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12-16-2011, 11:28 AM
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But speed is an element of the game that no one is against and virtually everyone is in favor of. How do you tell the paying customer that you're going to implement strategies to reduce it? In fact, quite to the contrary, the rule changes that took place during the lockout have enthused many hockey fans, while at the same time there seems to be this corelation between the increased speed of the game (along with a few other factors, not the least being an increased size of the players) and what we've been seeing as an increased number of concussions.
Bingo. Excellent post. Im absolutely certain the increase in concussions is attributable in large part to the removal of the center ice red-line, combined with several other factors (size of todays players as you mention). Ya its opened up the game, Warp 9 instead of 7, but c'mon here, look at the price thats being tolled?.

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Ken Dryden calls on Bettman to take more actions to stop concussions

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What I'd say to him is what I've said here, but also that it's time for him to not be so deferential [to his hockey guys] and respectful on hockey matters, on head injuries, but to take these on in his aggressive Bettmanesque way. ... You can try to deny the problem or try to manage it or do something. And as overwhelming as it seems — just imagine if even most of this is true: the on-ice consequences, the post-career consequences for former NHL and recreational players, the liabilities, etc., etc. — a lot can be done. The changes that may be necessary are not undoable. Few are blaming you. Most know there is so much we don't know and can't know. We don't know the dimensions of the problem. We don't know the dimensions of the answer. But we do know there's a big problem, and we do know there are some things we need to do.
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You and the NHL can do something. You don't need to lead this effort — in fact, it's better if you don't, to avoid the conflicts of interest that would naturally occur and any perception of them, and so not to hold back the work. But you can acknowledge the seriousness of the problem and your determination to deal seriously with it, now and in the future. One way to signal this might be to help create some ongoing structure that would encourage and generate public discussion, ideas, proposals, and action on head injuries in sports, notably hockey. It could begin with an annual conference, hosted by a university, the first one in Canada, but in subsequent years in the U.S. and Europe. The NHL could be one of the major sponsors. You, and not just your "hockey guys," could be there to show that on this "long run" problem you're in this for the long run, and are willing to puzzle through with others how we can do better.

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Concussions have been around "forever". We're just more aware of the injuries and better to diagnose.

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Make no mistake, guys have been playing with concussions for decades. We just didn’t diagnose it properly or worry about it.

What’s new is the cautious approach players and teams are taking to head-shots of any kind. Following a trend set by Sidney Crosby, players and clubs no longer wonder how they can get back in a game or two — they now wonder how they can best make sure they play for five or 10 more years.

They look at the big picture, realizing nothing can be gained by returning too early from any sort of head injury.

And so, as frustrating as it is for fans, teams and the league, players take every precaution possible by sitting on the sideline until post-concussion symptoms are long gone.

The league deserves credit — not criticism — for all the work being done to try limiting head-shots, streamlining equipment, looking at rule changes and preaching education.

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I get a little annoyed by people saying concussions have been part of the game for years.

The physics of the game has changed greatly and thus severity of concussions have also increased.

Anyone that has played a contact sport has probably suffered a mild concussion; few have suffered a severe concussion.

With the speed of today's game, the removal of the two line offside, size and overall better shape of the players and last but not least the friggin armour these guys wear, the number of severe concussions have increased.

There is no way that most players of the 60's, 70 etc experienced the severity of concussion players do today.

The old saying "take one for the team" "suck it up" doesn't work today and wouldn't have worked back then if the players then were getting the same symptoms players today have.

One way that would help, a bigger ice surface or bring back the 2 line offside.

I wonder if European hockey is having the same numbers of serious concussions as the NHL. Somehow I doubt it.

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I get a little annoyed by people saying concussions have been part of the game for years.

The physics of the game has changed greatly and thus severity of concussions have also increased.

Anyone that has played a contact sport has probably suffered a mild concussion; few have suffered a severe concussion.

With the speed of today's game, the removal of the two line offside, size and overall better shape of the players and last but not least the friggin armour these guys wear, the number of severe concussions have increased.

There is no way that most players of the 60's, 70 etc experienced the severity of concussion players do today.

The old saying "take one for the team" "suck it up" doesn't work today and wouldn't have worked back then if the players then were getting the same symptoms players today have.

One way that would help, a bigger ice surface or bring back the 2 line offside.

I wonder if European hockey is having the same numbers of serious concussions as the NHL. Somehow I doubt it.

I think you're right. I don't remember there being open ice hits back in the 70's. If there were, they were few and far between. The defense especially would just retreat backwards to their own end, not jump in the play nearly as much (excluding Orr), but certainly not try to stand up someone at the blueline or neutral zone. There was a slower tempo to the game in that sense. There were breakaways and odd-men rushes to be sure, but the defense treated these differently. The forwards didn't contribute as much to defense either. Shifts were far longer, which speaks to the general speed of the game being much lower for this and other reasons mentioned above.

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I think you're right. I don't remember there being open ice hits back in the 70's. If there were, they were few and far between. The defense especially would just retreat backwards to their own end, not jump in the play nearly as much (excluding Orr), but certainly not try to stand up someone at the blueline or neutral zone. There was a slower tempo to the game in that sense. There were breakaways and odd-men rushes to be sure, but the defense treated these differently. The forwards didn't contribute as much to defense either. Shifts were far longer, which speaks to the general speed of the game being much lower for this and other reasons mentioned above.
Yes, good point. The Short Shift. A contributing factor to the increased speed of the game which began in earnest during the 84-85 season with Keenan in Philly, though Shero had toyed around with it a bit in the early 70's. Emphasizing speed over stamina with 30-40 second shifts, de-emphasizing puck carrying replacing it with puck movement, a quick attack instead of sustained pressure, changing on the fly. Keenan as you know came up through Junior in the OHA where the short shift game was quite common from about the mid-70's onward. At the NHL level, in order for his young Flyers team to compete against a lot of experience, he utilized the short shift and of course was extremely successful at that time. The Oilers adapted quickly as did several other teams, youth replacing experience, skill & stamina. Speed increasing exponentially. This innovation was not without consequences, shortening careers, a Bullet Train straight lining it to where we are today....

Run n' Gun or On the Run, "a quick, sharp, shot" followed by a cacophony of ringing bells & chimes in the head all going off at once. Speed kills.


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But ending careers is the price of avoiding more Boogaards. Concussions will always happen in hockey. We can punish head hits, and we are. We can develop safer equipment, and we should. But there will still be concussions, and they will still affect players unequally. Some guys will never get one, others will get several, and for those unlucky ones, yes, their careers will be over before we might like.
And that’s okay. The end of a career is not the end of the world. It is not a great tragedy. It is a job transition. An NHL player whose career is tragically, prematurely, sadly ended by concussion problems is still a young rich guy with his whole lovely life ahead of him. If Chris Pronger can’t play again, that sucks for the Flyers, but the dude got to play pro hockey for decades, become one of the greatest defensemen of his era, screw over the entire population of Edmonton, win a Cup and make, conservatively speaking, 78 bajillion dollars. He had a great run. It’s over now. To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven and now the long winter of Pronger is over and it’s time for him to figure out who he is in spring. I would wish him good luck, but the fact is the man has already been as lucky as a human being can be.

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Yes, good point. The Short Shift. A contributing factor to the increased speed of the game which began in earnest during the 84-85 season with Keenan in Philly, though Shero had toyed around with it a bit in the early 70's. Emphasizing speed over stamina with 30-40 second shifts, de-emphasizing puck carrying replacing it with puck movement, a quick attack instead of sustained pressure, changing on the fly. Keenan as you know came up through Junior in the OHA where the short shift game was quite common from about the mid-70's onward. At the NHL level, in order for his young Flyers team to compete against a lot of experience, he utilized the short shift and of course was extremely successful at that time. The Oilers adapted quickly as did several other teams, youth replacing experience, skill & stamina. Speed increasing exponentially. This innovation was not without consequences, shortening careers, a Bullet Train straight lining it to where we are today....

Run n' Gun or On the Run, "a quick, sharp, shot" followed by a cacophony of ringing bells & chimes in the head all going off at once. Speed kills.

And the interesting thing about that now-not many teams use a "run and gun" offense-at least those that want to be successful in the playoffs-you can't play run and gun anymore as far as a strategy-the teams that win the Cup have SOLID defenses that play defense first. Even an offensive powerhouse like the Pens have a solid SOLID defensive mantra first. There is even some debate about that's why the Caps couldn't make it go int the playoffs, Run and Gun gets shut down in playoff hockey, so Boudreau tried to get them to become defensive, and funnily enough look what happened to him....

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Of course, the teams/league can only tackle concussions when the player reports it (if not obvious).

Leafs Armstrong kept concussion hidden from team for a few days after hit.

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Of course, the teams/league can only tackle concussions when the player reports it (if not obvious).

Leafs Armstrong kept concussion hidden from team for a few days after hit.
It will be interesting in the next CBA if this point is brought up-about players keeping their concussions or related injuries hidden, if some penalty could be imposed (like termination of contract). Yes I know that seems drastic, and maybe not that bad-but players who are playing with a concussion are hurting the team when they do it IMO

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NFL assigning independent (paid by league, approved by union) athletic trainers to monitor concussion situations.

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As a direct result of the Cleveland Browns' failure to test quarterback Colt McCoy for a concussion on the sideline during a game, the NFL will alert all 32 teams that, effective this week, an independently certified athletics trainer will be assigned to monitor all suspected concussion-related injuries, a league official confirmed Tuesday.
The independent trainers will be paid by the NFL and approved by the NFL Players Association, according to league spokesman Greg Aiello.
The trainer's sole purpose will be to oversee the treatment of any possible concussions and ensure that the medical staffs on each sideline are following proper league protocol and testing for any head trauma. During the game, the trainers will be situated in an upstairs booth with direct communication access to each team's sideline.

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Messier & Primeau calling for helmet innovations.

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Jamal Lewis, Dorsey Levens and two other former NFL players have sued the league over brain injuries that they say left them struggling with medical problems years after their playing days ended.

Lewis and Levens, along with Fulton Kuykendall and Ryan Stewart, filed the lawsuit against the National Football League and NFL Properties LLC this week in U.S. District Court in Atlanta.

The players maintain the NFL knew as early as the 1920s of the potential for concussions to harm its players but only went public last year.

"The NFL has done everything in its power to hide the issue and mislead players concerning the risks associated with concussions," the players argue in the lawsuit.

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Apparently there's yet another lawsuit involving NFL players.




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Coxe: Speed isn't the reason for all the concussions.

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Retired NFL players file a third lawsuit against league re: concussions

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Canadian Federal government to support organizations that fight concussions
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The federal government will spend $1.5 million to help reduce concussions in kid's sports.

The money goes to ThinkFirst Canada, Hockey Canada, the Coaching Association of Canada and the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport to support efforts to reduce the rate and severity of sports-related head injuries.

The groups will work on increasing awareness of the problem among coaches, players and parents.

Among other things, they hope to develop guidelines for fitting helmets, and provide better information about the risks and signs of head injuries and when it's safe to return to playing after an injury.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ing-right-now/
Pronger's wife talks about recovery process

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...y-frustrating/
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"Sid the Ghost". Article looks at Crosby's "poster child" microscope as he tries to return to game.

Technically, Crosby does not have a concussion (he passed the IMPACT test), but he does have the symptoms.

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72 players have had concussions so far this season

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Player agent Allan Walsh has been keeping track of the league's concussion rate, and he says if the current rate continues there could be 110 by the end of the season. That means more than 15% of NHL players will have missed games.
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Deputy commissioner Bill Daly called the concussion issue a difficult one and said the NHL is working to raise "the level of awareness on the issue among our clubs, coaching and training staffs, team physicians, fans and, most importantly, our players."
"While it is not a positive story, I think the focus and attention this issue is receiving in the media is a direct result of our collective efforts to raise awareness of the seriousness of the issue," he said.

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One concussion this season is the result of a fight

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One concussion this season is the result of a fight
The biggest challenge (or one of them) I am seeing is the "individuality" of concussions. These aren't like bone breaks where after 4-6 weeks generally a bone heals-everyone has a different reaction to them. Some show up right away, some a while later, some for a short time, some for indefinite times-and one never knows when they will show up again.

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Wednesday night, referee Kelly Sutherland experienced the NHL concussion protocol after being hit in the head by a deflected puck.

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Gordie Howe fundraising for dementia (which took his wife).

Son Marty says dementia is slowing taking Gordie too. (He played in an era when concussions were never tracked.)

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Ralph Nader writes an open letter to Gary Bettman asking him to ban fighting (as a way of reducing concussions).




IIRC, a small percentage of concussions come from fights, and that # is even down this season.

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Baycrest health centre in Toronto, an innovations leader in brain health and aging, has begun assembling 100 former players of varying birthdates to track brain functions in a three to five year period and compare it to males in mainstream occupations.
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“We’re looking at brain health and brain function,” Levine said. “We’re putting these guys through tests for memory, comparing their reactions, scanning their brains, looking at structural changes. We have a functional MRI that shows changes in blood flow and an EEG (for spontaneous electrical activity). Bottom line, it’s very thorough.”

When comparing the players to the average Joes, factors such as diet and exercise will be considered.

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Gordie Howe's family do not currently plan to donate his brain for research (after his death).

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From 2012 Spring GM meetings: # of concussions has "stabilized" (compared to 10-11 season).

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