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What's up with Marc-Andre Bergeron? Why no NHL tryout at least?

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09-21-2010, 01:52 PM
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What's up with Marc-Andre Bergeron? Why no NHL tryout at least?

What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.

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What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.
He had a knee operation and will be out another month or so. I think at that point somebody with a need on the PP will sign him and send him to the AHL for a few weeks.

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What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.
He is no PP QB. He can't make a pass to save his life. He is a turnover threat everytime the puck is in his possession. He is a pure shooter, that's it. He has a great and accurate shot but no other NHL qualities.

The guy is 30 years old, he won't get better defensively especially since he has none of the tools needed. He isn't a good skater, he has abysmal hockey sense and he is very weak on his skates. Add to that the fact that he is a midget...

He probably would have cracked a roster somewhere if not if his injury though, even if he is a terrible hockey player he still puts up points on the PP. However, keep in mind that if Andrei Markov wasn't injured on the first game of the season last year, he wouldn't have gotten an NHL contract.

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What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.
There's his problem.

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No injuries on D... thats why.

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My assumption is the rest of the league saw him get bowled over by Mike Richards
in the ECF.

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He sucks. Not sure how much better he got since he was on the Islanders, but he was so bad I can't even express it in words.

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I watched him in the playoffs last year and my god....he was giving the puck away on the powerplay.

If Markov was not injured, I would have been surprised to see him on the ice against Philly and Pitt

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his league worst -11 in the playoffs might have a teeny tiny bit to do with it

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What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.
he doesn't belong in NHL.

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he is a poor powerplay speciliast

he is horrible in own zone and is the king of the bad pass

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SPHL-quality defensive ability
AHL-quality offensive ability
NHL-quality slapshot (which in itself is a stretch because those howitzers rarely hit net)

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What's the deal with D MA Bergeron? I would think someone would have invited him to an NHL camp (please correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that he still sitting by the phone).

I understand his defensive ability has been lacking, but he has offensive talent and you think that alone would at the very least warrant a tryout to see if maybe he has his defensive game put together (finally).

Seems like he'd be a dirt cheap PP QB. Low (no) risk, medium - high reward.

Can anyone explain? Thanks.
Because he's worse than anyone on your team by a mile.

The guy can't handle a puck or receive a pass, so unless giving up shorthanded breakaways is "low risk" to you, you obviously haven't had the displeasure of watching him as much as I have.

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Wow! I can't believe Montreal fans hate MAB so much. He had half the amount of give aways as Spacek, Hamrlik, and Gill had in almost as many games.
He's a good 5/6 dman who should never be played on the PK, and sheltered minutes ES. He also had more than double the goals of Hamrlik and only missed the net 5 more times.

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if you give M-A Bergeron 1st unit PP time + 6-7 minutes at even strenght against 3rd and 4th liners then he will be a bleessing for your team by scoring 15 goals and getting 30 to 40 points.

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Wow! I can't believe Montreal fans hate MAB so much. He had half the amount of give aways as Spacek, Hamrlik, and Gill had in almost as many games.
He's a good 5/6 dman who should never be played on the PK, and sheltered minutes ES. He also had more than double the goals of Hamrlik and only missed the net 5 more times.
And how much time did he spend on the ice?

MAB has no contract because he is worthless. Sure he can rock a shot from the blueline however he will cost you about seven. The guy cannot pass to save his life, is a pylon when up against top line offense and a horrid liability in his own zone a large portion of the time. He has his moments and for league minimum, sure he could be useful. Thing is, he is not essential and frankly for most teams, not worth the gamble.

You guys have no idea how much us Hab fans were practically shaking in the playoffs whenever MAB stepped on the ice. The guy is scary in the worst way possible.

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And how much time did he spend on the ice?

MAB has no contract because he is worthless. Sure he can rock a shot from the blueline however he will cost you about seven. The guy cannot pass to save his life, is a pylon when up against top line offense and a horrid liability in his own zone a large portion of the time. He has his moments and for league minimum, sure he could be useful. Thing is, he is not essential and frankly for most teams, not worth the gamble.

You guys have no idea how much us Hab fans were practically shaking in the playoffs whenever MAB stepped on the ice. The guy is scary in the worst way possible.
A very empathetic Oiler fan here. MAB...Welcome to Russia.

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Wow! I can't believe Montreal fans hate MAB so much. He had half the amount of give aways as Spacek, Hamrlik, and Gill had in almost as many games.
He's a good 5/6 dman who should never be played on the PK, and sheltered minutes ES. He also had more than double the goals of Hamrlik and only missed the net 5 more times.
Consider time on ice...

Hamrlik played 20+ minutes almost every game, up to 25+ when Markov was injured. Spacek played between 18 and 22 minutes every game, same with Gill. MAB would rarely get more than 10. At most (in our most desperate times) he'd get 18, if I remember correctly. MAB was even played as a 7th d-man/forward sometimes, getting ice time only on the powerplay.

The problem with MAB is in his head. Some games he can be decent defensively and his slapshots always hit the net. Most of the time however he's prone to make bonehead plays. Lack of confidence perhaps, which is bound to happen when you are like 5'10'' facing 6'4'' mastondonts in the NHL. He's also clearly not the brightest fellow, or at least that's what I gather from his interviews in french.

The worst thing is that at some point last season he actually became overconfident, and his play got even worst! He'd start playing like Markov and cause a zillion turnovers on powerplays... He had me screaming at the TV : ''stop passing, stop deking, just EFFING SHOOT THE PUCK. its your one and only job!''.

Oh and he's a terrible skater also for his size. He could have been a fairly decent player if he were faster as it could have given him a chance to redeem himself in case he adventures too far in the o-zone at the wrong time or forgets about positioning. It would also allow him to recover the puck in the corner before being leveled and outmuscled by just about anyone.

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Because he is so, so bad at hockey.

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You guys have no idea how much us Hab fans were practically shaking in the playoffs whenever MAB stepped on the ice. The guy is scary in the worst way possible.
"Dangerous at both ends of the ice".

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And how much time did he spend on the ice?

MAB has no contract because he is worthless. Sure he can rock a shot from the blueline however he will cost you about seven. The guy cannot pass to save his life, is a pylon when up against top line offense and a horrid liability in his own zone a large portion of the time. He has his moments and for league minimum, sure he could be useful. Thing is, he is not essential and frankly for most teams, not worth the gamble.

You guys have no idea how much us Hab fans were practically shaking in the playoffs whenever MAB stepped on the ice. The guy is scary in the worst way possible.
Exactly correct. Bergeron is one of three guys I give the most credit to for Carolina winning the cup in 2006. As the oposition.

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He has an NHL slapshot, AHL speed and everything else is borderline AHLer material.

However, his slapshot is what, top 5 in the league ?

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if you give M-A Bergeron 1st unit PP time + 6-7 minutes at even strenght against 3rd and 4th liners then he will be a bleessing for your team by scoring 15 goals and getting 30 to 40 points.
The catch is, if you give just about *ANY* talented-ish high-level professional hockey player 1st unit PP time, they will probably get at least some decent percentage of those 15 goals and 30 to 40 points. Most organizations have some kid in the minors or some other journeyman they could stick out on the PP. Or you could play your Hamrlik/Spacek type and take some reduction (10 goals and 28 points???) while at the same time not having to worry about the ES and situational useage in the least.

Bergeron is better than most on the PP. It is very debateable whether that's good enough to offset the other weaknesses in his game. I think the consensus (including 30 NHL GMs) is that he's not.

However, I still don't get why teams don't seem to want to convert him to a forward who plays the point on the PP.

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MAB is not signed for the same reason Jason Allison wasn't signed by anybody after an almost PPG season with the Leafs (60pts in 66 games).

He's just too much of a specialist and only do one thing well which is not enough to compensate of his lack of skills in pretty much all other facets of the game. I do think he would have been given a tryout by a team if not injured though.

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