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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...p&sct=hp_wr_a4

SI retrospective on the mental health of NFLers.

As rookies, players have mandated interactions with psychologists (or equivalent) to understand some of the issues they may face. Retiring/transitioning players also have access to counseling.

One obstacle to players reaching out for help is the "fact" of unguaranteed contracts; which player wants to get help if the cost of doing that means the team releases him?

There's also the issue of "breaking into" the culture of the team, and the inherent distrust of "suits" by the players.

(Definitely sounds like Dr Brooks may have been the prototype for USA TV's psychologist on Necessary Roughness.)

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IIHF talks about lack of respect which has lead to a lot of head hits.

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NHL player Dominic Moore (former Shark, plus a bunch of other teams) has announced (1st annual?) charity ping pong tournament in July 2012 to raise funds for concussion research.

Bunch of big names have signed up to participate.


(He has a former teammate on every NHL squad. )

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6 of the NHL Entry Draft combine invitees have concussions.

You have to wonder the impact of any lingering injuries (and how they "perform" in interviews while recovering from them), and how teams may select/avoid the players (and/or see them slip down the draft order).

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James Mirtle looks at the impact of concussions on members of the Toronto Maple Leafs and their effectiveness (and sometimes diminished capabilities) after being deemed "healthy" on their return to play.

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http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/156927415.html

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In his final three seasons playing in the National Hockey League, before dying last year at 28 of an accidental overdose of narcotic painkillers and alcohol, Derek Boogaard received more than 100 prescriptions for thousands of pills from more than a dozen team doctors for the Minnesota Wild and the New York Rangers.

A trove of documents, compiled by Boogaard's father, offer a rare prescription-by-prescription history of the care given to a prominent, physically ailing athlete who struggled with addiction to some of the very drugs the team doctors were providing. The scores of prescriptions came before and after Boogaard's entry into the league's substance-abuse program in September 2009 for an addiction to painkillers and sleeping pills.
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But, at the least, the records raise questions for hockey and professional sports of all kinds. Do team doctors communicate with one another about the care they are giving or the drugs they are prescribing? Do they demand to see a player before writing a new prescription? Are team medical records monitored and complete? How much information is shared among doctors, team officials and administrators of programs like the NHL's Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program? Can a hockey player, especially one paid to inflict and to absorb pain, continue a career with an addiction to painkillers? And what role does the league play in all this?

The NHL, teams, team doctors and substance-abuse program directors involved in Boogaard's care all declined to discuss any of that.
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A concussion-related lawsuit bringing together scores of cases has been filed in federal court, accusing the NFL of hiding information that linked football-related head trauma to permanent brain injuries.

Lawyers for former players say more than 80 pending lawsuits are consolidated in the "master complaint" filed Thursday in Philadelphia.

Plaintiffs hope to hold the NFL responsible for the care of players suffering from dementia, Alzheimer's disease and other neurological conditions. Other former players remain asymptomatic, but worry about the future and want medical monitoring.

The suit accuses the NFL of "mythologizing" and glorifying violence through the media, including its NFL Films division.
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The list of notable former players connected to concussion lawsuits is extensive and includes the family of Dave Duerson, who shot himself last year. Ex-quarterback Jim McMahon, Duerson's teammate on Super Bowl-winning 1985 Chicago Bears, has been a plaintiff.

The cases are being consolidated for pretrial issues and discovery before Senior U.S. District Judge Anita B. Brody in Philadelphia.

The players accuse the NFL of negligence and intentional misconduct in its response to the headaches, dizziness and dementia that former players have reported, even after forming the Mild Traumatic Brain Injury Committee to study the issue in 1994.


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Adam Deadmarsh steps down as Colorado Avalanche assistant coach due to (continuing) concussion issues. (Moving over to player development with team; family relocating from Colorado.)

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Goodell said he has spent more time this offseason on player safety than on any other issue -- more time, he told me, than on the Saints' bounty program. He also pointed to the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health study that said former NFL players lived a longer life than average male citizens as bursting a myth that the life span of football players is shortened by the game.
Me: What have you learned, let's say, since the end of the season that's contributed to your continuing education on head trauma and concussions?
Goodell: "The head, neck, and spine committee met back in early- to mid-February. I think we had 48 professionals in that room, leading doctors and scientists from institutions all over the world, virtually all of them unaffiliated with the NFL. I think the thing that strikes me the most about it is how much more we have to learn as a society, as a medical profession, as scientists. There's still a lot of unknowns about the brain, either brain disease or brain trauma and how it reacts. That's not unusual in science and medicine as you know. You have different findings and medical debates. We could see that in the room. There are some tremendous professionals that are taking a very cautious and conservative approach that are making it safer for our troops, NFL players, girls soccer players and that you can manage the risk of concussions, that we can do more to prevent it and that we can understand it better to make sure you fully recover from these injuries. The first thing to do is prevent it. That goes to rules, equipment. The second is our sideline assessment tools. We have made changes to that. There are some new technologies that make this very soon in the future where on a tablet, you can actually take a test on the sideline to determine (the concussion).''
Me: A tablet? An iPad? This year?
Goodell: "It's possible.''
Me: How do you expect the system to work this year?
Goodell: "The player has to self-report and has to tell professionals. We have spotters, as you know, our ATC [athletic trainers] spotters program, which we implemented late in the season to sort of identify hits that would require an evaluation. That will be expanded and fully in place this season. There's an ATC, which is an athletic trainer who's not active right now, but they'll be upstairs. They will have access to all the video and if they see a hit that involves a significant blow to the head or if a player demonstrates any kind of dizziness or potential slowness to get up, they call down to the sideline and make sure the medical professional has that number and they can go make an evaluation ... Now we have the technology to send the play down to the field, so that if a medical personnel wants to look at that, they can look at the play and that has been very helpful in the playoffs. It's almost like the instant replay setup. You'll see the equipment down behind the bench area. The ATC spotter can actually, just like we do with instant replay, send a play down if the trainer or the doctor wants to see a play. They can look at the play and see what they call the mechanisms of injury. That's the term that's used. Through the mechanism of injury, you can determine, 'OK, I need to look at that.' It's a tremendous tool for the doctors.


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Would it be fair to say that increased awareness of brain injury could lead to a drastic reconfiguring and/or possibly an end to certain contact sports such as hockey and football?

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Some comparative concussion rates high school sports from two recent studies:
Rate is # per 100,000 Athletic Exposures (AE). One AE=one athlete participating in an organized practice or competition, regardless of time played.

Football: 60-77 per 100k
Girls soccer: 33-35
Boys lacrosse: 30-47
Girls lacrosse: 20-31
Boys soccer: 17-19
Boys wrestling: 17-24
Girls basketball: 16-19
Girls softball: 11-16
Boys basketball: 11-21
Girls field hockey: 10-25
Cheerleading: 11.5
Girls volleyball: 5-9
Boys baseball: 5-6

Boys football has the highest rate, but only 2x that of girls soccer.
The concussion rate has gone up a great deal in the past decade. This appears to primarily be greater concussion awareness and and more accurate reporting.
There is evidence that girls are more prone to concussion than boys. One theory is that girls have weaker neck muscles and are more likely to have their heads whipped back and forth in a collision. Another theory is boys are simply under-reporting, especially mild concussions, to avoid appearing weak or being removed from the competition. Likely a combination of both factors.

Here's where I got the #s from.

It's a sports parent website, but they got their #s from recent scientific publications and list their sources.

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Was watching a bit of NBC Nightly News (IIRC just before game 6). They had a story on the change of Pop Warner football changing when/how players could have (head) contact. Formerly, they practiced 9 hours/week. Plan is to limit (head) contact to 3 hours or less/week.

Saw another story on girls HS soccer team that had members suffering from concussions, some so bad they are in dim light "all the time" (possible), and have had to give up the sport.


Will take a paradigm shift to get parents, coaches, peers, and players to accept that head injuries should not be taken lightly.

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Former Chicago player, Lightning coach, Steve Ludzik diagnosed at 40 with Parkinson's disease. Probable cause - concussions/hits to the head (not from fighting).

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Right away, there was speculation about how Ludzik wound up with Parkinson's, which can be genetic but is almost certainly in Ludzik's case due to the scores of hits to the head he absorbed in decades of playing hockey.

After a spectacular junior career as a scorer — Ludzik playfully points out that Niagara Falls teammate Steve Larmer was drafted four rounds behind him — the 5-foot-11, 185-pound Ludzik was turned into a checking center by minor-league coach Orval Tessier, who later became the Hawks' head coach.

“People who want to say this is from fighting are clueless,” Ludzik said. “I don't give a (bleep) what they think. I only fought (22) times in 10 years and I never got clocked. I never caught anyone good, either.

“This is from getting hit in the head. The constant banging wore me down. It's like being in bumper cars for years without stopping.

“My guess is I had about six concussions, and you never said anything because you didn't want to lose your job. You'd find out later from the guys that when you got to the bench you couldn't say your name, and then you had a headache for a week and couldn't eat anything.”


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Junior Seau's family donates his brain tissue for research.

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Dominic Moore leads charity ping pong tournament (with lots of NHL players participating). Raised $20,000 for concussion research.

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Taking part were 18 current and former NHLers, headlined by Steven Stamkos, Vinny Lecavalier, Eric Lindros and Jason Spezza. Several others, like Claude Giroux, were in attendance as spectators.

All involved spoke to the need for more research and awareness about hits to the head in a sign that players are taking up the fight against concussions more than ever.

“I know this has been a big issue in the media over the past few years, but it’s been an even bigger one among the players,” said Mathieu Schneider, a former player and current NHLPA executive. “We’ve lost a lot of friends from the game to concussions.”

“When Mooresy asked me to be a part of this, it was a no-brainer, no pun intended,” Stamkos said. “It’s a very important issue in our game. We want to learn as much as we can about it and raise awareness starting in youth hockey and up to the pro ranks.”

While Moore himself hasn’t suffered a concussion, he has become familiar with the effects of them from his brother, Steve, who was tackled from behind ....

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Let's call it by it's real name: Mild Traumatic Brain Injury

Concussion just does not seem to do this injury justice. mTBI is a more accurate descriptor.

http://www.neuroskills.com/brain-inj...y-overview.php

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The brain stem is located at the base of the brain. Aside from regulating basic arousal and regulatory functions, the brain stem is involved in attention and short-term memory. Trauma to this area can lead to disorientation, frustration, and anger. The limbic system, higher up in the brain than the brain stem, helps regulate emotions. Connected to the limbic system are the temporal lobes which are involved in many cognitive skills such as memory and language. Damage to the temporal lobes, or seizures in this area, have been associated with a number of behavioral disorders. The frontal lobe is almost always injured due to its large size and its location near the front of the cranium. The frontal lobe is involved in many cognitive functions and is considered our emotional and personal control center. Damage to this area can result in decreased judgement and increased impulsivity.
I can think of a couple of players who changed post concussion. I don't think you have to be a doctor to see this.

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Not that I like the idea, I actually fringe at the thought, but the only way the concussion problem will be mostly fixed is to outlaw all physical contact and slow the game way, way down. Helmets only do so much (actually little) since a lot of concussions come from the violent motion of the head. Helmets dont keep the brain in place inside of your skull, sorry to say.

For pro athletes, your getting paid to play a god damned sport. Suck it up, it cant be all roses and butterflies when you make it to the show. Dont see to many non sport related concussions getting time in the news. When was the last time you saw a construction worker making the front page for getting a concussion? Everyone is at risk for a damned concussion or any injury. Its part of being human. Tired of hearing about this crap in every contact sport. Non playing fans should not have to bear the concussion problems.Keep it out of the damned news. Only thing that needs to be said is when a player gets concussed and how long he will be out. Most fans dont give a rats ass about a players hardship off the ice.


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You play contact sport, concussions will happen. You can try preventing it aka less contact to the heads. But even without it they will happen. Most concussions in the NHL for example happen with no contact to the heads. It's a matter of are we willing to live with it or abolish every contacts?

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Right away, there was speculation about how Ludzik wound up with Parkinson's, which can be genetic but is almost certainly in Ludzik's case due to the scores of hits to the head he absorbed in decades of playing hockey.
That's ridiculous. One player out of thousands gets Parkinson's in his 40's and it's "certainly" due to hockey?

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[A] first-ever government study finds retired football players are three to four times more likely to die from diseases of the brain compared with the general population...
The findings come from a new analysis of a 1994 study by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health on 3,439 former players (1959-1988) with at least five seasons in the NFL and add to a growing body of research detailing the harmful effects contact sports and repeated head bashing can have on the brain.
Researchers reviewed mortality causes on death certificates for neurodegenerative disorders including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and also also looked for signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). CTE is not defined as a cause of death, but it can be mistaken for Alzheimer's, the authors write. For decades, experts have known CTE takes a toll in boxing, but discoveries since the 1994 report also link it to other sports. The study is published in Neurology, the journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

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That's ridiculous. One player out of thousands gets Parkinson's in his 40's and it's "certainly" due to hockey?
How is this ridiculous? He may or may not be more genetically susceptible to Parkinson's, it is known that hits to the head increase your odds of getting it, hockey is where this man received hits to the head. That post doesn't say play hockey and get Parkinson's.

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How is this ridiculous? He may or may not be more genetically susceptible to Parkinson's, it is known that hits to the head increase your odds of getting it, hockey is where this man received hits to the head. That post doesn't say play hockey and get Parkinson's.
No it doesn't say it, but it does seem to infer it.

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