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09-20-2010, 10:35 AM
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UFC 119 - Mir vs. CroCop (AKA: not worth my $50)

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Date: September 25, 2010
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Venue: Conseco Fieldhouse
Broadcast: Pay-per-view

MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

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This is a very weak card for PPV, they should've went the free Spike TV route when Big'Nog withdrew. I shouldn't say the card is "weak", the PPV undercard has alot of potentially great fights, the proper description might be a solid card with a very weak main event.

MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop - Make no mistake about it, I"ll be rooting for CroCop, I don't think he has what it takes to beat Mir at this point in his career.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader - Changed my mind on this one 3 times.
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra - Very tough call, I'm taking Serra based on him being very under-rated.
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham - Tough fight to call, Dunham might have troubles with a savy vet like Sherk, but Sherk might be biting off more than he can chew considering the long lay-off.
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens - this should be a candidate for FOTY.

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione - Mitrione only beats ex-football players.
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares - almost went with Audinwood based solely on the nickname "awesomely awesome", it doesn't get much better.
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe -
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle - Pride fanboy pick.


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MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop (Mir is much more well rounded then Cro Cop)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

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MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

Gone with a few underdogs. Hope CC gets to fight.

War Mark Hunt. War New Zealand.

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This is a bar car for sure, but that's not meant entirely as a negative. Lots of these fights could be exciting even if not relevant to the title picture.

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Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

I'm actually really excited for this card....all the main card fights have a lot of potential, and i'm interested to see how Hunt does. I will be cheering for Mirko 100% for this fight, but I don't think he takes it. He keeps saying in his pre-fight interviews he expects Mir to take him to the ground but I think it will be the exact opposite. Mir is going to keep the fight standing and pressure him exactly how JDS did and win this fight by TKO. Also, factor in the eye injury that Mirko has and it doesn't look good

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I don't know, as much as Mir has improved his standup game I think he is foolish to keep the fight standing. If it stays upright it's a pick'em fight, I think Mir is smart enough to get it to the ground.

If he stands and bangs with Mirko I'm calling a CroCop victory, his stirking is just far more accurate.

I'm with you in realtion to Hunt, I'm really intersted to see how he looks now that he has shed the poundage.


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If he stands and bangs with Mirko I'm calling a CroCop victory, his stirking is just far more accurate.
Cro Cop is in another dimension as far as striking goes, but so far during his UFC career he's shown that if a guy gets up in his face and bullies him around he can lose in the striking game.

JDS pushed the pace their whole fight and made Cro Cop look silly. Christ, even Cheick Kongo (who Mir outstruck) bullied around Cro Cop and beat him standing up.


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I have a feeling Cro Cop may not be cleared to fight.

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JDS pushed the pace their whole fight and made Cro Cop look silly. Christ, even Cheick Kongo (who Mir outstruck) bullied around Cro Cop and beat him standing up.
From a pure technical standpoint, both those guys are light years ahead of Mir in the standup game. While Mir did get the better of Kongo in the standup, I think that had more to do with Kongo being afraid of Mir taking him down, thus affecting his ability to let combos fly.

Mir's standup has improved a great deal, no denying that. The problem is in his own brain, he had a couple good standup showings against Nog and Kongo and all of a sudden he thinks he's Bruce Lee. If he chooses to stand with Mirko when he has such an advantage on the ground, he's nothing but a fool & I hope he eats a vintage headkick.

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MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop-Mainly b/c I love Cro Cop and can't stand Mir.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

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Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

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MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

Hate picking fighters I dont like, but this card is chock full of them, making it unavoidable. Evan Dunham has become a favourite of mine and I am looking forward to him sending roidshark further into obscurity.

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MAIN CARD (PPV)

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

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Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

PRELIMINARY CARD
Pat Audinwood vs. Thiago Tavares
Steve Lopez vs. Waylon Lowe
TJ Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle

There is no way I can pick Mir in any fight. Hate that *****

I actually think Mir and Bader will win but I can't go against Cro Cop and Lil Nog.


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I have to say, I tink the lineup for this PPV is pretty solid except that it really lacks the hype or weight of a title fight or a pre-title contender fight or even a famous grudge match...

Not every card, esp. if they keep doing a once-a-month PPV, is going to have these things, but it's real hard to justify the money to watch this.

I'd go to a bar to watch it but a lot of the bars around here charge you to even watch it, and then when you're done drinking and/or eating, you've probably spent 50+ dollars anyways.

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I'd go to a bar to watch it but a lot of the bars around here charge you to even watch it, and then when you're done drinking and/or eating, you've probably spent 50+ dollars anyways.
True, but at least you got to watch a fight and catch a buzz for $50. That's alot better than paying $50 for a card that doesn't have a legit headlining fight. If you're having problems finding a bar that shows the fight, I suggest going to your local Boston Pizza, all locations air the fights.

I'm in the exact same boat, I'm excited for 80% of the card, but without the key main event I can't justify dropping $50 on it. I can justify going out and getting haggered with my $50 while watching the fight.

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Not a bad card, but I agree with others saying it's not worth the $50, at least if you're watching it alone and not splitting the cost with buddies. But then again, I only ever fork over the $50 for PPV when it's a stacked card and even then I usually split the cost with at least a couple friends. Otherwise I'll just hit up the bar.

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True, but at least you got to watch a fight and catch a buzz for $50. That's alot better than paying $50 for a card that doesn't have a legit headlining fight. If you're having problems finding a bar that shows the fight, I suggest going to your local Boston Pizza, all locations air the fights.

I'm in the exact same boat, I'm excited for 80% of the card, but without the key main event I can't justify dropping $50 on it. I can justify going out and getting haggered with my $50 while watching the fight.
Yeah, it reminds me of a lot of the Europe cards. After 3 hours you'll have seen a bunch of good fights, but there isn't anything to hang your hat on to get people excited about it. It's such a fine line though without having a real main event.. if you add a title fight in there instead of Mir/Crocop and suddenly the main card looks really solid. I'm definately intrigued by all of the main card fights, but going forward there isn't going to be much to talk about after the fact.

By the way, if people think this card is bad.. look ahead to UFC 122. I know it's on Spike, but that's got to be the worst numbered UFC card in about 3 or 4 years.

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True, but at least you got to watch a fight and catch a buzz for $50. That's alot better than paying $50 for a card that doesn't have a legit headlining fight. If you're having problems finding a bar that shows the fight, I suggest going to your local Boston Pizza, all locations air the fights.

I'm in the exact same boat, I'm excited for 80% of the card, but without the key main event I can't justify dropping $50 on it. I can justify going out and getting haggered with my $50 while watching the fight.

you makie a good point, at least at a bar you get the social atmosphere which enhances the experience considerably, even if you do spend 50 bucks.

I'll probably still catch it after the fact. I did that with 118 because I wasn't able to watch it that night, and it worked out great. Even though I knew some of the results, it was extremely entertaining regardless.

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By the way, if people think this card is bad.. look ahead to UFC 122. I know it's on Spike, but that's got to be the worst numbered UFC card in about 3 or 4 years.
It is a pretty average card at best, there is no doubting that. Vitor/Okami is a pretty big matchup with title implications, so it isn't a complete write-off. I think you have to look at this card as though it were a UFN, which would change my outlook on it.

Vitor Belfort vs. Yushin Okami
Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Goran Reljic
Jorge Rivera vs. Alessio Sakara
Amir Sadollah vs. Peter Sobotta
Jason Brilz vs. Vladimir Matyushenko

When you look at it as a UFN card it actually looks very good.

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Not the greatest but a lot better than 120, good thing that one's on Spike.

Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Sean Sherk vs. Evan Dunham
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens

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Joey Beltran vs. Matt Mitrione
CB Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen

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It is a pretty average card at best, there is no doubting that. Vitor/Okami is a pretty big matchup with title implications, so it isn't a complete write-off. I think you have to look at this card as though it were a UFN, which would change my outlook on it.

Vitor Belfort vs. Yushin Okami
Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Goran Reljic
Jorge Rivera vs. Alessio Sakara
Amir Sadollah vs. Peter Sobotta
Jason Brilz vs. Vladimir Matyushenko

When you look at it as a UFN card it actually looks very good.
.. but it's not a UFN though. Compare it even to the other numbered free UFC shows.. UFC 120, UFC 105, UFC 95.. it's really, really lacking in comparison. I wonder even if they'll even show Brilz/Matyushenko, it doesn't really shape up to be too exciting. Don't get me wrong - it's free, I love free fights, and I'll be watching - but it's just a stretch here between 119-122 where the fight cards have gotten a bit too watered down for my liking.

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.. but it's not a UFN though. Compare it even to the other numbered free UFC shows.. UFC 120, UFC 105, UFC 95.. it's really, really lacking in comparison. I wonder even if they'll even show Brilz/Matyushenko, it doesn't really shape up to be too exciting. Don't get me wrong - it's free, I love free fights, and I'll be watching - but it's just a stretch here between 119-122 where the fight cards have gotten a bit too watered down for my liking.
I'm definately in the same boat as you, it's not a strong card and alot of the cards seem to be getting watered down.

I think we are going to start seeing more and more cards like this, similar to "Friday night fights" in boxing. Ideally the sport will grow enough where other revenues help drive the UFC, resulting in them having less PPVs (big names only) and more UFN's or events like 122.

I think they really dropped the ball on this one, when Nog went out they should've changed this to a Spike TV event. Mind you, I know little to nothing about the TV industry so I"m sure it's not as cut and dry as that.

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I have a feeling Cro Cop may not be cleared to fight.
He got cleared. What the hell would they have done had he not been?

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