Against: 171

Goal differential +216

The 85-86 Oilers

Goals for: 426 (!)
Goals Against: 310

Goal Differential +116

End of argument.


The whole point of hockey is not to score, but to win. Even if it is 1-0. This is why I picked Montreal of the '75-'76 campaign. They are the best NHL team ever put together. You may disagree, but I think if a national vote was taken, this team would win.

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06-04-2004, 03:24 PM
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You may disagree, but I think if a national vote was taken, this team would win.
Yes, and we all know that public polls are scientific facts that prove facts irrefuteably.

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06-04-2004, 04:19 PM
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The whole point of hockey is not to score, but to win. Even if it is 1-0. This is why I picked Montreal of the '75-'76 campaign. They are the best NHL team ever put together. You may disagree, but I think if a national vote was taken, this team would win.
You misunderstood me. I also believe the Habs are the best team to ever play the game. They were a far more devastating team than Edmonton because of their balance between offence and defence. While goals poured in at one end (only 39 fewer goals than the Oilers record season) they stayed out of the other end (139 fewer goals against).

The '76 Habs never took games off as the Oilers occasionally did, and would never lose 11-0 to Hartford or anyone else as Edmonton did.

On a trivial sidenote that team in '76-'77 were also 12-0 in exhibition play and only lost one game in the playoffs. Which means that over a full season, including full playoffs and 12 exhibition games they only lost 9 times. That is simply astounding.


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06-04-2004, 04:41 PM
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I thought of them but I think the 2001 Colorado Avalanche were a lot better than them. For the reason that they needed six games against the Canucks that year and then seven against the Avs. They also barely got by the Avs since facing elimination in Game 6 Patrick Roy threw one into his own net. They beat a weak Carolina Hurricanes team in 5 games so I can hardly say they were dominant in 2002. Yzerman was on one knee and they were very beatable that year. I think their -95-96 team was better but the fact that they needed six games to polish off the Winnipeg Jets and an OT winner in 7 to finish off the Blues shows that they had some holes. Plus a team that had Chris "Cry me a river" Osgood should never be considered great.
The same could also be said about the 2001 Avs team, it took them 7 games to beat the team that beat Detroit in 6 and they only had to deal with the Canucks and Blues in the other 2 rounds, only losing once to the Blues.

I wouldn't say the Wings barely got past the Avs in 2002 either, they routed them 9-0 in the last 2 games, it was the Avs to lose and they blew it after beating the Wings in Detroit in Game 5.

Best team ever would probably one of the Canadiens teams from the dynasty years or the 1980's Oilers. Any of the '90's Wings teams aren't even close.

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06-04-2004, 04:55 PM
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The 76-77 Habs may have been the best, but I'd much rather watch the 83-84 Oilers! Nearly 450 goals, Gretzky shattering all the records with a 51 game point streak (!). That team was pure offense and often outshot their opponents something like 5-1.

Man, those guys won the cup 2 seasons after trading Gretzky! Imagine how good they were WITH Gretzky!

My dream Cup final would be the 83-84 Oilers against the 92-93 Penguins. Kurri-Gretzky-Anderson VS Stevens-Lemieux-Jagr

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06-04-2004, 04:57 PM
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I thought of them but I think the 2001 Colorado Avalanche were a lot better than them. For the reason that they needed six games against the Canucks that year and then seven against the Avs. They also barely got by the Avs since facing elimination in Game 6 Patrick Roy threw one into his own net. They beat a weak Carolina Hurricanes team in 5 games so I can hardly say they were dominant in 2002. Yzerman was on one knee and they were very beatable that year. I think their -95-96 team was better but the fact that they needed six games to polish off the Winnipeg Jets and an OT winner in 7 to finish off the Blues shows that they had some holes. Plus a team that had Chris "Cry me a river" Osgood should never be considered great.
The better team won.

Taking 7 games to finish off the Blues and 6 for the Jets doesnt show that this team had holes. We where a little to confident going into the playoffs. We blew by everyone in the regular season. When we faced Colorado, we where finally getting into our game but it was too late. Not to mention the Avs really out muscled us.

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06-04-2004, 09:38 PM
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You misunderstood me. I also believe the Habs are the best team to ever play the game. They were a far more devastating team than Edmonton because of their balance between offence and defence. While goals poured in at one end (only 39 fewer goals than the Oilers record season) they stayed out of the other end (139 fewer goals against).

The '76 Habs never took games off as the Oilers occasionally did, and would never lose 11-0 to Hartford or anyone else as Edmonton did.

On a trivial sidenote that team in '76-'77 were also 12-0 in exhibition play and only lost one game in the playoffs. Which means that over a full season, including full playoffs and 12 exhibition games they only lost 9 times. That is simply astounding.

Never mind me Maleific74. I did misunderstand you. You are correct.

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06-04-2004, 10:51 PM
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Ironically the 93 Penguins were better than either the 91 or 92 edition IMO.
That's what I said Lionel. http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=1460588&postcount=8

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06-05-2004, 11:41 AM
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that's the year they set the winning streak record at 17 games. i thought lemieux was going to break gretzky's goal record of 92 goals that year, but he ended up missing 6 weeks with cancer. finished with 69 goals in 60 games.

definitely and easily the best penguins team. volek :mad:

one good thing about nhl2night ending is that i don't have to hear chicken parm talk about that islanders series every episode. or melrose talking about the 93 kings.

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06-05-2004, 08:38 PM
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Two teams stand out in my mind:

76-77 Montreal
95-96 Detroit

If not for their slightly weak goaltending and the fact that they somehow managed not to win the cup I'd actually say the 95-96 Wings may actually have been marginally better then the 76-77 Habs.

One team that I haven't seen listed but would be one of the best all time IMHO would be the 88-89 Calgary Flames.


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Really? The 1992-93 Penguins were probably the best team (regu. season) in franchise history. I still am in shock that they lost to a team with Swiss Cheese Healy in goal, on a goal by David 'European Vacation' Volek. The Penguins went into shock when Kevin Stevens landed face first and had his series ended.

I completely agree. That team was soooo good. THere is no way they ever should have lost that year, much like the 95-96 Wings.

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