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11-09-2013, 09:56 AM
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And to me that's always been one of the problems with any sort of helmet technology-is it even possible to make a "concussion proof' helmet?
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1533483

In NOVA ep this week, Making Stuff Safer, they looked at one style of proposed helmet which has "outer" and inner helmets, the outer one can move/absorb some of the energy from momentum changes.

But, a "hard stop" in any activity is a bit hard to protect.

(FTR, football helmets were originally created to protect heads from being broken.)

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It looks like now they can diagnose CTE from brain scans - rather than after the fact via autopsy.

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci...rtin-incognito



DMN piece:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...gns-of-cte.ece
And you can add former Dolphins WR Mark Duper.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-...8314--nfl.html

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Former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Mark Duper revealed to ESPN's "Outside The Lines" that he has been diagnosed with signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

CTE is a degenerative brain disease that scientists believe is caused by head trauma and linked to depression and dementia.

Duper is the ninth known living former NFL player diagnosed with CTE.

"It was shocking," he said. "I hoped nothing was wrong. I've had memory things where I would go to the store and forget what I went for. And I have emotional swings and panic attacks."

Duper is one of four former stars -- the others are Tony Dorsett, Joe DeLamielleure and Leonard Marshall -- who were tested at UCLA over the past three months and diagnosed with signs of CTE. UCLA announced in January that five other former NFL players were tested and diagnosed.

Prior to the recent findings, CTE had only been diagnosed posthumously. Autopsies performed on more than 50 former NFL players -- including Junior Seau, who committed suicide in 2012, and Mike Webster -- found signs indicative of CTE.

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Just what the NFL needs ...

http://www.deadline.com/2013/11/ridl...tball-players/

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EXCLUSIVE: While Ridley Scott is taking on the massive Moses movie Exodus with Christian Bale and Joel Edgerton, he and producing partner Giannina Facio have been meeting with A-list writers for what he hopes will be the next film he directs. Scott wants to create a drama focusing on the debilitating effects that concussions are having on our sports heroes, and the role that league owners play in allowing it to happen. His plan is to create a morality tale on that issue, much the way that Michael Mann’s The Insider took on the tobacco industry’s complicity in covering up the addictive and cancer-causing effects of cigarette smoking.

It sounds like a most worthy project to me. Scott is a big fan of sports including rugby and football, but he is going to focus on pro football. He has been moved reading all that has been written on athletes including former NFL stars Junior Seau and Dave Duerson, both of whom committed suicide after suffering chronic traumatic encephalopathy, with each making sure to leave his brain intact so it could be studied in the hope the results would help their gridiron brethren who also are suffering.

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^^^ Ya. Wonderful. Rather like Philadelphia. Possibly with a Bruce Springsteen soundtrack n' all.
.......... Cant imagine the NFL & by rote the NHL are going to be enamored with that prospect.

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I'm all for investigating the causes and effects of concussions. But as a league...the NHL shouldn't be overly worried about it. Their players don't seem to be concerned. Their coaches don't seem to be concerned. Their General Managers don't seem to be concerned. Their Owners don't seem to be concerned.

So who exactly is concerned about concussions in the NHL?

Fans? Why? They have no stake in a player's career. What do you care if a great turns into a Lindros? It doesn't cost the fan anything....

The people concerned about this are the Owners and Players (and to a slightly lesser extent the GM's) and they make the rules...they aren't in a frenzy to change things. If they want to protect their investments/themselves....they will.

Fans need to shut up...you pay for entertainment, which you get. Your advice about rules to protect the employees of the National Hockey League would be ignored by every secretary at any other business. It does not impact you in the slightest. Let the Owners and Players decide.

I could understand if Players were begging for a rule change and Owners were denying it....there can be some sympathy there. But that isn't the case.

Until the PLAYERS make a strong stand about head injuries and/or fighting...nobody else should care. If George Parros tells me not to care that he got knocked out smashing his face into the ice during a fight....who am I to say that I should?!?

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http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...s-concussions#

Feature on former enforcer Scott Parker, experiencing concussion symptoms 6 years after retirement. Unable to do a lot of physical stuff (due to neurological issues), and problematic short term memory.

He is not part of the concussion lawsuit. (And believes there is still a place for fighting in the game.)

Fought with NHLPA, but now has COBRA (group) insurance he's utilizing with the medical problems.

While he was in hundreds of fights, he pinpoints the start of problems as a puck to the face (in preseason). He lied to the trainers telling them he was good to go when he wasn't.

In January, he'll participate in a NIH three-day test to try and determine what's going on (in his head).

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/g...ews+for+NHL%29

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Former NHL enforcer Gino Odjick, who spent time with the Vancouver Canucks as an on-ice "bodyguard" for star Pavel Bure, was admitted to the psychiatric ward of a Quebec-area hospital over the weekend...
Blames concussions. Since retirement in 2002, has been in hospital for 32 months.

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Blames concussions. Since retirement in 2002, has been in hospital for 32 months.
Lengthy discussion on the main board - with the expected pro-/anti-fighting knee jerk reactions.

Former NHL enforcer Gino Odjick admitted to a psychiatric hospital

The saddest bit was Tarheel's lengthy history ...

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Noteworthy articles that shed some light on the situation:

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Vancouver Sun, April 4, 1994

But with bodies at a premium -- winger Gino Odjick suffered a concussion Saturday and joins four other injured Canucks -- and Vancouver's playoff position far from settled, it's unlikely players will be given games off.
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[other injury news]... Gino Odjick (headaches), with Odjick contending he's just about ready to go again
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September 21, 2002:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hoc..._headaches_ap/

MONTREAL -- Montreal Canadiens forward Gino Odjick has had severe headaches since he was hit by a puck during a summer scrimmage, and might have a concussion.

The 32-year-old Odjick has not practiced since the first day of the Canadiens' training on Sept. 13 because of a suspected concussion.

"I'm worried," Odjick told Le Journal de Montreal in a story published Saturday. "The headaches have gone on for too long."

Odjick was skating with about a dozen other NHL players in August when a shot by Tampa Bay Lightning forward Andre Roy went off a goalpost and struck Odjick on the head, Montreal La Presse reported.

The headaches started soon after that. He has been through tests with team doctors to determine their cause and is scheduled to see a neurologist for more tests on Monday.

"They're not sure yet what it is," Odjick said. "I got hit on the helmet a month ago and the headaches started after that.

"It's been worse in the last few days. I have headaches and I feel tired. I've been taking medication, so I've been able to sleep, but I'm anxious to see the test results. I hope this doesn't put my season or even my career in jeopardy."

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hoc...urday_roundup/

MONTREAL (AP) -- The Montreal Canadiens announced that rough forward Gino Odjick is on an indefinite leave of absence.

"We are not at liberty to comment on the reasons for his absence," Donald Beauchamp, the Canadiens vice president of communications, said Saturday.

On Friday, when asked for a medical update on Odjick, coach Michel Therrien said that the enforcer was having "personal problems." Odjick has been sidelined because of a concussion.

In an interview with Le Journal de Montreal on Saturday, Odjick denied he had personal problems and said he was still recovering from his injury.
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"The way we finished last season, I wanted to come to camp in the best shape of my life." Odjick said yesterday. "I had been working out ... working hard, and then a slapshot hits me on the back of my head. I didn't think anything of it, but then I went home and started throwing up. 'What's this?' I asked myself. 'What's going on?' I was sick and then it went away. I passed my physical and the first day I went to camp, I took a little hit and it started all over again.

"We were just fooling around, and it happened. Just getting ready for the season ... and it happened. I've had concussions before," he said. "Six ... seven times in the NHL, a couple in junior. Nothing bad. Nothing like this. Now ..."

What happened is reflected in eyes that have lost their sparkle sunk deep in a face the colour of chalk, and in a once-booming laugh which now sounds almost like a cry for help. It is there in a step that for now, at least, no longer has a spring to it.

Odjick stayed with the Canadiens for their five days of training at Vail, Colo. - all the while waiting for the demons inside his head to leave, often afraid to sleep ... afraid to wake up. He went looking for help when the team returned to Montreal for the start of the exhibition schedule.

"You need rest," Canadiens chief physician David Mulder told him. "Rest," said Vincent Lacroix. "Rest," said Dr. Karen Johnston, a specialist in post-concussion syndrome.

"They all told me the same thing," Odjick said. "I've had a lot of concussions and each one seemed to take longer. The first was only a couple of days, the next one a few days longer ... six weeks for one in Philadelphia. This one is taking forever. This one, it gets a little bit better and then - don't ask me why - I'm back to Square 1. I have no idea how long this is going to take.

"Some days, most of the time, the headaches are steady. Some days, they just pound and pound. It's never much fun. Then I take my pills and fall asleep. Sometimes," he added, "I sleep 16 hours a day."
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Odjick, 32 and now the father of eight, was struck in the head with a puck during summer workouts and lapsed into post-concussion syndrome. He hasn't played a game this year and was recently dismissed by the Habs for refusing to report to the minors as part of his rehabilitation.

Odjick said it was "too soon, I still had symptoms" and Canadiens' GM Andre Savard responded by saying Odjick was "no longer part of the team."

So now Gino is in limbo but he won't be humming the Johnny Paycheck tune of Take This Job And Shove It.

"Sometimes I wish I didn't have the responsibility of having children and a family to support or I would have," said Odjick.

Turns out the Habs didn't want to pay him because the puck-to-head concussion was sustained during an informal practice. He disputed that interpretation of events, but was bound by a confidentiality agreement not to take it to the media. He never played again.



TL;DR - By his own account, Odjick sustained 6-7 concussions in the NHL and a couple in junior, prior to his major concussion from an offseason slapshot in 2002. From what I could find, only two of the prior concussions (one in 1994; the other in 2000) appear to have been documented in the media, suggesting that they were handled internally or not at all. Odjick attempted to join the Habs in the preseason that fall but immediately sustained another concussion during routine preseason exercises. It was immediately clear that something was seriously wrong with his health. He was told to stay home and rest, but was also denied his salary since the team claimed that his problems stemmed from an offseason incident. He settled with the team out of the public eye and never played again.

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The concussion issues now in sports, particularly with legal avenues being pursued, and more more former players coming out into the media (a 24/7 media at that), it's hard to say which direction things go. Things are going to change I think though in sporting cultures as concussion and 'concussion-like symptoms' is not going away in the daily media.

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http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/04...brain-injuries

NHL Alumni Association and NHLPA refer players to the NHL if they have financial issues getting/paying for insurance due to concussions (or other hockey-related injuries), ala Scott Parker and his COBRA coverage.

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Interesting article from Proteau..

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To be sure, the NHL has made strides in caring for its current and former athletes. In the current CBA, the league and NHL Players’ Association established a joint Health and Safety Committee with tools to help players deal with mental health issues and that’s a good start; so too is the presence of league player safety people such as Brendan Shanahan and Patrick Burke; and the efforts of the NHL Alumni Association don’t go unappreciated.
Is that enough? Sorry, but I don’t think so. Not when there are other examples of sports and entertainment operations that are doing as much, if not more for former employees.
To that end, look at – and part of me can’t believe I’m typing this – Vince McMahon’s World Wrestling Entertainment business. Although he’s a dyed-in-the-wool capitalist, McMahon stepped up in the wake of numerous pro wrestler tragic deaths – drug and alcohol-related, for the most part – to offer fully paid rehabilitation for any performer who worked for his outfit. Dozens of wrestlers have taken him up on the offer – and while not every one of them has found success and full health after doing so, it’s simply the least that WWE could do for people who gave their blood and brains to help the company’s bottom line.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed...i=1&from=goble

NIH study on the use of balance board to help with sports-related concussion testing



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0828092300.htm

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A team led by Daniel Goble, an exercise and nutritional sciences professor at SDSU, have developed software and an inexpensive balance board that can measure balance with 99 percent accuracy on the field and in the clinic. They are testing the device on SDSU's rugby team, with the hope of soon making it available worldwide to athletes of all ages and levels.

Balance tests are a primary method used to detect concussion. The current means of scoring these tests relies on the skill of athletic trainers to visually determine whether or not a concussion has occurred.

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Jeff Brubaker interview, Schenectady Gazette

This was previously posted in the History section under the Newspaper Archive. However, I thought others here might like to read Jeffrey Brubaker's comments in 1988 near the end of the article concerning the culture that the headgear really does create; despite the intentions of preventing injuries, phasing in the helmets really did usher in decreased respect among the players.

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^^^ Ya. Loss of respect for the head, the individual, the player. Though far from it, a feeling of invincibility, that the helmet would completely protect your from head injury be it from a stick or a check (and now fists what with the new rule requiring you leave it on in a fight). High shots & irresponsible stick work. Just a sea change in attitudes when they mandated the helmet (followed by full cages & 1/2 shields) at amateur through Major Junior. A code, ethics of sportsmanship you just didnt cross when playing without a lid gone when they brought that in.

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I remember as a kid, there were some devastating knee injuries
with guys like Hilliard Graves being notorious for going low,
and taking guys out. Lot's of guys careers were ended/altered.

There were calls to do something to protect players.
Pretty soon, size/speed/and armor had guys prowling around
hitting higher.
Pretty soon hitting will be allowed in the logos only
(kind of like Steve Martin explaining the prizes in The Jerk

Not saying cause and effect, but every action....

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http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/...0521386739204/

Expert wants to change culture, where there's a resistance to report concussions.

Even from pre-teens through college, many would rather "just deal" with the symptoms and play through them, than miss out on playing.



A tough challenge.

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MLB is eliminating collisions at home plate.



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Major League Baseball plans to eliminate home plate collisions, possibly as soon as next season but no later than by 2015.

New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson, chairman of the rules committee, made the announcement Wednesday at the winter meetings. Player safety and concern over concussions were major factors in the decision.

"Ultimately what we want to do is change the culture of acceptance that these plays are ordinary and routine and an accepted part of the game," Alderson said. "The costs associated in terms of health and injury just no longer warrant the status quo."

Alderson said wording of the rules change will be presented to owners for approval at their Jan. 16 meeting in Paradise Valley, Ariz.

"The exact language and how exactly the rule will be enforced is subject to final determination," he said. "We're going to do fairly extensive review of the types of plays that occur at home plate to determine which we're going to find acceptable and which are going to be prohibited."

Approval of the players' union is needed for the rules change to be effective for 2014.

"If the players' association were to disapprove, then the implementation of the rule would be suspended for one year, but could be implemented unilaterally after that time," Alderson said.

The union declined comment, pending a review of the proposed change.



Full Story here: http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=438754

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Steve Moore launches concussion prevention foundation: “doing everything possible to avoid preventable concussions and similar serious head and neck injuries in sport, and in helping those suffering from such injuries by developing effective treatments.”

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well...ncussion/?_r=0

New study from Nature studies brains right after concussion, at the cell level.

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The brain is, in many ways, the body’s best-protected organ. Besides the skull, it is shielded by multiple layers of membranes located just beneath the skull that block out harmful molecules. But, as the N.I.H. researchers saw, these membranes became slightly ripped and frayed by the force of the concussion, leaving them leaky and the brain potentially vulnerable to the influx of molecules.
And such molecules soon appeared. “We saw a very quick build-up of reactive oxygen species” in the space between the skull and the brain after the concussion, said Dorian B. McGavern, a senior N.I.H. investigator who oversaw the study. Reactive oxygen species, which are also called free radicals, are known to play a role in various normal tissue processes, including the inflammatory response to any injury, but in excess they can contribute to cell death and tissue damage.
In the case of concussion, the body mounted a brave repair campaign, sending specialized immune cells from the blood and the brain to patch and fill in the frayed membranes. But the process was too slow, allowing an excess of free radicals to pass through the weakened membranes and migrate into the brain tissue, where they soon caused the death of brain cells far from the original impact site.

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Why the NFL can't fix concussions "any time soon"

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So how do you stop players from becoming even more withdrawn with information about their brain injuries as more emphasis is being placed on them? Hard to say. It's simply not in a player's best interest (at least immediately) to let the staff know every time he's shaken up, and possibly make himself the case study in a team winning some PR by sitting him for the remainder of a season, then quietly releasing him in the offseason. When it is in his interest is after staying in a game he should have come out of, and then screwing up in overtime. And that's the real issue the NFL has on its hands with Dickerson today: At what point does an undiagnosed concussion become (or in a roundabout way, go back to being) commonplace enough that players feel comfortable enough discussing it to explain a poor play, not much removed from a high ankle sprain or a broken pinky on the throwing hand?

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I do wonder how long (in any league) before we start seeing players who get hit with what appear to be "concussion blows" (for lack of any better term on my part)-mandatory removal from current game and placed on inactive for x amount of days regardless of how they "feel" for precautionary reasons while undergoing testing. I mentioned this in another thread.

Yes I know PA's will probably not be eager to do that, but if owners at some point feel that the players are not capable of proper judgement-may feel they need to protect their investment/protect players "from themselves". But Players Associations I do admit will fight very hard against this for quite a long time-so it's not something that's going to happen anytime soon.

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MLB has approved new cap for pitchers. It will be available for spring training. Optional.

Helps protect pitchers from line drives that have sometimes hit them in the head.

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Feature on former NHLer Gino Odjick still has significant mental issues, resulting from his career as enforcer, 12 years after retiring from NHL.

Spoke at recent sports-concussion symposium.

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MRI studies show micro brain damage in varsity hockey players after concussions

[MOD NOTE]: This was initially posted as its own thread however, it was merged into this existing one.

However, going forward, all future articles referenced need some sort of commentary to coincide with the post. Simply stating that the article is threadworthy on its own or "read this" will not suffice


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...243439491.html


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To conduct these studies, researchers used advanced techniques to analyze MRI brain scans of 45 male and female athletes who played on two undisclosed Canadian university hockey teams during the 2011-2012 season.

The players were asked to undergo MRIs at the beginning and end of the season. Those who had a concussion also had MRIs within 72 hours of the brain injury, at two weeks and again at two months.

Eleven players — five males and six females — had concussions during the season, and one of them had a second concussion in a subsequent game, all observed and diagnosed by independent doctors unconnected to the teams.

The first study looked at the movement of fluid in and around cells within 72 hours and determined there were changes to the white matter, which appeared to be caused by an inflammatory response to the injury.

"What we think we see is some kind of immune response that is activated right after the concussion," co-author Ofer Pasternak, a researcher at Brigham and Women's Hospital, said Monday from Boston.

"We cannot say yet whether it is long-term damage," although such changes might contribute to long-term neurological deficits or to degenerative diseases such as chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, in the future, he said.

The second study measured small changes in the blood vessels, which were detected right after a concussion, peaked at two weeks, but had resolved by the two-month MRI. These vascular changes were statistically significant only in male players, although the researchers don't know why.

Although these blood vessel effects went away in the varsity players, Pasternak said it's not clear if that would be the case in people who suffer multiple concussions over a period of years.

"And we don't know whether the changes in vascular properties would be affecting other types of changes in the brain that would persist for a longer time," he said.
In the final study, researchers compared the brain scans of players who had been concussed with non-concussed league-mates and found differences in their white-matter microstructure, which were still evident by the end-of-season MRI.


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