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09-20-2010, 04:41 PM
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Back to the injury though-

Does anyone know if Drury can be sent to Hartford now that he's injured?
I'm just afraid this as a way Sather keeps Redden in the lineup.

What about IR, does the cap hit still count? Does it have to be longterm IR for it to not count?
He's only out for 4 weeks.... This will have no effect on the Redden situation at all....

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09-20-2010, 04:42 PM
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It's the cap because when Holik was making more than Drury no one gave a crap and hated on him this much. Slats just loves to pay his 3rd line centers tons of money.
Of course it's the cap. And I think the haters, hate the contract — not necessarily Drury. Again, blame the guy who offered him the contract and being paid like an elite plater doesn't make you one.

It works both ways. If Frolov scores 30+ goals this season, Sather will be lauded for the signing. And with good reason.

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It's not his fault he's making 7M a year. The general manager gave him the contract. He's being paid like an elite player — he isn't and never has been.
Is this "debate" really still going on here? I'm surprised you let them bait you into this. You're talking to a wall.

...And by the way, all of you who are in some way or another celebrating this guy's injury, you're really sickening. You're the people who turn posters into lurkers.


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09-20-2010, 04:52 PM
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Slats offered the contract. Drury signed it. He's well overpaid. But Slats is the one overpaying him. I don't recall anyone (at least not me) saying that his contract is reasonable. If I grossly overpaid my secretary, should I be surprised that after she takes more money that she's still a secretary?
Absolutely, Slats offered it...where do you think Slats got his starting numbers from? Do you think there was any communication between Slats and Drury's agent? Do you think there was any communication between Drury's agent and Drury on where they wanted to be before the start of free agency? Of course there was. Slats made sure his offer was where Drury wanted to be and Drury signed, end of story. It's not that hard.

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09-20-2010, 04:59 PM
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If Drury has played up to reasonable expectations as the apologists suggest, than why wasnt Sather torn apart after the signing??? It really just doesnt add up.

I hated the signing at the time but I didnt think it was an embarassing signing because I expected a much better player than we have seen. If I've said it once I've said it a million times - you learn more about a player in a week in your team's uniform than you would following their whole career elsewhere. What I've learned about Drury is that he has no offensive creativity (a must for elite forwards), and plays way too much of a defensive style while in no way resembling a lock-down center. You put him in third line situations against other teams third lines and hes gonna blend in. Thats a pretty big indictment of a 7 million dollar guy.

My main point here is that either you should have been KILLING KILLING KILLING the signing at the time, or you have to concede that the guy has been playing well below expectations.

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09-20-2010, 05:14 PM
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Came in a little late but yea the guys saying "Good he won't drag down the team" are clearly unknowledgable about hockey. The guys contract is terrible but unlike Redden he actually plays the game. He is a positive contributor on the ice even though it's clearly not in scoring. As long as he is a cap hit you want this guy on the ice. Maybe this is the year he fails at D too but nobody said that they thought that this was going to happen so as far as I know the guys who said that just don't get the game. Or they are being led by their emotions to make silly statements.

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09-20-2010, 05:19 PM
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Absolutely, Slats offered it...where do you think Slats got his starting numbers from? Do you think there was any communication between Slats and Drury's agent? Do you think there was any communication between Drury's agent and Drury on where they wanted to be before the start of free agency? Of course there was. Slats made sure his offer was where Drury wanted to be and Drury signed, end of story. It's not that hard.
I don't know where the number started. I know where it ended. I can't fault Drury for signing the contract. The contract had to be given for him to sign it.

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09-20-2010, 05:35 PM
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I don't know where the number started. I know where it ended. I can't fault Drury for signing the contract. The contract had to be given for him to sign it.
This argument has been beaten to death....we have stated what Drury is to this team.....an overpaid player yet still a valuable asset when healthy

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09-20-2010, 05:36 PM
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stepan centered fro and gabby= fro had hat trick

EC centered fro and gabby=scoreless

Drury OUT. Stepan a center. You do the math from here.

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09-20-2010, 05:41 PM
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The Rangers season begins in 19 days. If Drury misses up to 1 month,he'll miss a couple of games,maybe 3 games. Players on injured reserve count against the cap which is why you need to have room for injuries,call ups,trades,etc. LTI only applies to long term injuries. A player who is out for at least 24 days and misses 10 games. A team has to be at or near the upper limit and replaces the player with another player by exceeding the cap benefits from LTI.

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in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit
to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular
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addit ional Player or Players to its Act ive Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and
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Drury has a NMC. Someone please explain to our DubiDoo friend what that means in regards to Drury playing in the AHL.

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09-20-2010, 05:42 PM
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I thought about it after I wrote that and figured someone would throw out Espo, that's one, good call. You definitely could make a case for Jagr's on ice outbursts and not backing down to the rough stuff. But that comes with the territory of not only being captain but also the Ranger's top gun, something no one ever expected Drury to be for 2 or 10 million.
It miffs me in a way because I don't feel any personal animosity towards Drury and I recognize that he's still a capable NHL player albeit in a reduced role. If there was a real mistake it was Sather's. In any case it doesn't matter IMO at least for this year--he's going to be a Ranger not only because of his NMC but I doubt anyone would trade for him because of his contract--so I hope he does as well as possible but I'm not counting on him to score a lot of goals. If he can make it back into the 40's point wise I think that's about as much as we can hope for.

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09-20-2010, 06:03 PM
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stepan centered fro and gabby= fro had hat trick

EC centered fro and gabby=scoreless

Drury OUT. Stepan a center. You do the math from here.
Stepan plays with Gaborik and Frolov and Flolov registers a hat trick. Christensen plays with Gaborik and Flolov and the line is scoreless. So Drury is out. Got it. Where exactly is Drury going?

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This argument has been beaten to death....we have stated what Drury is to this team.....an overpaid player yet still a valuable asset when healthy
You're preaching to the choir. There are some, however, who think the team is better off without Drury. You know, because Drury is a joke.

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09-20-2010, 06:10 PM
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You're preaching to the choir. There are some, however, who think the team is better off without Drury. You know, because Drury is a joke.
Well, in about 19 months, the Rangers are going to have to learn to survive without him.

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The Drury hate is out of control and ridiculous. He's overpaid. He has a bad contract. But this isn't Wade Redden. Drury plays hard and is one the teams best penalty killers. He does not embarrass the team.

Dude whats the point in defending him. There will always be people on here who hate his guts for accepting a contract he was offered. The guy is vastly overpaid (obviously) but he's still a very valuable bottom 6 player and a PKer and he's our captain.

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09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
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terrible signing at the time or hes performing way below expectations.

its one or the other. problem is most of you are saying neither.

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The power play was 13th in the league last year without much of Drury. It was 8th back-to-back years before he got here.

Everybody like to blame Torts for his drop in production, but let's not forget that Drury was not a good ES player last year either.

The power play is no longer a problem. Keep Drury the hell away from it. The coaching staff shouldnt sacrifice continuity and production so Drury can boost his end-of-year stats.

Score at even strength, Chris. That's all I want.
I really hope you're not inferring that Drury was a detriment to the PP. The guy led the team in PPG's in 07-08, and 08-09. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that adding Prospal, Gaborik, and Del Zotto to the PP was a heck of a lot more significant than removing Drury from it.

The guy has made a living scoring PP goals, or complementing the talent around him. Like it or not, it's a poor utilization of a player. Hell, even Ron Wilson had enough sense to use him around the net on the PP during the Olympics.

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I really hope you're not inferring that Drury was a detriment to the PP. The guy led the team in PPG's in 07-08, and 08-09. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that adding Prospal, Gaborik, and Del Zotto to the PP was a heck of a lot more significant than removing Drury from it.

The guy has made a living scoring PP goals, or complementing the talent around him. Like it or not, it's a poor utilization of a player. Hell, even Ron Wilson had enough sense to use him around the net on the PP during the Olympics.
Bingo. The powerplay is where a player like Drury can shine. Hockey smarts can payoff in any special teams situation. You can take a very talented player and put him on the PP, but if he has **** for a hockey IQ, he wont do much.

Oh, and aside from that: he was the best faceoff man on the team. Winning that first faceoff on the PP can be pretty game-changing.

edit: intangibles ?

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terrible signing at the time or hes performing way below expectations.

its one or the other. problem is most of you are saying neither.

The player that Drury was statistically from 05-07 was a player you would expect to pay $7MM for on the open market. However, when you look at the body of work, it should be fairly obvious that much of his production was a result of the team he was on. He's a career 20-25 goal scorer that plays a very good defensive game and provides leadership. Just because Sather paid him like a superstar doesn't take anything away from that.

Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Does he deserve anywhere close to the amount of **** he gets? Hell ****ing no. All I see are people saying that his contract is dragging us into the ground, but why in God's name would anyone want to give Sather $7MM of cap room when he's the one that gave out the contract in the first place?

Some people clearly cannot look beyond the contract. It's really that simple sometimes.

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09-20-2010, 07:54 PM
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The player that Drury was statistically from 05-07 was a player you would expect to pay $7MM for on the open market. However, when you look at the body of work, it should be fairly obvious that much of his production was a result of the team he was on. He's a career 20-25 goal scorer that plays a very good defensive game and provides leadership. Just because Sather paid him like a superstar doesn't take anything away from that.

Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Does he deserve anywhere close to the amount of **** he gets? Hell ****ing no. All I see are people saying that his contract is dragging us into the ground, but why in God's name would anyone want to give Sather $7MM of cap room when he's the one that gave out the contract in the first place?

Some people clearly cannot look beyond the contract. It's really that simple sometimes.

So are you saying that when you learned of the signing you said WTF?

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I don't like the contract, but the Rangers are definitely not as good without him.

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I don't like the contract, but the Rangers are definitely not as good without him.
Not gonna argue that, although as i posted earlier there are roughly 10 guys that would be harder to replace simply for this year. So I'm not gonna get down about him missing 5 games


Only beef is that people who supported the signing back when it happened are now saying Drury is both playing at his expected level and is overpaid. Its literally impossible for all of these things to be in conjunction. There is a logic breakdown and i feel like im the only one using logic.

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I really hope you're not inferring that Drury was a detriment to the PP. The guy led the team in PPG's in 07-08, and 08-09. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that adding Prospal, Gaborik, and Del Zotto to the PP was a heck of a lot more significant than removing Drury from it.

The guy has made a living scoring PP goals, or complementing the talent around him. Like it or not, it's a poor utilization of a player. Hell, even Ron Wilson had enough sense to use him around the net on the PP during the Olympics.

How Drury should be utilized offensively is one of the smallest concerns for this team right now.

I'm sorry that his fan club is upset at his dwindling offensive numbers, but there are at least six players above him on the depth chart who can make or break this team being successful from an offensive standpoint.

Drury is getting old and won't magically regain his scoring touch. It happened to Trevor Linden. It happened to Steve Yzerman. It happened to Mike Modano.

Focus on what he offers the club. and what the club needs. The club doesnt need a power play specialist. They need good even strength play and strong defense from their bottom six.

But the power play should not be a concern. There is no reason to put Drury back on the PP when there are better players suited for it.

You keep harping on the drop in stats because of his PP TOI, but nary a mention of his ES numbers.

Last year was clearly Drury's best season defensively since he got here. He won more big draws in his own end than the year before (almost 50 percent), and blocked more shots than any other season as a Ranger.

It's no surprise that Drury's defensive game improved after his responsibilities on offense were decreased.

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terrible signing at the time or hes performing way below expectations.

its one or the other. problem is most of you are saying neither.
It's not. He's certainly overpaid. Has he under performed? Certainly last year he did. His first two seasons here were typical Chris Drury years.

But tell me, who here is saying it wasn't a terrible signing? It is. That doesn't make Drury "a joke".

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i am a drury fan and i love it when he plays well but i hate it when people say its all sathers fault dont be upset with drury. sather may be the one who overpaid for drury but drury knows how much money he is making and he hasn't earned that 7 mil. not one bit of it. he really should probably make 2 mil a year based on his perfomance. i absolutly hate sather and i know he is responsible for the contract, but sather is not the one performing on the ice. which is why i completly understand why fans might dislike drury.

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