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09-24-2010, 07:52 PM
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kesler projections?

last year he was on fire

24 goals 50 assists and 100+ PIMS was his approximate totals if I remember....

what do you think he tallies this season?

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09-24-2010, 08:21 PM
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I think he'll get 20-25 goals, 45-55 assists with around 75-85 PIMs while being a finalist for the Selke again. He's a good, consistent guy.

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Hopefully something similar. Everyone will come in here to say that he's still young and will continue to improve (and I hope they're right) but I think it'll be hard for him to put much more energy into offense if he's going to continue his Selke caliber play.

Who knows though, if his shot has improved even 1/4 of the amount it did over last summer, I'd expect 30 goals.

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I think he'll get 20-25 goals, 45-55 assists with around 75-85 PIMs while being a finalist for the Selke again. He's a good, consistent guy.
Agreed. He improves over last year a little. No reason at his age he couldn't and taking into account a more mobile defense that will help all forwards.

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30 goals for Kesler. Probably 80 pts?

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09-24-2010, 08:42 PM
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Hopefully about 30 goals and 50 or so assists.

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Should stay in the same range 65-80 points.

Hard to say what will exactly happen since if Samuelsson moves up with the Sedins, he and Raymond will have a new linemate which could bring down their production. But the faster, more mobile defense should help out as well, so it could really go either way. I think theres a better chance of it going up but no one ever expects players like Richards to go from 80 to 62 points or Datsyuk from 97 to 70 so theres always that chance.

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09-24-2010, 08:49 PM
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I see a slight decrease in offensive production, in the mid to high 60's.

Why? Just because, as has been said ad nauseam almost every Canuck had a career year last season, someone's gotta drop off. Kes did have shoulder surgery too (I think...) so that could make a slight difference or none...

I just don't see Samuelson replicating his year, and he wont even be starting with Kes.

So Kes will have Mason, and a wrong side of 30 Samuelson for 3/4 of the season, and someone with likely less production to start the 1/4 of the season with.

Mason is young, so on HFboard that means he'll be year closer to his prime, so his totals will increase, this doesn't happen that often with 2nd liners who maintain an already decent pace for a 2nd line. Semin is one exception off the top of my head.

I do predict Kes will win the Selke this season, as it's a reputation award.

But it's nothing more than speculation and a gut feeling, just my 2 cents.

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Around the same as last year. 75 points basically. 28 Goals and 47 Assists is my cautiously optimistic prediction. I wouldn't be disappointed if he actually put up little less than that, I and most others just expect him to play like a beast in the playoffs this time, should be no excuses.

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We'd be asking a lot for Kesler to have a season as good or better than last year. I would guess he plateaus a bit. 20 goals, maybe 55-60 points. Still very good for a 2nd line C that checks the other team's top players.

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09-24-2010, 09:11 PM
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I think Kesler could get 30 goals or very close to it and put up 75ish points. With the improvements to the D and the 3rd line I don't see him regressing if anything improving. He's still young and just entering his prime a 70-80 point season with 25-30 goals is what I where I think he should be.

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09-24-2010, 09:17 PM
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I see a slight decrease in offensive production, in the mid to high 60's.

Why? Just because, as has been said ad nauseam almost every Canuck had a career year last season, someone's gotta drop off. Kes did have shoulder surgery too (I think...) so that could make a slight difference or none...

I just don't see Samuelson replicating his year, and he wont even be starting with Kes.

So Kes will have Mason, and a wrong side of 30 Samuelson for 3/4 of the season, and someone with likely less production to start the 1/4 of the season with.

Mason is young, so on HFboard that means he'll be year closer to his prime, so his totals will increase, this doesn't happen that often with 2nd liners who maintain an already decent pace for a 2nd line. Semin is one exception off the top of my head.

I do predict Kes will win the Selke this season, as it's a reputation award.

But it's nothing more than speculation and a gut feeling, just my 2 cents.
Didn't Sams get most of his goals with the Sedins?. Raymond is young and improving and looks even faster than last year so I really don't see why Raymond would regress in points.

It was said last offseason that Keslers points would drop cause of no Sundin and Kesler had a career/peaked year but yet he puts up more. I see Kesler around his point totals from last year I see the Sedins regressing, it's pretty hard to put up the points they did last year year after year.

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I think he'll have a similar year. Last season he finally got over his "invisible on the road" thing so a full year of being good both at home and on the road should help.

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Didn't Sams get most of his goals with the Sedins?
Good point, this actually reminds me that Kes will be just fine without Sammy on his wing for awhile. I would like to see who Kesler got most of his point totals with.

But I only see him getting maybe 5-10 less points, not a huge decrease, just because well it's a gut feeling, and as another poster pointed out, I look at similar two-way players in Datsyuk and Richards, who had random point decreases, but their two-way game remained intact.

Also, I should have clarified that Raymond would maintain similar point totals as last season (50 point range) not decrease

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I'm hoping Kesler improves, but that might not be a reflected in his point totals. If he checks like a demon, and yet matures enough so that he can play with passion but lose the stupid parts that occasionally crop up, then I'll be very satisfied with a plus or minus 10 points.

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I think Kesler's line will be freed by the Malhotra unit to be more offence oriented. Malhotra's line should be playing the opposition's top line, no?

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less points than dan hamhuis

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Slightly less than last season imo. Around the 65-70 point mark. Personally I thought he overachieved last season. His skillset just doesn't scream 75 points to me. 65-70 point player with Selke-defense is still a very valuable player.

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30-50... 80 Total.

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25 goals, 40-45 assists for 65-70 points

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50g 85a, Hart, Selke + Conn Smythe trophies.

But seriously, I'd really like him to improve on last year's offensive numbers. If only AV would keep his bloody lines together long enough to gel. Realllllllllly hoping one of the young guys steps up into Grabner's vacated spot.

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Didn't Sams get most of his goals with the Sedins?
EV KESLER,RYAN - RAYMOND,MASON - SAMUELSSON,MIKAEL 14 26.42%
EV SAMUELSSON,MIKAEL - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK 9 16.98%

Edit: This is total points, of course, and not just goals.

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20-25 goals, 70-75 points.

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60-65 points. Anyone claiming he's going to get 80 points needs to remove the rose-coloured glasses.

Last year was a freak, unsustainable year for Kesler. Excluding Malkin (who's a top-5 center in the game and plays with Crosby on the PP), Kesler was the highest-scoring #2 center in the league last year. And was putting up comparable numbers to elite #1 centers like Staal and Datsyuk.

Kesler is a great two-way player, but he's simply not that good offensively over the long haul. Scoring 70+ points from him in those minutes with the linemates he'll have just is not sustainable. Remember, he won't have Burrows OR Samuelsson on his wing for the first 1/3 of the season this year.

60-65 points still puts him in the top 5 #2 centers offensively in the NHL.

Saying you think Kesler will score 75-80 points this year as a #2 center is akin to claiming he'd score 90-100 points if an NHL team made him their #1 guy, or in other words generally akin to saying he's a top-5 offensive player in the sport. As much as we like the guy, that's never going to be the case.

People here simply do not realize what an incredible accomplishment his 75 points were last season and how massively difficult that's going to be to duplicate.

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60-65 points. Anyone claiming he's going to get 80 points needs to remove the rose-coloured glasses.

Last year was a freak, unsustainable year for Kesler. Excluding Malkin (who's a top-5 center in the game and plays with Crosby on the PP), Kesler was the highest-scoring #2 center in the league last year. And was putting up comparable numbers to elite #1 centers like Staal and Datsyuk.

Kesler is a great two-way player, but he's simply not that good offensively over the long haul. Scoring 70+ points from him in those minutes with the linemates he'll have just is not sustainable. Remember, he won't have Burrows OR Samuelsson on his wing for the first 1/3 of the season this year.

60-65 points still puts him in the top 5 #2 centers offensively in the NHL.

Saying you think Kesler will score 75-80 points this year as a #2 center is akin to claiming he'd score 90-100 points if an NHL team made him their #1 guy, or in other words generally akin to saying he's a top-5 offensive player in the sport. As much as we like the guy, that's never going to be the case.

People here simply do not realize what an incredible accomplishment his 75 points were last season and how massively difficult that's going to be to duplicate.

I'm usually pretty conservative with guessing player productions.

But if i had to guess, Kesler breaks 70 again, especially if he gets to play on the 1st pp with the twins.

Sammy will likely not be on his wing, but imo sammy doesn't necessarily have great chemistry with kesler. I would think at least 10 of those goals came off the sedins last year.

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