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09-23-2010, 01:36 AM
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Wow, Richards has been totally flying under my radar. I guess it was because Stars have been pretty average if not bad in the last few years. But Richard just tied his best pt season with 91.

I highly doubt the Stars will let him walk or trade him.
they usually wouldn't but with their owner situation up in the air they are on a budget and may not be able to afford him

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09-23-2010, 01:54 AM
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Drury has a NMC, no dice.
Don't confuse the Deb fan hater....

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The early line on July 1, 2010...

Pending UFA 1C/2Cs:

those on teams with no material ownership issues:
1C - Thornton, Joe F 31 SAN $7,200,000 2011 (UFA) - most likely re-signed
2C - Bergeron, P. F 25 BOS $4,750,000 2011 (UFA) - most likely re-signed
2C - Connolly, Tim F 29 BUF $4,500,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed
2C - Arnott, Jason F 35 NJD $4,500,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed
2C - Handzus, Michal F 33 LAK $4,000,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed


those on teams with material ownership issues:
1C - Richards, Brad F 30 DAL $7,800,000 2011 (UFA) - 50/50 re-signed
2C - Backes, David F 26 STL $2,500,000 2011 (UFA) - 50/50 re-signed


Teams in the Hunt for a:

1C (ie, Richards)
  1. DAL (internal option: Benn/Ribeiro)
  2. NYR (internal option: Anisimov/Stepan)
  3. TOR (internal option: Kadri/Bozak)
  4. CGY (internal option: Backlund)
  5. CBJ (internal option: Brassard/Johansen)
  6. FLA (internal option: Frolik)
  7. PHX (internal option: Wolski/Turris)

2C (ie, Backes)
  1. STL (internal option: Berglund/Steen/McDonald)
  2. WSH (internal option: Perrault/Johansson)
  3. LA (internal option: Schenn)
  4. CAR (internal option: Sutter)
  5. ANA (internal option: Ryan)

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09-23-2010, 01:58 AM
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Lecavalier and Richards played on the same line in juniors. The Lightning have more than enough room to sign him. Even if you consider a Stamkos raise.
This, tampa has set themselves up very nicely with the cap, if brad can come back to the lightning for 4.5m~.

I would kill to see brad back on the point of that lightning power play.

Stamkos-Lecavalier-St.louis
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09-23-2010, 02:15 AM
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The early line on July 1, 2010...

Pending UFA 1C/2Cs:

those on teams with no material ownership issues:
1C - Thornton, Joe F 31 SAN $7,200,000 2011 (UFA) - most likely re-signed
2C - Bergeron, P. F 25 BOS $4,750,000 2011 (UFA) - most likely re-signed
2C - Connolly, Tim F 29 BUF $4,500,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed
2C - Arnott, Jason F 35 NJD $4,500,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed
2C - Handzus, Michal F 33 LAK $4,000,000 2011 (UFA) - likely re-signed


those on teams with material ownership issues:
1C - Richards, Brad F 30 DAL $7,800,000 2011 (UFA) - 50/50 re-signed
2C - Backes, David F 26 STL $2,500,000 2011 (UFA) - 50/50 re-signed


Teams in the Hunt for a:

1C (ie, Richards)
  1. DAL (internal option: Benn/Ribeiro)
  2. NYR (internal option: Anisimov/Stepan)
  3. TOR (internal option: Kadri/Bozak)
  4. CGY (internal option: Backlund)
  5. CBJ (internal option: Brassard/Johansen)
  6. FLA (internal option: Frolik)
  7. PHX (internal option: Wolski/Turris)

2C (ie, Backes)
  1. STL (internal option: Berglund/Steen/McDonald)
  2. WSH (internal option: Perrault/Johansson)
  3. LA (internal option: Schenn)
  4. CAR (internal option: Sutter)
  5. ANA (internal option: Ryan)

you should add Toronto to the backes list to Burke is a big fan of him

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09-23-2010, 02:24 AM
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Is 5 mill x5 years to little for him on the open market? Just trying to think of deals now with no artificial way of lowering the cap hit now.

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09-23-2010, 02:32 AM
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Is 5 mill x5 years to little for him on the open market? Just trying to think of deals now with no artificial way of lowering the cap hit now.
you MIGHT get him for 6 on the open market but try closer to 7

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a friend pointed out to me a good comparable in Patrick Marleau. Very similar levels of production (If Richards has another 1.00+ ppg year) although Richards is more of a playmaker and Marleau is more of a goal scorer. Marleau took a four year deal for 6,900,000 a year.

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Put me on record for this. Richards will be one or two things by the start of next season. A star or a Bolt. Personally I would love him to come back and center Malone and Vinny. That line would be epic.

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09-23-2010, 08:39 AM
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Put me on record for this. Richards will be one or two things by the start of next season. A star or a Bolt. Personally I would love him to come back and center Malone and Vinny. That line would be epic.
If Richards goes to the Bolts, They are going to be in real cap hell in 2 or 3 years with a bunch of contracts that they can't move. Stamkos and Hedman are going to get raises, you'll need another million or two for goalies and Connelly will need to be paid.

In 2 years, you will still owe 3 aging players, Vinny, Richards and St. Louis over $100 million in contracts. Good luck with that.

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09-23-2010, 09:09 AM
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they usually wouldn't but with their owner situation up in the air they are on a budget and may not be able to afford him
And in real dollars, right now, they've re-signed most of their youth, have Richards pencilled in at $7.8 million a year, and they're still around their $45 million internal cap. They don't need to shed money and they certainly won't be shedding their most proven forward on the cheap.

Besides that, everyone from Tom Hicks, to Gary Bettman, to Joe Nieuwendyk, to any pundit you'd like have said they expect the sale done long before the end of the season. There is no glaring financial problem in Dallas any more.

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09-23-2010, 10:29 AM
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If Richards goes to the Bolts, They are going to be in real cap hell in 2 or 3 years with a bunch of contracts that they can't move. Stamkos and Hedman are going to get raises, you'll need another million or two for goalies and Connelly will need to be paid.

In 2 years, you will still owe 3 aging players, Vinny, Richards and St. Louis over $100 million in contracts. Good luck with that.
Connolly won't be looking at a new contract in that timeframe. That'll be a bit later.

Don't know why you're mentioning Vinny, Richards, and St. Louis in "aging player contracts". As much as you don't want to admit it, St. Louis isn't slowing down and Richards doesn't even play for us. As doom and gloom as you're trying to make it, its very possible.

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09-23-2010, 11:03 AM
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I Wouldn't count Washington out. A lot of people have him pegged as a deadline deal for that 2C slot. If they allow Semin to walk, they would certainly have the cap space.
Agree disagree. Richards at the trade deadline makes a lot of sense. You can see McPhee setting the table for that. He has more than enough cap space to trade for a salary as large as Richards. He is going with at least one rookie and/or natural winger at center which creates an opening for Richards to slot right in. The Capitals system is STACKED with quality prospects which is what Dallas would be wanting in return.

So, Richards at the trade deadline works perfectly. Keeping him beyond that, though, makes no sense. Richards is a #1 center with a #1 center salary. The Caps have Backstrom. Richards primary production comes from playing left point on the power play. That is Ovechkin's position and Backstrom is not going to split his PP time even with someone like Richards. With Johansson penciled in long term as the Caps 2C, there isnt room for Richards there anyway.

So, Richards at the trade deadline: Yes. Perfect fit for what the Capitals need.
Long term extension: No, no fit at all.

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09-23-2010, 12:00 PM
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Assuming he hits UFA I can see the Leafs being very interested unless both Kadri and Bozak have monster season (about a .000000000000001% chance of that).

His paycheck will really depend on what he does this year. If he duplicates last year and throw up 90 points he'll get a 4-6 year deal worth 6-7/year. If he drops back down to the 70pts/year pace he was on the previous two year I could see 3-5 years for ~5M
I mostly agree with this. My current guess is 5.5 hit for 6 years.

Stars sign him unless he gets a serious injury. I have a feeling that the Dallas Stars' decision to host camp (aka the Brad Richards show) in PEI and the great deed Brad did locally in PEI will influence both the Stars organization and Brad Richards to remain an item.

Why else would they host camp in PEI, if not for Richards?

Why would the Stars let go of their top scorer who happens to be a character guy, when all Nieuwendyk does is preach the idea of building around character?... the very same reason (plus he's actually a very good hockey player) Barch, Ott and Burish were extended deals.

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Whatever happens, he's going to make bank. It might not be a huge long-term deal, in the new climate, but it's likely to include a huge front-loaded component of $10M in the first couple of years, and probably represent a $7M+ cap hit. Demand will be off the charts. Hopefully Dallas can make it work.

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Dallas would be foolish to let him walk. I see him re-upping for 3-4 years.

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Agree disagree. Richards at the trade deadline makes a lot of sense. You can see McPhee setting the table for that. He has more than enough cap space to trade for a salary as large as Richards. He is going with at least one rookie and/or natural winger at center which creates an opening for Richards to slot right in. The Capitals system is STACKED with quality prospects which is what Dallas would be wanting in return.

So, Richards at the trade deadline works perfectly. Keeping him beyond that, though, makes no sense. Richards is a #1 center with a #1 center salary. The Caps have Backstrom. Richards primary production comes from playing left point on the power play. That is Ovechkin's position and Backstrom is not going to split his PP time even with someone like Richards. With Johansson penciled in long term as the Caps 2C, there isnt room for Richards there anyway.

So, Richards at the trade deadline: Yes. Perfect fit for what the Capitals need.
Long term extension: No, no fit at all.
So theoretically, Dallas is out of it at the deadline and hasnt signed richards, whats your best offer from washington?

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He said he wants to stay. Apparently just waiting for the ownership situation to get sorted out so they know what the budget is moving forward.

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So theoretically, Dallas is out of it at the deadline and hasnt signed richards, whats your best offer from washington?
susanna hoffs...oh the good ole days. the capitals have a pile of nhl ready to near nhl ready prospects and recently drafted prospects as yet unsigned. the caps can trade from that resource.

its hard to say today which of those assets would have the most value after 3/4 of another season of developement has passed nor have I a clue what dallas needs.

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susanna hoffs...oh the good ole days. the capitals have a pile of nhl ready to near nhl ready prospects and recently drafted prospects as yet unsigned. the caps can trade from that resource.

its hard to say today which of those assets would have the most value after 3/4 of another season of developement has passed nor have I a clue what dallas needs.
The only ones Dallas would be interested in are Carlson or Alzner I would assume and any other trade wouldn't be worth it. If this wasn't available I could see Dallas trading with LA instead and picking up one of Hickey, Teubert, Voynov, or Forbort.

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Welcome to Toronto, Brad.

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So theoretically, Dallas is out of it at the deadline and hasnt signed richards, whats your best offer from washington?
Precedence (Kovalchuk trade) suggests the framework will be:
-one ELC NHLer
-one somewhat overpaid but serviceable NHLer
-one prospect
-one draft pick

Of course, Richards is not Kovy, and so DAL may only end up getting three out of the above four components. How does that translate into a hypothetical scenario? Something like this IMO from NYR for instance...

F Artem Anisimov (ELC NHLer)
D Michal Rozsival (somewhat overpaid but serviceable NHLer)
F Christian Thomas (prospect)

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Precedence (Kovalchuk trade) suggests the framework will be:
-one ELC NHLer
-one somewhat overpaid but serviceable NHLer
-one prospect
-one draft pick

Of course, Richards is not Kovy, and so DAL may only end up getting three out of the above four components. How does that translate into a hypothetical scenario? Something like this IMO from NYR for instance...

F Artem Anisimov (ELC NHLer)
D Michal Rozsival (somewhat overpaid but serviceable NHLer)
F Christian Thomas (prospect)
Nah. There will be better offers filling more needs.

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Garuntee he'll be traded at the deadline, doesn't want out just will not be playing for Dallas next season, cause Dallas I think will suck next season so he'll go to a playoff team at the deadline is what I think will happen.

I can see him going to St. Louis, Calgary, Minnesota, LA and Vancouver. Not saying he'll go to a good team if hes traded.

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