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09-27-2010, 04:19 PM
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Do you actually believe that? Or did you increase the prescription on your homer glasses? We would finish last in that division easily, even with a decent record.
Considering that the NHL hasn't used a divisional playoff format in quite sometime, I think we'd be fine.

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09-27-2010, 04:40 PM
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The Pens are about as much a rival as Detroit or Chicago, meaning they'd just beat up on us if we were in the East. No thanks.
All-time, we're 4-4-2-1 vs. the Pens, having been outscored 38-36. Not too bad. I think we have a decent record against the East, in general, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Since you mentioned the Pens, I just checked them.

The main point, as if you didn't know, is that we're an eastern time zone team and have no business playing so few games in our own time zone. The competition is tough, whatever division we're in, but the travel requirements and game time starts for broadcasts are a major hardship.

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09-27-2010, 05:19 PM
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The games that have the "feel" of rivalries are the ones for which the "enemy" fans travel well and invade Nationwide. There is an enemy threshold level, above which our crowd gets off its collective rear end and starts making noise.

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Buffalo
Pittsburgh
and the growing Chicago crowd (since flights are cheap and the games aren't sold out here)
with Detroit declining.
The Jackets have a great record vs the Sabres so far, I don't think they (Sabres) would mind having us in their division because the trip to either town is only 5 hours. I think it could evolve as a rivalry, it might be nice for the Sabres to change it up a bit.

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09-28-2010, 09:32 AM
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I think we need to take a more long-term view about re-alignment than just whether the CBJ would make the playoffs in that division this year. In that way the argument about travel becomes much more important.

But i agree the only way this happens is if there is expansion/relocation; nobody's gonna want to take our spot in the central.

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09-28-2010, 09:34 AM
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Unfortunately, geography means nothing in the NHL.

This has been brought up many times, and yes, Columbus is a natural fit in the East. Attendance would spike due to more natural rivalries, and the ability of other eastern conference fans to easily travel to Columbus for games.

Here is the issue. Detroit desires to be in the Eastern conference, and because of their seniority in the league, Bettman has promised that they would be the first team to move should the opportunity arise.

Columbus would need two teams in the West via expansion or team moves to be able to make it to the East.

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09-28-2010, 10:54 AM
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YEAH!!!

Seriously though, I think the entire league needs re-alignment. Not just East/West; who says there needs to be two different conferences? What about 6 divisions, and the top 16 teams make the playoffs reguardless of their geographical location? A team like Calgary is a prime example - they would have been in the playoffs last season under this format. Division alignment would be a little easier, IMO, under this format.

SE: Florida, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Nashville, Carolina
Atlantic: Washington, Philadelphia, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
NE: NY Rangers, NY Islanders, Boston, New Jersey, Montreal
Central: Toronto, Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Ottawa
NW: Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Minnesota
SW: Phoenix, San Jose, LA Kings, Anaheim, Dallas

I think seperating the conferences under a format similar to this makes plenty of sense.
I don't see expansion being possible, but I think team's may move in the next three years. Nashville, Florida, Atlanta, Phoenix.....you never know.

I'd like to see the next teams to move (or expand) in Seattle and Quebec City.

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09-28-2010, 12:21 PM
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Do you actually believe that? Or did you increase the prescription on your homer glasses? We would finish last in that division easily, even with a decent record.
Yeah, we're having so much more success than that in our current division!

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Yeah, we're having so much more success than that in our current division!
Take off your homer glasses dude.

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09-28-2010, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, we're having so much more success than that in our current division!
Somehow the proposed division was tougher, which is impressive.

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09-30-2010, 11:29 AM
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I'd be more inclined to simply take the move to the Eastern Conference vs. trying hard to hide it behind trying to stoke "Natural/Geographical/Time Zone Rivalries"

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09-30-2010, 06:43 PM
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There's actually a very sensible realignment that makes geographic sense without a ton of radical change:

Pittsburgh -> Central
Washington -> Atlantic
Nashville -> SE

Each of these teams would be closer to geographic rivals and thus save a lot on traveling costs.


But it would never happen as it would break up the Pens - Flyers.

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09-30-2010, 06:49 PM
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I don't understand why it can't be switched to North/South conferences rather than East/West.

Makes so much sense...

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Where's the line?

Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston, New York(x2), Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey in the north?

Those are (by my geographic understanding) the 15 northern-most teams...

San Jose, Colorado, St. Louis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philly, Washington, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, Anaheim, Florida, Tampa Bay in the South, then...

At first I thought the idea was a bit crazy, but now looking at it I think it could work.

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I don't understand why it can't be switched to North/South conferences rather than East/West.

Makes so much sense...
Seeing as it increases the travel, it doesn't make any sense at all.

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I think it levels the playing field a bit on travel. Maybe when other teams have to play 20 back-to-backs with half of them being in two time zones the LO will stop doing it.

/wishful thinking

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Seeing as it increases the travel, it doesn't make any sense at all.
But it would make travel equal for all teams.

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Where's the line?

Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston, New York(x2), Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey in the north?

Those are (by my geographic understanding) the 15 northern-most teams...

San Jose, Colorado, St. Louis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philly, Washington, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, Anaheim, Florida, Tampa Bay in the South, then...

At first I thought the idea was a bit crazy, but now looking at it I think it could work.
So all Canadian and Original Six teams in one conference? From a marketing standpoint, that's disastrous.

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So all Canadian and Original Six teams in one conference? From a marketing standpoint, that's disastrous.
As if the NHL has legit marketing anyway.

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But it would make travel equal for all teams.
By screwing over every team even more?

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By screwing over every team even more?
So it's right to screw over two teams, one of which has had nearly 100 years of history to build and adjust while the other has been introduced to the league and has to adjust immediately? Hmm...

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We're not going to go East, and personally, I don't really want to.

- Everyone knows that the East has a lighter travel schedule, so everyone wants to be East. (But it probably only matters for players' quality of life; not on-ice success - see Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, etc.).

- The reason no one "hates us" is because we don't beat anyone. If us and Nashville end up deep in the playoffs 3 years in a row, we will have a rivalry with Nashville. Same thing for Detroit, or Chicago, or whoever. The Pittsburgh-Washington rivalry is a temporary phenomenon that results from 2 players and the teams' current success. It will not last forever.

- Culturally, we're very clearly a midwest city, and we have no place in the Atlantic Division or Northeast Division. Our regional capital is Chicago; we have a lot in common with Detroit, Chicago, Nashville, etc (old school Northwest territory and Big Ten). Obviously we have some in common with Pittsburgh, but not the rest of their division. It doesn't make sense to move us away from our division.



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So it's right to screw over two teams, one of which has had nearly 100 years of history to build and adjust while the other has been introduced to the league and has to adjust immediately? Hmm...
It may suck, but short of moving the team to Whitehorse, I don't see a better situation.

And besides, your conspiracy theory falls apart because Detroit is in the exact same boat. Stick to the ref conspiracy theories.

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Pens-Caps has been going on for awhile, I want to say as far back as when Jagr was a Pen

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There's actually a very sensible realignment that makes geographic sense without a ton of radical change:

Pittsburgh -> Central
Washington -> Atlantic
Nashville -> SE

Each of these teams would be closer to geographic rivals and thus save a lot on traveling costs.


But it would never happen as it would break up the Pens - Flyers.
I guess I would be much more sympathetic to such a hardship if, say, folks cared more about rivalries between Buffalo and the New York City teams.

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Where's the line?

Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston, New York(x2), Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey in the north?

Those are (by my geographic understanding) the 15 northern-most teams...

San Jose, Colorado, St. Louis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philly, Washington, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, Anaheim, Florida, Tampa Bay in the South, then...

At first I thought the idea was a bit crazy, but now looking at it I think it could work.
We'd go from being one of the two easternmost teams in the West (alongside Detroit) to one of the two northernmost teams in the South (alongside Pittsburgh). I don't see how that's an improvement.

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I guess I would be much more sympathetic to such a hardship if, say, folks cared more about rivalries between Buffalo and the New York City teams.



We'd go from being one of the two easternmost teams in the West (alongside Detroit) to one of the two northernmost teams in the South (alongside Pittsburgh). I don't see how that's an improvement.
Time zones don't go north to south.

At least with a North/South alignment, EVERY team would be affected by the travel times...not just Columbus and Detroit.

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