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09-22-2010, 02:59 PM
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Columbus-Dallas (Mid season)

If the Stars struggle a bit and the Jackets show signs of being in the playoff race would this trade make sense

To Stars
C Derick Brassard

To Blue Jackets
C Brad Richards

Jackets get a #1 C while the Stars pickup a young C to go with there young forwards moving forward

I think the Jackets could get Richards resigned longterm and he could be a great setup man for Nash

Anyone see something like this possibly happening?

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Columbus is willing to take a gamble with Richards, and is okay with the possibility of loosing Brassard for nothing? I would think that if the Stars are out of playoff contention and haven't talked about an extension with Richards then this would almost be an automatic yes.

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No, the Jackets wouldn't risk losing Brassard to get the possibility of a long term Brad Richards on the decline.

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i think in theory it would work if dallas cant get him to resign but can colombus take on that much salary? im not going to pretend to know both teams because i dont but the jackets upgrade their center position and bring in a fantastic center and the stars lose salary and take back a great young center.

it would suck if the jackets lost brassard and richards didnt re-sign though.

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Yes, and I feel if the Jackets wanted to they could resign him. They were one of the teams he was willing to go to at the trade deadline.

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Wasn't Richards supposed to be a Blue Jacket, then Tampa basically screwed them over and traded him to Dallas?

If that's true, what was the package going back to Tampa? Couldn't have been anything good considering what they got in the first place.

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Wasn't Richards supposed to be a Blue Jacket, then Tampa basically screwed them over and traded him to Dallas?

If that's true, what was the package going back to Tampa? Couldn't have been anything good considering what they got in the first place.
This is a new one. I've heard of him supposedly going to Vancouver but never that it was Columbus, and definitely never that it was all but done until Tampa backed out and "screwed" Richards by going to Dallas. Btw, that last phrase is ridiculous. Tampa screwed Richards all the way to an immediate trip to the Conference Finals.

Say what you will about the lack of success in Dallas the last couple of seasons (of which Richards is not devoid of responsibility), but in the longrun Dallas as a franchise has proven to be capable of winning to a degree that Columbus wishes they could get to.

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This is a new one. I've heard of him supposedly going to Vancouver but never that it was Columbus, and definitely never that it was all but done until Tampa backed out and "screwed" Richards by going to Dallas. Btw, that last phrase is ridiculous. Tampa screwed Richards all the way to an immediate trip to the Conference Finals.

Say what you will about the lack of success in Dallas the last couple of seasons (of which Richards is not devoid of responsibility), but in the longrun Dallas as a franchise has proven to be capable of winning to a degree that Columbus wishes they could get to.
He's not saying Tampa screwed Richards. He's saying Tampa screwed Columbus. They had 3 deals on the table; one from Dallas, one from Columbus, and one from Vancouver, and all 3 city's outlets were reporting they were close. Tampa decided Smith was the best piece they were going to get and traded Richards to Dallas. No need for the hostility

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As for the deal... I mean, I wouldn't hate it, but I'd rather see if the Stars can get a high end defensive prospect like Moore

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I just don't see the Stars trading Brad Richards. He's only 30, he has good chemistry to mentor the young guns, and there's a new owner coming in. I'm sure they'll work it out.

Also, I think part of the scenario when Tampa was trading him, if I'm not mistaken, was that he actually accepted a trade to Dallas, but I'm not sure he would have to some of the other rumoured destinations.

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This is a new one. I've heard of him supposedly going to Vancouver but never that it was Columbus, and definitely never that it was all but done until Tampa backed out and "screwed" Richards by going to Dallas. Btw, that last phrase is ridiculous. Tampa screwed Richards all the way to an immediate trip to the Conference Finals.

Say what you will about the lack of success in Dallas the last couple of seasons (of which Richards is not devoid of responsibility), but in the longrun Dallas as a franchise has proven to be capable of winning to a degree that Columbus wishes they could get to.
Wow, you can't read. Richards wasn't the one getting screwed. Also it should be noted that EVERY franchise is capable of winning. Just some have as of late and some haven't.

Anyways, I do feel that this would be a good trade midseason if Brassard were having another mediocre year and Dallas was pretty far out of playoff contention. I would be fairly confident in Howson's ability to re-sign Richards since Columbus was one of the cities (as mentioned before) that Richards was willing to go to.

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He's not saying Tampa screwed Richards. He's saying Tampa screwed Columbus. They had 3 deals on the table; one from Dallas, one from Columbus, and one from Vancouver, and all 3 city's outlets were reporting they were close. Tampa decided Smith was the best piece they were going to get and traded Richards to Dallas. No need for the hostility
Out of curiousity, do you know what the trades were?

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Columbus had the final say whether or not he would be a Blue Jacket. Tampa wanted a goalie and gave Columbus the final shot to match the Dallas offer, but Columbus wouldn't add Leclaire or Mason. Mason was the future and Leclaire was supposed to be the present for the next 3-4 years. Looking back now, you absolutely make that trade, but 20-20 right.

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This is a new one. I've heard of him supposedly going to Vancouver but never that it was Columbus, and definitely never that it was all but done until Tampa backed out and "screwed" Richards by going to Dallas. Btw, that last phrase is ridiculous. Tampa screwed Richards all the way to an immediate trip to the Conference Finals.

Say what you will about the lack of success in Dallas the last couple of seasons (of which Richards is not devoid of responsibility), but in the longrun Dallas as a franchise has proven to be capable of winning to a degree that Columbus wishes they could get to.
No, it was Columbus who had the chance to match any offer.

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Even if Richards departs, Dallas won't be looking for a C. The whole reason that we were shopping Riberio this offseason was because the organization is high on Benn playing Center, and we have a logjam already. If we do trade Richards at the deadline it'll be for picks and high end D prospects, I'd hope.

Also doesn't Brassard HATE James Neal? Or is that another Jacket?

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Even if Richards departs, Dallas won't be looking for a C. The whole reason that we were shopping Riberio this offseason was because the organization is high on Benn playing Center, and we have a logjam already. If we do trade Richards at the deadline it'll be for picks and high end D prospects, I'd hope.

Also doesn't Brassard HATE James Neal? Or is that another Jacket?
Dorsett hates..HATES Neal. I haven't heard Brassard say anything bad about Neal.

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Dorsett hates..HATES Neal. I haven't heard Brassard say anything bad about Neal.
There you go. I knew it was one of the Jackets Neal had had interactions with. I knew Brassard threw his shoulder fighting Neal in '08, and Dorsett was the guy Neal boarded last season. Makes sense.

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There you go. I knew it was one of the Jackets Neal had had interactions with. I knew Brassard threw his shoulder fighting Neal in '08, and Dorsett was the guy Neal boarded last season. Makes sense.
Allow for me to clarify:
Boll - Close friends with Neal.
Dorsett - Hates Neal.
Brassard - Afraid of Neal.

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Allow for me to clarify:
Boll - Close friends with Neal.
Dorsett - Hates Neal.
Brassard - Afraid of Neal.
The many sides of James Neal.

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Richards +Nash.....I'd KILL to see that combo.

Say what you want about Richards being overpaid, but he's still one of the premier playmakers in the league and could get Nash to score 50 Goals and finally break out.

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Presumably this is labeled "mid-season" to allow for whether or not Dallas is in the playoff picture or not. But of course that brings into the mix the possibility that Brassard might start playing like the player he was drafted to be. (The likelihood of that can be debated, I suppose - personally I'm going to have to be convinced - but for the sake of this discussion...)

Stupid variables. Stupid human element.

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Nope.

Injury quashed season followed by a 9 goaler for a career .91 PPG center, whose only been below 60 points 1 season where he played 56 games. Richards has amazing durability minus the 56 game season in 2008/09. A decline for him is the point production Nash just had this season. You need to add, or bring the big LW/RWer into the talk. Richards is not old at 30 he's under 4 years older than Nash and on the average plays more games per year than him and puts up more points.

So Brunnstrom (he had a good first year and is younger too) for Nash anyone?

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Richards is a very complete player. I don't care what guys the Stars have coming up through the system. If they lose Richards they're going to take a step back for a few seasons. Highly under rated player IMO.

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Nope.

Injury quashed season followed by a 9 goaler for a career .91 PPG center, whose only been below 60 points 1 season where he played 56 games. Richards has amazing durability minus the 56 game season in 2008/09. A decline for him is the point production Nash just had this season. You need to add, or bring the big LW/RWer into the talk. Richards is not old at 30 he's under 4 years older than Nash and on the average plays more games per year than him and puts up more points.

So Brunnstrom (he had a good first year and is younger too) for Nash anyone?
Hmmm... obsessive love of Richards, complete outright dismissal of Brassard, subtle unnecessary jab at Nash... TW? Is that you?

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So Brunnstrom (he had a good first year and is younger too) for Nash anyone?
I think you're in denial about the fact that Dallas may be looking at moving Richards due to his cost and age. It's a hypothetical thread where Dallas is struggling or out of the playoffs and are looking to move Richards at the trade deadline.


Plus, what would be the point of trading Nash to acquire Richards? We're not after Richards for Richards' sake, we're after him so he can set up Nash.


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Wow, you can't read. Richards wasn't the one getting screwed. Also it should be noted that EVERY franchise is capable of winning. Just some have as of late and some haven't.
My bad. I did misread that.

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He's not saying Tampa screwed Richards. He's saying Tampa screwed Columbus. They had 3 deals on the table; one from Dallas, one from Columbus, and one from Vancouver, and all 3 city's outlets were reporting they were close. Tampa decided Smith was the best piece they were going to get and traded Richards to Dallas. No need for the hostility
I obviously misread the post I was quoting. For that I'm sorry. Taken in context of what I thought I read though my statement wasn't particularly hostile. My bad folks.

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Columbus had the final say whether or not he would be a Blue Jacket. Tampa wanted a goalie and gave Columbus the final shot to match the Dallas offer, but Columbus wouldn't add Leclaire or Mason. Mason was the future and Leclaire was supposed to be the present for the next 3-4 years. Looking back now, you absolutely make that trade, but 20-20 right.

No, it was Columbus who had the chance to match any offer.
Fair enough. If this were the case then it wasn't exactly like Tampa screwed Columbus. Tampa asked for something Columbus didn't want to part with.

This may be an exercise in semantics, but if Tampa had a list of demands and Columbus simply didn't want to comply with those demands, then ultimately Tampa had the final say over where Richards was going.

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