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09-15-2010, 05:06 PM
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Do the Flyers have the best top 9 forwards, best top 6 D, and worst goalies?

People are not realizing that the Flyers may have 9, 20 goal scorers.....Richie, Carter, Giroux, JvR, Zherdev, Briere, Hartnell, Leino, and Guerin (if he makes the team which I think he will)

Also, the D is a stacked, Pronger/Timonen can be #1's in alot of other organizations, then Homer finnaly did get us a 3rd pairing, whether it be, O'Donnell and Coburn or O'Donnell and Meszaros.

The Goalies, well nobody knows yet. I really dont see Leighton playing awful, but I think if this team at any point in the season goes cold, the Flyers hit the panick button and call up Bobs, or try to ride Backlund or acquire someone at the deadline or via waivers.

So do the Flyers have the best top 9 Forwards, Best top 6 D and the worst goalie tandem in the league?

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Guerin isn't signed yet and he barely scored 20 on Crosby's wing, I doubt he's putting in twenty on our third or fourth line.

You could make a case that they have the best D. I don't know about the best top 9, but it's possible I guess. I think you could certainly make a case for them having the best skaters top-to-bottom. And I would certainly make the case that they have some of the worst goal tending.

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Pretty much.

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Heck, I'd say we have the best 4th line too.

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Can't have the best top-9 when we're going to have at least one huge defensive liability at C.

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I'd say we have the best D definitely. Top 9, definitely one of the best, I don't know if I would come out and say THE best. Goalies I don't think we are the worst. We aren't too far off, but Edmonton and NYI (depending on DiPietro...is he still hurt?) are in pretty bad shape.

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Heck, I'd say we have the best 4th line too.
Detriot? I'd say we're right up there though.

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Guerin isn't signed yet and he barely scored 20 on Crosby's wing, I doubt he's putting in twenty on our third or fourth line.

You could make a case that they have the best D. I don't know about the best top 9, but it's possible I guess. I think you could certainly make a case for them having the best skaters top-to-bottom. And I would certainly make the case that they have some of the worst goal tending.
Its going to one hell of a year! Alot of talent on the ice for the Flyers, definatly at D

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People are not realizing that the Flyers may have 9, 20 goal scorers.....Richie, Carter, Giroux, JvR, Zherdev, Briere, Hartnell, Leino, and Guerin (if he makes the team which I think he will)

Also, the D is a stacked, Pronger/Timonen can be #1's in alot of other organizations, then Homer finnaly did get us a 3rd pairing, whether it be, O'Donnell and Coburn or O'Donnell and Meszaros.

The Goalies, well nobody knows yet. I really dont see Leighton playing awful, but I think if this team at any point in the season goes cold, the Flyers hit the panick button and call up Bobs, or try to ride Backlund or acquire someone at the deadline or via waivers.

So do the Flyers have the best top 9 Forwards, Best top 6 D and the worst goalie tandem in the league?
The Flyers goaltending will be the suspect of attention this season. If Leighton returns to waiver wire form. We may have to resort to something drastic.

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To the original post, Yes. Absolutely. It kind of makes sense though, when you think of salary cap and whatnot. Not everyone can have EVERYTHING. But man, when there are good goalies out there available for like 2-4m per .... But on the other hand I do also support Holmgren being loyal to the goalie(s) that went to the cup final with....

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Mmm, can't wait for the season to start!

I apologize for being absent lately - focused on baseball.

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Best top 9? Maybe in the argument, but probably not. Best top 6 D? Yeah. Worst goaltending? Yup.

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I firmly believe we have the deepest roster of skaters in the league. God willing, Michael Leighton has stockpiled this:



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I firmly believe have the deepest roster of skaters in the league. God willing, Michael Leighton has stockpiled this:
This, except for the Leighton crack.

Our top 9 is in the top 3 or 4.

Our defense is number 1 without question.

Our fourth line is top 2 or 3.

Our goaltending is 30.

That said, the team makes the goaltender, so Leighton's numbers should be alright. The only time to worry about him is when we face an offense as good as our own when the other team has no weakness we can exploit (see Chicago in the 2009-10 Finals) or we are slumping due to injury (see the first half of the Boston series when Gagne and Carter were both out and our depth could not carry us against a team built in much the same way we are).

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Yes, although I think Leighton will play well this year. He played a very simple, technically sound game up until the Cup Finals, and I expect with the improved defense he'll just try to play large in net and control rebounds. He should be fine until he faces an offense good enough to crack our defense.

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Yes, although I think Leighton will play well this year. He played a very simple, technically sound game up until the Cup Finals, and I expect with the improved defense he'll just try to play large in net and control rebounds. He should be fine until he faces an offense good enough to crack our defense.
And even then, I'm not going to panic after a few bad games vs the top teams. But if the goaltending deflates completely, I fully expect to see someone big get offloaded for a mid-level goaltender, where we LOSE on the trade but plug the gap.

Hopefully Leighton and Boosh will do fine so all the haters can f-off and start focusing on other things for once.

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To the original post, Yes. Absolutely. It kind of makes sense though, when you think of salary cap and whatnot. Not everyone can have EVERYTHING. But man, when there are good goalies out there available for like 2-4m per .... But on the other hand I do also support Holmgren being loyal to the goalie(s) that went to the cup final with....
I agree with your first point. If we had a star goaltender, potentially $5 million per, with the salary cap, we wouldn't have this stellar team.

Sucks we didn't get a goalie like you said, but I loyalty had to factor in with Leighton coming back, and I think (opinion) maybe more happened with the goalies (Nabokov, Turco) than we know or will ever know about.

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And even then, I'm not going to panic after a few bad games vs the top teams. But if the goaltending deflates completely, I fully expect to see someone big get offloaded for a mid-level goaltender, where we LOSE on the trade but plug the gap.

Hopefully Leighton and Boosh will do fine so all the haters can f-off and start focusing on other things for once.
I agree.

But see, you're thinking too rationally for HF.

Anyway, I hope your last point is right. I can still see people on HF pointing the finger at Leighton even if the goals are a direct result of ****** defense/defense not working/defense not communicating.

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This, except for the Leighton crack.

Our top 9 is in the top 3 or 4.

Our defense is number 1 without question.

Our fourth line is top 2 or 3.

Our goaltending is 30.

That said, the team makes the goaltender, so Leighton's numbers should be alright. The only time to worry about him is when we face an offense as good as our own when the other team has no weakness we can exploit (see Chicago in the 2009-10 Finals) or we are slumping due to injury (see the first half of the Boston series when Gagne and Carter were both out and our depth could not carry us against a team built in much the same way we are).
I agree here. If Homer had spent the money to get Turco or someone similar we could be a dominant force. Even if Turco wasn't great, THEN use Leighton.

Leighton is average and I have a feeling we'll see it shine through many times throughout the season and probably in the playoffs.

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I agree.

But see, you're thinking too rationally for HF.

Anyway, I hope your last point is right. I can still see people on HF pointing the finger at Leighton even if the goals are a direct result of ****** defense/defense not working/defense not communicating.
Wait a second... it wont be just Leighton's/Boosh's fault!?

BLASPHEMY! OFF WITH IS HEAD!


I already prepared myself for when Leighton lets in 1 goal his first game, the screams of bloody murder that follow it. Obviously Im not happy with the goalie situation, but Ive just come to accept it sadly.

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Wait a second... it wont be just Leighton's/Boosh's fault!?

BLASPHEMY! OFF WITH IS HEAD!


I already prepared myself for when Leighton lets in 1 goal his first game, the screams of bloody murder that follow it. Obviously Im not happy with the goalie situation, but Ive just come to accept it sadly.
Same, but I'm going to defend the hell out of Leighton if it isn't clearly his fault. But as this thread is making a good point, we have a damn near perfect slab of concrete with a crack in the corner. The team around him should hopefully be able to support Leighton to where the team succeeds, potentially an awful lot. If he lines up with shooter, has a clear view, and misses it, I'm letting him have it. If it's a 2 on 1 or he has 4 bodies in front of him and barely reacts, I'm letting him slide...although I'm willing to bet a good chunk of people on here won't.

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Same, but I'm going to defend the hell out of Leighton if it isn't clearly his fault. But as this thread is making a good point, we have a damn near perfect slab of concrete with a crack in the corner. The team around him should hopefully be able to support Leighton to where the team succeeds, potentially an awful lot. If he lines up with shooter, has a clear view, and misses it, I'm letting him have it. If it's a 2 on 1 or he has 4 bodies in front of him and barely reacts, I'm letting him slide...although I'm willing to bet a good chunk of people on here won't.
That's a safe bet. This is the town that scapegoated Hextall/Snow for losing the 1997 Cup Final with just 1.5 goals per game in support and Cechmanek for losing the first round in 2002 with a mere 0.4 goals per game in support.

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I'd put Washington's top 9 ahead of ours. Pittsburgh is too top heavy, but with Crosby and Malkin you dont need wings, lol.

As far as D goes, ours is awesome.

Goalies, ours are awful.

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This, except for the Leighton crack.

Our top 9 is in the top 3 or 4.

Our defense is number 1 without question.

Our fourth line is top 2 or 3.

Our goaltending is 30.
Come on, what about the Oilers? Is Khabibulin going to be playing this season? Same thing with the Isles if DiPietro is out. If those guys are in, then I guess we are 30. But if Khabibulin and DiPietro are out, I'd put us at 28.

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Come on, what about the Oilers? Is Khabibulin going to be playing this season? Same thing with the Isles if DiPietro is out. If those guys are in, then I guess we are 30. But if Khabibulin and DiPietro are out, I'd put us at 28.
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