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10-06-2011, 10:26 PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=377560

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The Halifax Consciousness Scanner, developed by Mindful Scientific Inc. in conjunction with scientists at the National Research Council of Canada, analyzes brainwaves to determine whether a player has suffered a concussion from a fall or hit to the head.

But the device — a miniaturized form of EEG, or electroencephalogram — isn't intended only for NHL players, said Chris Barden, the company's chief operating officer.

The scan could be employed at the sidelines of any high-impact sporting event, whether the players are children, amateurs or pros, as well as in hospital emergency rooms or at the site of a car crash involving a suspected head injury, he said.
Could get through testing and be in use by 2013 (in Canada).


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All 30 NHL team neuropsych personnel met in Chi yesterday. Talked concussion protocol, testing and ways to reduce head injuries.
NHL and NHLPA also attended neuropsych mtng. Noted a major transformation over past 15 years in awareness of seriousness of head injuries.

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BretHedican 7:26am via Web One of the major reasons why checking was taken out of peewee hockey in the USA. nationwidechildrens.org/concussions

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http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=379494

NFL tells officials to be looking for concussion symptoms.

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http://www.defendingbigd.com/2011/11...ch-tau-protein

Stars blogger with a primer on CTE as well as referencing a couple of recent reports.

Warns that "internet research" may not give folks a good background to understand all the nuances of brain injuries, CTE and concussions (and what's an assumption/hypothesis, observed situations, etc.).

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From today's Murky News:

Stanford football team players in high-tech concussion study

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When a hard-driving Oregon State cornerback slammed into Stanford's standout receiver Chris Owusu on Saturday, the helmet-to-helmet hit gave Owusu his third concussion in 13 months.

But this time, Owusu's high-tech mouth guard recorded the force of the hit, how hard he hit the ground and how much his brain twisted inside his skull.

The Stanford senior and 19 teammates this season began using the special mouthpieces with sensors that measure the force of head movement -- the beginning of an urgent study into the growing phenomena of head injuries plaguing contact sports from high school to the pros.

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Wireless transmitters in the mouth guards send the force data to sideline monitors for addition to a database that will support research into safety and prevention. The system is not set up for immediate analysis on the field.

Stanford is the first university in the nation to conduct field research with the mouth guard at the college level. This new study begins as concerns spread nationwide about the brain injuries that affect some 1.6 million to 3.8 million yearly who engage in sports and recreational activities.

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Stanford's research began this season with the football team.

"When they proposed the idea of having these mouthpieces, I was all for it," said Stanford safety Michael Thomas. "The guys are definitely concerned."

More players want the impact sensors, Garza said, but X2 Impact in Seattle, the company making them, can't yet meet demand. Garza expects the entire team to have them next year.

In 2012, Stanford will start studying the device with the women's field hockey and lacrosse teams.

Some NFL players also may use impact sensors next season for a study, said Kevin Guskiewicz, a sports medicine researcher and member of the NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee. In September, Guskiewicz won a $500,000 MacArthur fellowship -- the "genius grant" -- to support his research on sports-related brain injuries.

"We definitely have more demand for our gear than we can currently satisfy," said Christoph Mack, president and CEO of X2 Impact. "There's just a tremendous amount of concern and confusion about head impacts."

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If anyone knows the sting of losing a superstar player, it's Bob Clarke.

Through a tumultuous seven-year span, Clarke's Flyers dealt with the ongoing saga of Eric Lindros' concussion problems.
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But regardless of how long Lindros was kept off the ice, it didn't prevent the injuries from piling up.

"We did what the doctors told us," Clarke said. "We never asked Eric to play, to come back from injuries and stuff… if anything we kept him out longer sometimes."

It was a cautious approach on Clarke's part, but in today's NHL Clarke believes that it's the only way to ensure player safety.
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Clarke sees a need to find the root of the problem.

"I think (Shanahan) is doing the job that Bettman wants him to do, but I don't think that's going to stop the concussions," he said.

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In 2012, Stanford will start studying the device with the women's field hockey and lacrosse teams.
I fail to see how this is useful...unless there's some massive concussion epidemic in women's field hockey and lacrosse that we never heard about.

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ESPN_NHL 12:37pm via ESPN News Sidney Crosby of Pittsburgh Penguins to return Monday against New York Islanders - es.pn/uQ4Qlc




Here's hoping he never has another concussion!

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NHLPA raise the awareness of concussions.

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The NYTimes has had a lengthy 3 part series on Derek Boogard - Punched Out: The Life and Death of a Hockey Enforcer.

Derek Boogaard: A Boy Learns to Brawl
Derek Boogaard: Blood on the Ice
Derek Boogaard: A Brain ‘Going Bad’
Video: Punched Out - The Life and Death of a Hockey Enforcer

It had been speculated, but I don't recall any reports confirming it, that Boogard likely suffered from C.T.E. (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) - the Times piece confirms it.

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The Boogaard family waited for results. One month. Two. Three. Two other N.H.L. enforcers died, reportedly suicides, stoking a debate about the toll of their role in hockey.

Four months. Five. The news came in a conference call to the family in October.

Boogaard had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, commonly known as C.T.E., a close relative of Alzheimer’s disease. It is believed to be caused by repeated blows to the head. It can be diagnosed only posthumously, but scientists say it shows itself in symptoms like memory loss, impulsiveness, mood swings, even addiction.

More than 20 dead former N.F.L. players and many boxers have had C.T.E. diagnosed. It generally hollowed out the final years of their lives into something unrecognizable to loved ones.

And now, the fourth hockey player, of four examined, was found to have had it, too.

But this was different. The others were not in their 20s, not in the prime of their careers.

The scientists on the far end of the conference call told the Boogaard family that they were shocked to see so much damage in someone so young. It appeared to be spreading through his brain. Had Derek Boogaard lived, they said, his condition likely would have worsened into middle-age dementia.

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Honestly, the much more damning thing about the NYT article to me is how the Rangers (and to a much lesser extent, the Wild) mismanaged a player with a known substance abuse issue. Writing more prescriptions for painkillers, NYR doctors? Stupid.

The CTE stuff cannot be tied to the substance abuse (which started before he became a full-time hockey goon, since the story says he abused alcohol as a teenager), and the substance abuse can theoretically explain the chances to his brain, though because there have been no control or other studies on CTE in the general population, we know next to nothing about it despite what BU says.

So given that, the biggest thing in the article is that the NHL needs to take a stern look at it's substance abuse system and figure out how to police teams that knowingly enable abuse through poor control of their team doctors.

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Bettman: not enough evidence to link concussions and degenerative brain aliment

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After reading the NYT article, I wouldn't have a problem with a ban on fighting.

I remember reading a Sports Illustrated article in... must have been about 1996, that said many of the league's goons have drug and alcohol problems because they can't handle the stress of that they have to do. Shame that nothing seems to have changed since then.

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NBA institutes new concussion policy.

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The league said Monday the protocols went into effect with the start of training camps. The neurologist hired to lead its concussion program will be consulted before any player returns to competition.

Players will undergo baseline testing each year, which can be used later to assist in diagnosing concussions. Players, coaches and team medical personnel will take part in annual training.

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The NYTimes has had a lengthy 3 part series on Derek Boogard - Punched Out: The Life and Death of a Hockey Enforcer.

Derek Boogaard: A Boy Learns to Brawl
Derek Boogaard: Blood on the Ice
Derek Boogaard: A Brain ‘Going Bad’
Video: Punched Out - The Life and Death of a Hockey Enforcer

It had been speculated, but I don't recall any reports confirming it, that Boogard likely suffered from C.T.E. (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) - the Times piece confirms it.
The NY Times keeps up it's drum beat against fighting/concussions:

Hockey’s History, Woven With Violence
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MONTREAL — It is one of sport’s biggest mysteries: how did hockey come to tolerate fighting? Hockey historians say that no one knows why or even exactly when the game decided long ago to tolerate fighting while other violent-collision sports like rugby and football did not.

But Adam Gopnik, a writer for The New Yorker, has offered a theory that tries to explain why fighting and violence seem to be in hockey’s DNA. He regards violence as an outgrowth of organized hockey’s origins in late-19th-century Montreal, where ethnic groups formed rival clubs that gave the game the “archaic tang,” as he put it, “of my gang here versus your gang there.”

Gopnik, who grew up here and is a Canadiens fan, sees hockey as the most creative sport, but also “the most clannish, most given to brutal tribal rules of insult and retribution.” For him, the key lies in the fleur-de-lis, the rose, the shamrock and the thistle that adorn this city’s flag.

Gopnik offered his hypothesis last November at Canada’s biggest annual intellectual event, the Massey Lectures, which since 1961 have featured speakers like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Margaret Atwood. It is also contained in a book based on his lectures, “Winter: Five Windows on a Season.”


In Debate About Fighting in Hockey, Medical Experts Weigh In

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The determination that the hockey enforcer Derek Boogaard had a degenerative brain disease linked to repeated hits to the head when he died in May at age 28 has fueled a debate among medical experts over whether the sport should ban fighting.

The N.H.L. commissioner, Gary Bettman, has played down the findings announced last week by Boston University researchers that Boogaard had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a close relative of Alzheimer’s disease known as C.T.E. He said data on the causes of brain trauma were insufficient to warrant stiffer penalties for fighting.

Dr. Ruben Echemendia, a former president of the National Academy of Neuropsychology, advises Bettman as the director of the concussion working group formed in 1997 and operated jointly by the league and the union. He agreed with Bettman’s position, saying there is not enough scientific evidence to justify rules changes that would curtail or end fighting in the N.H.L.

“I think it’s an opinion based on limited data,” Echemendia said about the conclusion by scientists at Boston University’s Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy that hits to the head sustained in hockey might lead to C.T.E. “My perspective is, we should not make wholesale changes until we have more than opinion and speculation.”

Some independent experts, however, say ample evidence exists.

“We in science can dot the line between blows to the head, brain degeneration and all of these other issues,” said Dr. Charles H. Tator, a neurosurgeon and researcher at the Toronto Western Hospital who heads programs to reduce head and spinal-cord injuries in sports. “So in my view, it’s time for the leagues to acknowledge this serious issue and take steps to reduce blows to the brain.” Those steps, he said, included “getting fighting out of the game.”
The NY Times has now devoted space to 5 articles about fighting in the last week - including the lengthy 3 part feature on Boogard - if anyone doubted that the issue is getting traction with the general media. And given that the issues of fighting, violence, and concussions are being largely grouped together - I expect a real uproar if Crosby's latest setback turns into another lost season or more.

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If they even wear them properly. Players don't even wear visors and some that do tip the helmets so far back, what's the point? Same with helmets.

Then they should also have an league doctor not answerable to the team do the evaluation. Also, allow player to be called up at that time and not have salary count against cap if at same or lower salary.

You cannot be too careful with concussions.
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The obvious question is why are flimsey little half helmets allowed in a contact sport with speeds reaching over thirty miles an hour?

The "Messier" helmet, lauded as a major innovation seems best suited to covering baldness. Don't think so? I propose a test; put on the latest, greatest hockey helmet and I will attack you with a bat.

If you think I am being facetious, I am not. The impacts absorbed by players easily reaches the levels of an attack with a bat.

The NFL has approached the same problem seriously and adopted real rules regaurding the helmet. Newer helmet designs result in less injuries. Until the NHL approaches the problem seriously there won't be any improvement in safety.

Real helmets cover the entire head and dissapate energy. They are heavy. They are hot. They save lives.
I know those are old posts but I was wondering about helmets recently.

Is there any other comments about helmets in the previous eleven pages? I'm serious.

It just seems that the NHL and the media or anyone publicly talking about concussions never mentions helmets. They mention the players, that they're bigger and stronger. They mention how the other equipment is more rigid although close in weight to the older style equipment so it's more protective to those areas of the body but also more lethal. Then there's the glass, the boards, the stanchions that are 'sticking out' and the players allegedly not having as much respect (but, I think that is highly debatable) with so many hits on guys in vulnerable positions.

But, hardly any mention on helmets. Who are the manufacturers of helmets? The brand names on them are Nike, Reebok, CCM and? Many of these companies also have organizations and franchises in the shoe manufacturing business. They are known to cut corners or at least have merchandise that are in questionable quality (control) at times. Why wouldn't the same be for helmets? What is the required regulations and standards for helmets? Are they strict and if so, how is that measured? We know they're 'CSA approved' but what does that mean, really?

To me, helmets look like they're aren't all that protective given the impact upon player's heads. Even when there's a violent movement of the neck and head (or upper body), that's a concern but the helmets always seem to be just a tad loose. Just look at how easy they seem to come off. Players wear helmets, mouthguards and some wear the visors but it seems these are hardly enough.

Look at Giroux getting a concussion because a team mate accidently bumped him with his knee as he tried to leap frog him. Would an improved helmet protect him more? What improvements can be attained with helmets these days? Is it feasible or realistic to have R&D work on this? Should the regulations be re-examined?

I think protective headgear should be re-evaluated since the impacts and contact is to such a degree that it seems it's much more often (or seems so) to experience or suffer a concussion. Once you get one or even two or three, it seems it becomes a threat to a player's career and then their post-sports life. If there's any chance or possibility to upgrade the protection on helmets, this should seriously be examined. Even if it requires an investment on R&D or whatever's needed.

I already have stated views on visors and fighting but that's another topic, perhaps? Boogard and other enforcers most likely had their deteriorating health related to fights with punches to the head but that's another matter. Removing or really restricting fighting would do some good in reducing instances of those incidences which really have nothing to do with events during an actual game, does it? That is, everyone stops playing when the fight occurs so at least, that doesn't require rule changes that would change the game. Although, those who argue fighting is required would argue that but it should be evaluated seriously and critically.

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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...he-quiet-room/

While the NHL and teams have given HBO 24/7 cameras access to almost everywhere, they did deny entrance to the "quiet room" when Flyers' Giroux was being evaluated after teammate lept over him while on his hands/knees and hit him in the head.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...rn=nhl-wp19874

Meanwhile, Puck Daddy looks at the "All-Concussion Team" that (when healthy) could win a lot of games.
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1st Line: Sidney Crosby, Claude Giroux, Milan Michalek
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2nd Line: Jeff Skinner, Mike Richards, Nathan Gerbe
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3rd Line: Peter Mueller, Brayden Schenn, Andy McDonald
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4th Line: Jay Beagle, Marcel Goc, Nino Niederreiter
D: Pronger-Letang; Z Michalek-M Staal; Pitaken-Zidlicky; Sauer-Bortuzzo
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Agent Allan Walsh tweets today that one client says that there are a few reasons there are "more" concussions: first, more are being reported; second, shoulder and elbow pads aren't helping (more like weapons).

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Agent Allan Walsh tweets today that one client says that there are a few reasons there are "more" concussions: first, more are being reported; second, shoulder and elbow pads aren't helping (more like weapons).
The 2nd reason, the NHL can and will want to change.

But, what about helmets?

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Another Season-ending concussion:
PRONGER OUT INDEFINITELY WITH CONCUSSION-LIKE SYMPTOMS
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382826

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Another Season-ending concussion:
PRONGER OUT INDEFINITELY WITH CONCUSSION-LIKE SYMPTOMS
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382826

And he has another five seasons on his contract (after this) that will count against the cap regardless if he retires (as it's a 35+ deal).

LTIR cap relief, at least.



OTF played a few minutes from today's NHL Hour with Bettman and Hradek talking about concussions, what the league has/is doing, including new plexiglass in rinks, concussion protocol, etc.


Interesting comment from Sharks radio commentators during tonight's game asking if the game has gotten too fast.

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Jeremy_Roenick: Concussions http://t.co/cwzG2gEF If I were playing now they'd want my brain for a Science project. 13 concussions that I know about.

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Interesting comment from Sharks radio commentators during tonight's game asking if the game has gotten too fast.
I think that's the simple fact, LadyStanley, and it really presents a problem. We know what outcry comes from claims like 'it's fighting that's causing a lot of the concussions', but at least with fighting you have a segment of the fanbase that's against it anyway, so if that were the main cause of most of the concussions (speaking hypothetically) then it could be eliminated though with many objections. But speed is an element of the game that no one is against and virtually everyone is in favor of. How do you tell the paying customer that you're going to implement strategies to reduce it? In fact, quite to the contrary, the rule changes that took place during the lockout have enthused many hockey fans, while at the same time there seems to be this corelation between the increased speed of the game (along with a few other factors, not the least being an increased size of the players) and what we've been seeing as an increased number of concussions.

Now some have said that it's quite possibly nothing more than improved diagnosis procedures which are detecting more concussions. If that's the fact, then perhaps the speed of the game isn't the biggest culprit; however, improved diagnosis or not, a serious problem has been identified and the League must find a way to deal with it.

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Hodge: Has the NHL done everything they can to prevent concussions?

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