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09-16-2010, 05:41 AM
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Weir has the potential to be our best all around defenceman in a few years and has also the potential to be the bust of all 3.

Right now

Gryba
Weircioch
Cowen
Rungblad ( because we havnt seen him play)

I've actually gotta agree. From what I saw of Cowen in the World Juniors (yeah I know he had a rough year) and the prospect camp. I always expect him to be better because he's sooo hyped. Gryba, I knew next to nothing abuot, and I've been impressed by his grit. Weircioch, I'm not certain where he should be. And Rundblad I think could be great, just because of how he's played in Europe and stuff.

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09-16-2010, 06:40 AM
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<---this one is still the best.

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09-16-2010, 07:30 AM
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I'm sticking to my guns and saying Wiercioch will be the best. I've been saying it for a while now and people kept on giving me the " you crazy".

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This is like comparing apples to oranges to pluots.

All have different skill sets that address different needs of the team. Cowen could be the better stay at home guy, Weircioch the offensive guy, and our Pluot could be a decent all around guy that does not excel at either.

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09-16-2010, 08:30 AM
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I'm sticking to my guns and saying Wiercioch will be the best. I've been saying it for a while now and people kept on giving me the " you crazy".
I agree as well, I saw him on the PP in the Leafs game and he instantly reminded me of Karlsson, amazing skater and great offensive abilities, but unlike Karlsson, he has the size and the reach to be a great defenceman as well. But he needs to grown into his size and greatly improve his defensive game.

I would love to see him get paired up with Philips in a couple of games in the 2nd half.

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09-16-2010, 08:37 AM
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I actually think Cowen is the best of the lot honestly, although they all offer certain intangibles.

Wiercioch and Rundblad will obvioulsy be offense first, whereas Cowen will be stay at home. However, Cowen's skating and passing are fantastic from what I've seen and when you combine that with his defensive abilities, he's the better prospect at the moment.

Gryba needs to work on skating and passing. He's older, and more experienced, so I'm not shocked to see him play slightly better positionally then the rest. He needs more AHL time for sure.

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09-16-2010, 09:18 AM
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Anyone see the video feature on Cowen that is on The Hockey News,
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-Senators.html

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09-16-2010, 09:38 AM
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I actually think Cowen is the best of the lot honestly, although they all offer certain intangibles.

Wiercioch and Rundblad will obvioulsy be offense first, whereas Cowen will be stay at home. However, Cowen's skating and passing are fantastic from what I've seen and when you combine that with his defensive abilities, he's the better prospect at the moment.

Gryba needs to work on skating and passing. He's older, and more experienced, so I'm not shocked to see him play slightly better positionally then the rest. He needs more AHL time for sure.
It's funny how you mention those attributes, mostly because the other two are better than Cowen at those things.

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09-16-2010, 09:58 AM
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It's funny how you mention those attributes, mostly because the other two are better than Cowen at those things.
He already tried to tell me skating, puck handling, passing are not a pressing concern to Cowen. Find me a 19 year 225 6'5 Dman who's pressing concern is not passing, puck handling and skating and I'll go make him a trophy room big enough to fit 5 Norris Trophies.

Better by a mile at this point. Cowen's the better prospect because of his body coupled with the fact that he is athletic and can move, and has the ability to learn to move himself and the puck better. He's gotta learn consistency with the puck and his feet...I expect he will to be honest. The more I watch him the more I like him...and that probably has to do with him getting over his set backs and playing more.

Other than that...who cares who's better. They're ours. I think Weircioch has the highest ceiling, I think Cowen is the sureshot serviceable top 4 defencemen.....with the way we handle prospects (and we do it very well)...we should make quality players out of all 3.

All this Rundblad is better than Weircioch stuff is funny...you guys ever really watched Rundblad beyond the highlight videos posted here? Oh yeah, at the WJC when he was Blues property and you didn't bother to actually watch him. If Rundblad is farther along than Weircioch right now which he may well be, damn we look good. The things Weircioch needs to improve on (defensive positioning, risk assessment, strength/size) all can come with time as long as he's committed...

My question is...if Weircioch and Rundblad both pan out...who's gonna get the PP time with Karlsson down the road? Or do we go 3 Dman PP just because we can? How about 4 D with Cowen in front of the net. Man I'm bored.

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09-16-2010, 10:41 AM
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It's funny how you mention those attributes, mostly because the other two are better than Cowen at those things.

My comment wasn't in direct comparison to those two, but strictly speaking to his ability. However I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment that both other players are better than Cowen at these things. IMO they're comparable, with slight advantage to the other two because of their focus on offence. However, because Cowen's defensive strenghts are that much more superior he, in my opinion, is the better prospect and the most NHL ready.


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09-16-2010, 11:21 AM
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offensive production is great for a defenseman but solid defense play in your own end is a must. Lets see how PW does in camp against better faster players. I think at the least Cowan will be a solid defensive defenseman at the NHL level. Ive never seen the Swedish kid so who knows.

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Cowen is still the best of the three.

The jury is still out on Weircioch and Rundblad though. The majority of us have not seen Rundblad play all that much so we can't really compare him to the others.

That's never stopped anyone from offering an opinion on him.

In 5 years Cowen, Karlsson, Wiercoch, Rundblad and Gryba will be a good bunch.

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That's never stopped anyone from offering an opinion on him.
Exactly, and wrongfully so.

Most people are basing their opinions are stuff what was written by somebody, or basing it on some one of the scouts/Murrays said. I mean sure it will make you sound smart, but it's not really your opinion.

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Excellent reading! I especially liked Sensfanman's post.

I'm happy I started this,,,

Is there any other team in the league loaded with defensive prospects like us??? We definitely have a variety when it comes to skill set! Either of the 3 could turn out better than the other.

I can see BM now: Phone's ringing off the hook,,

Picks up,, other GM mentions one of our 4 D. JC, PW, DR, EG

Click.......... Dial tone.... please hang up and try your call again.

Imagine it was Murray drafting instead of Muckler before???

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As for Lee, I keep saying and telling people that he honestly should be traded. Especially at this point. Ottawa has no use for Lee and Lee can be more effective with another team, I think.

Screw trading one of those 3, trade Lee. Nothing against him just something Ottawa doesn't need, anymore.

I hope Gryba makes the big club. I like what I see from him so far.
ME too

The best fit for Brian Lee IMO would be to go home...

Minnesota!

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My question is...if Weircioch and Rundblad both pan out...who's gonna get the PP time with Karlsson down the road? Or do we go 3 Dman PP just because we can? How about 4 D with Cowen in front of the net. Man I'm bored.
I kind of figured we'd just continue to use two power play units...

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Excellent reading! I especially liked Sensfanman's post.

I'm happy I started this,,,

Is there any other team in the league loaded with defensive prospects like us??? We definitely have a variety when it comes to skill set! Either of the 3 could turn out better than the other.

I can see BM now: Phone's ringing off the hook,,

Picks up,, other GM mentions one of our 4 D. JC, PW, DR, EG

Click.......... Dial tone.... please hang up and try your call again.

Imagine it was Murray drafting instead of Muckler before???
Our new ReginKarlssonLehner?

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Our new ReginKarlssonLehner?
Did i make you mad or somethin? You tend to not forget the past so maybe...

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Our new ReginKarlssonLehner?


You tried to make a funny

congrats...

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Did i make you mad or somethin? You tend to not forget the past so maybe...
Oh c'mon I'm not mad, I just think it's funny MIkeD has cribbed your writing style almost exactly.

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I kind of figured we'd just continue to use two power play units...
Nah man.

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Oh c'mon I'm not mad, I just think it's funny MIkeD has cribbed your writing style almost exactly.
Your right, it's kinda funny.

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Nah man.
My bad

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My bad
Nah, not really.

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Oh c'mon I'm not mad, I just think it's funny MIkeD has cribbed your writing style almost exactly.
I wasn't aware that he did so,,, If he's who I think he is I got it off him on another board... EK,, formerly known as PL???

Havent used it in awhile though... Since the HeTard rumors...

It is true though, If I'm BM I hang up unless the other GM overpays bigtime, and since none have any NHL experience I doubt a GM breaks the bank.

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