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09-16-2010, 10:52 PM
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Check out the book by Gare Joyce, it's not overblown at all, the guy was a frigin psycho. It's always been more a matter of avoiding his father rather then avoiding the area with him. We passed him up in the 03 draft because he wasn't going to play for us as long as his dad was in Winston-Salem, now he's not so it's a non-issue. And as with any psychological issues that could be the result of what happened it's next to impossible to truly tell the full extent. As you said, hopefully coming back to NC is a bit of a catharsis for Patrick. God knows he could use one with as much as he's bounced around in his career.
I certainly didn't intend to portray that the abuse he suffered was somehow overblown. Far from it in my opinion. That kid has been through hell in his early life and I respect that immensely. I was actually just trying to articulate that from a personal standpoint, in terms of how much it matters to Patrick O'Sullivan "the man" of 25 years old, that the implications of playing in North Carolina may be overblown. Not that the abuse itself was exaggerated or nominal. I certainly wouldn't be in any position to say that. I just think that the amount of time that has elapsed here, and the obvious strides that one makes from 17 to 25, he is probably no longer afraid of his father in the way he was back then.

I do hope that coming back here can provide a good chapter in his life though. He deserves one.

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09-16-2010, 10:55 PM
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Thanks Dave and Vagrant I appreciate the thoughts on his father since, last time we traded for him (albeit briefly) it was brought up as being the sticking point as to why he wanted no part of the Hurricanes.

I tend to agree with the rest of y'all - it seems like a low-risk, potentially high-reward signing for the Canes. At best it allows one of the younger guys to get another year of development in down on the farm or in major junior and, at worst, he fills a roster spot for the Checkers and he's shown the door at the end of the season. I would like to see him manage to resurrect his career here - I've always had a soft spot for players born in the South.

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09-16-2010, 11:01 PM
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Yeah, once again, this'll be another trade/signing where we'll have to see for ourselves what we're getting. No offense to the Edmonton fans, of course. I'm sure he certainly didn't play up to your expectations. But with the amount of players that have signed here/been traded for and have revived their game somewhat, we'll need first hand experience before passing judgment.

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09-16-2010, 11:20 PM
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Father is back in Canada, although now that Patrick is back in NC I'm sure you can start the clock with the countdown for him to return.
That's OK--if he shows up I'm sure there are more than a few Caniacs that will be waiting for him with beisbol bats.

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09-17-2010, 12:04 AM
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admittedly, i do not know much of his relationship between him and his father. can someone explain to me why this was/is an issue?

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09-17-2010, 12:10 AM
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this is a bit long, but it's a good read that explains the situation pretty well:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/whoselifeisit/story.html

also there are some attached interviews that aren't fully a part of the article that are worth checking out.

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09-17-2010, 12:46 AM
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O'Sullivan would never want to play here!

As for this signing... I'm not sure what to think. He has a lot of skill and is still pretty young, but he has a few question marks about his defensive play, not to mention he seems a bit redundant. At least it's a two way contract. It will only increase the competition at camp and early on in the season. Can't hurt. Our AHL squad might be the new Hershey Bears.

Also this is an epic thread title. I had almost forgotten Kosto want return a Hab.

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09-17-2010, 01:03 AM
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O'Sullivan would never want to play here!
If you read the earlier posts, you'll learn the story behind that. It was extremely valid until his father moved back to canada.

And I really think that playing back in the state he calls home and grew up in could help him break out into the form he was always predicted to have, especially with a team that has a ton of success with reclamation projects- the coaching philosophy that makes use of the players you have, the lower pressure atmosphere, the leadership, the guys in the room, I think it all combines to make one of the most player friendly environments in the league, which is great for letting guys who have struggled elsewhere loosen up and play their game.

And if he's even decent, the NC aspect will be great for marketing and for the fans.

I'll be interested to see how this turns out. Best case, he finally lives up to his potential and becomes a star. I'm not betting on that. Worst case, he has a chance to get some confidence in Charlotte and hopefully regain his game.


Also, thinking back to that deadline day, Justin Williams' contract is up after this year...

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That's OK--if he shows up I'm sure there are more than a few Caniacs that will be waiting for him with beisbol bats.
Can anyone post his father's pictures with "Wanted" sign around RBC center and all sport bars around the town?

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09-17-2010, 08:17 AM
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I really hope you're joking? Why would you want to do that if Patrick is coming here to Play?

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Can anyone post his father's pictures with "Wanted" sign around RBC center and all sport bars around the town?

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I really hope you're joking? Why would you want to do that if Patrick is coming here to Play?
maybe to keep his dad as far away from Patrick as possible.

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09-17-2010, 09:57 AM
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This has the makings to be a 'feel good story' this year. Patrick has to know if he wants to revive his hockey career and demonstrate why he was once so highly touted, this is the place to do it, this is the time to do it. I feel very good about this opportunity for both O'Sullivan & the Hurricanes. In my opinion the tools are there offensively for O'Sullivan to put up impressive numbers in the NHL and if he demonstrates the ability and desire to do so, a pairing of O'Sullivan - Staal could be in the cards. I honestly don't think it would be wrong to think that a 25 year old O'Sullivan heading into his prime couldn't be a consistent 25-35 goal scorer, 60-70 point winger if all comes together. One of the main storylines for Canes fans for quite some time has been 'Staal needs a winger, someone with an offensive ability to match his', Patrick O'Sullivan could be that guy.

Evidently there are some obstacles he'll have to overcome to put his game together, that goes for anyone looking to cement their worth and get their career on consistent, solid ground, but if he does, and I think he will, I believe he could be the one to replace the offensive loss of Ray Whitney both on Staal's wing and on the PP. This is potentially a piece of natural talent this team has tremendously lacked for quite some time.

I'm rooting for this kid, I can't see why anyone in the hockey world wouldn't. I personally find it a tad disgusting reading the opinions of some Oilers fans. I get their passion, I get the kid had a poor outing there (who didn't?), but for all the guy has been through if all you can do as he leaves is spit on him and close the door, I think that says a lot about ones character as a person.

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It sounds like a broken record at this point in the thread, but this is one of those classic JR signings that could be a big reward later in the season. I don't know how much he has played C the past few years; I thought O'Sullivan was more of a RW. Either way, he's a candidate to give Skinner more time in the OHL or other kids more time in the AHL to develop.

The forward spots are starting to get crowded. Could we see LaRose or Samsonov on the 4th line? Is this a challenge to Boychuk at camp? Does this signing mean Ruutu won't be 100% for the start of the season? Ruutu is one that concerns me as he obviously wants to play in Finland to start the season.

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09-17-2010, 10:06 AM
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Exactly, even though Eric Belanger was a knob during his time here I really don't wish anybody poorly when they leave unless they kick over the trash can, spit in the punch, and kick me in the nuts on the way out.

O'Sullivan becomes probably the second most naturally skilled player on our roster now behind Eric Staal. Due respect to Jussi Jokinen, but he's a step behind O'Sullivan in terms of pure skill in my opinion. Now if that skill can translate into production is always the issue. Ruutu is a close one too.

I would take the over on O'Sullivan at 50 points this year depending upon if the organization utilizes him properly or not. I recall them taking guys like Harold Druken and Jan Hlavac and trying to turn them into penalty killers. Even Pavel Brendl was thrown into a somewhat defensive oriented position.

If they give him ample powerplay time with Staal, he could certainly pick up where Whitney left off if he has the motivation to do so. Just a ridiculously low risk signing for us on the whole.

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09-17-2010, 10:14 AM
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The forward spots are starting to get crowded. Could we see LaRose or Samsonov on the 4th line? Is this a challenge to Boychuk at camp? Does this signing mean Ruutu won't be 100% for the start of the season? Ruutu is one that concerns me as he obviously wants to play in Finland to start the season.
Tlusty is a guy the team is counting on to be a top 9 forward, however coming off injury there is some question marks surrounding him. I do agree though, we're looking rather crowded, especially if Skinner wow's at camp and preseason. By all accounts, he's looking to get as good a chance as ever to make this team. Bowman is in all likelihood in Charlotte. I think Nash is starting in Charlotte aswell. For as good as Dalpe has looked, he could very well be on this team. With that said, even if Dalpe puts on a show, I don't think some seasoning in Charlotte would be a bad thing.

Staal
Sutter
Jokinen
Ruutu
Cole
O'Sullivan
Boychuk
Samsonov
LaRose
Kostopoulos
Tlusty
Dalpe
Skinner
Dodge
Dwyer
Bowman
Nash


... That's some solid depth right there, and that's not including Samson, Terry, Osala, Matsumoto.. in which could all be ready for call-up duty.


If I had to roughly predict a line-up today, I think it'd guess the following...

Jokinen - Staal - O'Sullivan
Boychuk - Sutter - Ruutu
Samsonov - Dalpe/Skinner - Cole
Kostopoulos - Dodge/Dwyer - LaRose
Tlusty

If Samsonov falters, Tlusty will be there. If Boychuk falters, he'll be in Charlotte with either Tlusty or someone else awaiting the call. Talk about these kids having an opportunity. You slip, and you're getting replaced rather easily by the next talented kid waiting in the wings.

If these veterans are solid enough to lead, and these kids are motivated enough to prove, this should be one of, if not the hardest working team in the league. I feel confident in saying that. Will this team, leaders & kids disappoint and prove me wrong? We'll see. I feel very confident in this team right now.


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Its tough to fault PO for not succeeding in Edmonton, when nobody has succeeded in Edmonton for quite some time.

I remember watching their games the year Cole played with them on Center Ice, and it made no sense. They had a bunch of hungry young fast kids, and they were trying to play Calgary Flames hockey.

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Now official.

http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=537768

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RALEIGH, NC – Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has signed center Patrick O’Sullivan to a one-year, two-way contract. The deal will pay O’Sullivan $600,000 on the NHL level or $105,000 on the American Hockey League (AHL) level during the 2010-11 season.

“Patrick had a little bit of an off year with Edmonton last season, but is still young and very skilled,” said Rutherford. “He scored 20 goals just a few seasons ago, and has the ability to reach that mark again. Patrick will be in competition for a spot on our NHL roster during training camp.”

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Low risk, high reward. This almost can't fail. If he works out extremely well and becomes huge, then the fact that he's from W-S makes it an even better deal from a marketing standpoint. I do agree that there's a huge logjam now though. Too bad this isn't like the NFL so some of these guys could be cut.

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What a deal, $600,000 at the NHL level. Just above league minimum. Solid, solid, deal.

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What a deal, $600,000 at the NHL level. Just above league minimum. Solid, solid, deal.
I would imagine that O'Sullivan probably had offers from more teams than just Carolina if he was ready to accept a two way deal at this low of a number. I just think he saw an opportunity to play on a team that wanted him to compete for an NHL job from the first day and decided this was the place to be.

Former 50 point scorers that are only 25 years old generally don't have trouble finding work. I just hope the relative low number of the contract does not "slot" him into horrible icetime and they let his play measure where he plays instead of his salary. We tend to get fixated on players playing certain roles in this system.

I don't know why a team like Pittsburgh wasn't all over this deal for a winger for Crosby, yet they give Mike Comrie a 1 way deal for the same money when he played just as badly last year and is only a portion as skilled. Sometimes the NHL doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Also, this reminds me a lot of the chance we took on Patrick Eaves. Similar players with similar problems with confidence and consistency. Only I think that O'Sullivan has better bounce back potential due to simply being a better hockey player prior to his troubles.

From what I can gather from Kings fans, O'Sullivan was never a problem defensively even when he wasn't scoring. That kind of flies on the face of the image I had of him being a hired gun powerplay specialist. Even if he lands on the 3rd line, he can be strong depth there without tearing up the score sheet which is a nice commodity.

Plus, the guy they're talking about now as being irreplaceable from Carolina, if you believe the pundits, was another guy we picked up from the scrap heap after he was bought out by another team. Ray Whitney.

Just a few things to consider. A very interesting pickup if nothing else.

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I don't know why a team like Pittsburgh wasn't all over this deal for a winger for Crosby, yet they give Mike Comrie a 1 way deal for the same money when he played just as badly last year and is only a portion as skilled. Sometimes the NHL doesn't make a lot of sense.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing myself. It would be nice to hear that O'Sullivan had a few offers on the table and chose to become a Hurricane. That's always a good feeling.

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Also, this reminds me a lot of the chance we took on Patrick Eaves. Similar players with similar problems with confidence and consistency. Only I think that O'Sullivan has better bounce back potential due to simply being a better hockey player prior to his troubles.

From what I can gather from Kings fans, O'Sullivan was never a problem defensively even when he wasn't scoring. That kind of flies on the face of the image I had of him being a hired gun powerplay specialist. Even if he lands on the 3rd line, he can be strong depth there without tearing up the score sheet which is a nice commodity.

Plus, the guy they're talking about now as being irreplaceable from Carolina, if you believe the pundits, was another guy we picked up from the scrap heap after he was bought out by another team. Ray Whitney.

Just a few things to consider. A very interesting pickup if nothing else.
He's great when he has the puck and has a nose for the net, but away from the puck he is a floater. He was -35 last year, yes that is on a last place team but you could see him just give up.

When he is on his game, committed, confident and is playing with heart he'll be a great second line addition to your squad. If he gets off to a slow start you won't see him too much at the NHL level.

Just my $0.02

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I'm willing to bet that if O'Sullivan doesn't make the big club, he won't pass waivers...someone will pick him up at $600K.

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Comrie IMO has way more skill than pos all around, and is a more well rounded player as well. He has accomplished more, and he made it to 30 vs 25 to be unemployed. Comrie battled injury and illness last year and by most accounts played pretty well for not being 100%. Pos didn't have nearly the adversity. He just didn't produce. I'm all for it but let's keep it in perspective. Pitt needed production not question marks. Comrie has proven himself repeatedly. We can take more risk in our position compared to Pitt.

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