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09-25-2010, 08:43 PM
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Trading to make space? But who?

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oh boy Fedotenko is going to make it tough not to sign him............man this will be a tough call..........Sather must be on the phone looking at trade options

But who can they trade? Will they trade Prospal as soon as the season begins? No, and neither will they trade Fro. Doesn't make sense. Trade Dubi for picks? Cally? Really? Avery, Christ? No value to other teams. Who can they trade?

Looks like Kennedy and Fed would start as alternatives and MZA will go down to Hartford.

Then midway through the season, Prospal can be traded to make room for MZA.

If the team is not doing well (which I expect unless the youth steps up big time), Fro can also be dealt away. But if the team is doing well, then one or two of the NHL-quality players would have to ride the bus in the AHL.

To be honest, I don't see the point to all of this. Let's say Fed can play as a solid third liner. So? Why do we need so many of those? Will that make a difference for us? No, I won't.

I still would not sign him just to keep our contracts lower unless Slats thinks he can turn either him or Kennedy into a 3/4-round draft pick a few months into the season. Personally, I doubt that's possible.

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09-25-2010, 08:48 PM
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They don't need to trade anyone. Once Redden is in Hartford, we have enough have space no matter who makes the team.

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They don't need to trade anyone. Once Redden is in Hartford, we have enough have space no matter who makes the team.

Enough cap space, not really enough playing spots. I presume if Fed signs with us, he wants to play. I doubt he wants near-minimum salary to sit in the stands. If I'm him, I reject that offer and go find a team that actually allows me to play.

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Enough cap space, not really enough playing spots. I presume if Fed signs with us, he wants to play. I doubt he wants near-minimum salary to sit in the stands. If I'm him, I reject that offer and go find a team that actually allows me to play.
Fedotenko did well and all 2nite but with the numbers he has to be out eventually. Good for him if he gets a job with his play though

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Move Prospal over to RW, is the first order of business.

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Move Prospal over to RW, is the first order of business.
MZA goes down then

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MZA goes down then
I think so. Fedotenko in the lineup brings more to this team right now

Frolov-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Prospal
Avery/Fedotenko-Kennedy-Callahan
Avery/Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

EX; Christensen, Boogaard

Staal-Girardi
Rozsival-McDonagh
MDZ-Sauer
Semenov

to start the season, move Boyle to scratch when Drury comes back.

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MZA goes down then
i'm ok with MZA down to start. Let him light up the minors first. he's real young still

Avery Drury, Prospal is my eventual 3rd line so I agree one of Avery / Prospal to the opposite wing

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I think so. Fedotenko in the lineup brings more to this team right now

Frolov-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Prospal
Avery/Fedotenko-Kennedy-Callahan
Avery/Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

EX; Christensen, Boogaard

Staal-Girardi
Rozsival-McDonagh
MDZ-Sauer
Semenov

to start the season, move Boyle to scratch when Drury comes back.
This should be the 7 D to start the season but unfortunately I see Torts keeping Gilroy and Sauer getting claimed.

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I think so. Fedotenko in the lineup brings more to this team right now

Frolov-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Prospal
Avery/Fedotenko-Kennedy-Callahan
Avery/Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

EX; Christensen, Boogaard

Staal-Girardi
Rozsival-McDonagh
MDZ-Sauer
Semenov

to start the season, move Boyle to scratch when Drury comes back.
I see something similar:

Frolov - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Fedotenko - Kennedy - Prospal
Avery - Boyle - Prust
Ex: Christensen, Boogaard

Staal - Girardi
Del Zotto - Rozsival
McDonagh - Gilroy
Ex: Semenov

Then when Drury returns:

Frolov - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Fedotenko - Drury - Prospal
Avery - Kennedy/Boyle - Prust
Ex: Christensen, Kennedy/Boyle, Boogaard

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I think nothing happens trade wise, Zuc goes to HFD and is the first call up in event of injury

Frolov Stepan Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Prospal
Fedotenko Kennedy Callahan
Avery Drury (both get 2nd unit PP time and PK) Prust/Boogaard

Staal Girardi
Rozi MDZ
McDonagh Gilroy

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i like Fedotenko's game i hope he makes the team he looked good tonight

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[QUOTE=NYR Fan in PGH;27952289]I see something similar:

Frolov - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Fedotenko - Kennedy - Prospal
Avery - Boyle - Prust
Ex: Christensen, Boogaard

Staal - Girardi
Del Zotto - Rozsival
McDonagh - Gilroy
Ex: Semenov

Then when Drury returns:

Frolov - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Fedotenko - Drury - Prospal
Avery - Kennedy/Boyle - Prust
Ex: Christensen, Kennedy/Boyle, Boogaard[/QUOTE

This sounds right.

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I don't think we're going to see any trades coming soon. Coaches still don't know what's what on their team. Internal battles going on with every team. Everyone wants to promote the youth, if possible.

Sit back, let the players fight it out, see how things work out, then look to make a move once things have settled down. It's a cluster**** everywhere.

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If Stepan makes the team Fedotenko does not. Its as simple as that

There is just no room unless they make a trade and even if one body goes out its tough

based on the pre season so far. mix up the lines however u like

Frolov, Stepan, Gaborik
Dubinsky, Anisimov, Callahan
Prospal, Drury, Avery
Boogaard, Christiensen/Kennedy/Boyle Prust

carry two spare Forwards

Grachev, Zuccarello , Byers, Weise, Newbury, Williams down

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I wouldn't say that. Ones a Center, one is a LW.

I would venture to say that if Stepan makes it, and it is still an "if", its Christensen that gets the boot. Out of the lineup completely.

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I think so. Fedotenko in the lineup brings more to this team right now

Frolov-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Prospal
Avery/Fedotenko-Kennedy-Callahan
Avery/Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

EX; Christensen, Boogaard

Staal-Girardi
Rozsival-McDonagh
MDZ-Sauer
Semenov

to start the season, move Boyle to scratch when Drury comes back.
I agree with this as far as the roster goes from what we have seen so far.

Just some slight adjustments to the D.


Frolov. Stepan. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Prospal
Fedotenko. Drury. Callahan

4th: Avery. Prust. Boyle. Kennedy. Boogaard

Staal(L). Girardi(R)
Del Zotto(L). Rozsival(R)
McDonagh(L). Sauer(R)

ex: Semenov

Lundqvist
Biron


That's a pretty well balanced lineup.

And I'd roll 3 lines consistently. With that top line obviously getting the most time.

I like Zuccarello but there's a numbers game here as far as how many guys can dress.

Camp still isn't over by a long shot, though. Zuccarello could break out. Grachev could break out. And Fedotenko could drop off.

Never know who is going to do what.

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I would venture to say that if Stepan makes it, and it is still an "if", its Christensen that gets the boot. Out of the lineup completely.

Any chance we can get anything, anything at all for him? Like a 5th rounder? I wouldn't mind that very much.

Frolov and Rosie for 1st.
Prospal for 3rd and 7th.
Sauer and Byers for 4th.
Christ for 5th.


We already got a 2nd and a 6th for Sanger.

This would give us double the picks in each round. Yeah, yeah, I know, we weren't knocked out of the playoffs yet, but we will be long before the trading deadline hits. We exchanged Jokinen for Frolov, while others in the Atlantic made some real good additions - and we were not a playoff team last year.

Unless MDZ suddenly turns into Green or Stepan into Toews, we ain't makin' it. It's not about what I want to happen, it's about being realistic.


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Anaheim is clearly in need of a defenseman but ownership has put in a 55 million self imposed cap.
If the icelanders have lost Streit then there is a need and I think Gilroy would be PERFECT there. Local kid, sells tix, former ranger.

But honestly I don't see any trades until at least after the first few weeks of the season. Lets coach see who meshes and who doesn't.

Christensen could just as easily be in the AHL as the NHL.

MZA could probably use the increased icetime in the AHL, versus less time with NYR. Hopefully he proves his detractors wrong !

Its Stepan or Todd White, not both

I think we will see Boyle on the wing where he can play along the boards and be a north south guy much like the move with Dubinsky.

Kennedy as the center with a shuffle of Boyle, Prust, Boogaard, in and out of the lineup.

I think Avery is odd man out, and perhaps someone will take him. Hopefully out West. 1.9 million isn't an overly huge hit however and SA does have history in NY...

With the Wade gone, I can see NY having 7 including Sauer and McDonaugh. They could do worse than Semenov I suppose but I think Semenov leaves for the KHL rather than report to the AHL. Space for 2 dmen. Valentenko is also in the mix I reckon.

All in all its a good problem to have

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Any chance we can get anything, anything at all for him? Like a 5th rounder? I wouldn't mind that very much.

Frolov and Rosie for 1st.
Prospal for 3rd and 7th.
Sauer and Byers for 4th.
Christ for 5th.


We already got a 2nd and a 6th for Sanger.

This would give us double the picks in each round. Yeah, yeah, I know, we weren't knocked out of the playoffs yet, but we will be long before the trading deadline hits. We exchanged Jokinen for Frolov, while others in the Atlantic made some real good additions - and we were not a playoff team last year.

Unless MDZ suddenly turns into Green or Stepan into Toews, we ain't makin' it. It's not about what I want to happen, it's about being realistic.
My goodness man...it's September 26th. Can we at least start the regular season before we trade away the entire roster?

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My goodness man...it's September 26th. Can we at least start the regular season before we trade away the entire roster?


It's preseason around here alright

Frolov and Rosie for a 1st? What GM would make that move besides ours?

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Frolov and Rosie for a 1st? What GM would make that move besides ours?

Teams making a run at the Cup have given up more for less. It would be a very late first rounder, at that. Remember what the Rangers gave up for Kurri and McSorley, who were both significantly worse than the two guys we'd be giving up. It's not the only such case either, just one Ranger fans would be most familiar with.

Consider the Comrie and Campoli brought back MORE than a first rounder.

The following players brought back a return of at least a second rounder, in some cases more than that:

  • Dominic Moore
  • Joe Corvo
  • Eric Belanger
  • Andy Sutton
  • Denis Grebeshnikov
  • Niclas Wallin


Here's a list from 2009:
  • Dominic Moore (yup, got traded for a second rounder twice)
  • Ales Kotalik
  • Antropov
  • Carcillo


If 'Fro has a decent year, he will be significantly more valuable than almost all these players. Rosie, assuming he has a decent year, is no less valuable than a whole bunch of the guys on this list.

So to expect a pair of seconds or one lower first is not unreasonable.

Again, if Campoli and Comrie bring back a late first round first, I see no reason why 'Fro and Rosie can't bring back a similar pick.

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My goodness man...it's September 26th. Can we at least start the regular season before we trade away the entire roster?
I'm just not overly optimistic this year. As far as I see it, we remained the same (Joke exchanged for 'Fro) as our non-playoff team last year, whereas all our Atlantic competitors got better.

Maybe Stepan turns into a second Stasny. Maybe MDZ becomes a young Leetch. More likely, however, is that we are in for a long, long season and a top-10 pick next June.

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If 'Fro has a decent year, he will be significantly more valuable than almost all these players. Rosie, assuming he has a decent year, is no less valuable than a whole bunch of the guys on this list.
Ever consider that if Frolov and Rozsival have good years, this could be a top 4 team in the Eastern Conference? Does the trade crap ever stop around here?

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Ever consider that if Frolov and Rozsival have good years, this could be a top 4 team in the Eastern Conference?
I considered it, then decided it's impossible unless they have totally unexpected years with 'Fro getting 85+ and Rosie 50+ (or unless some other players have unexpected career seasons).

If Rosie puts up 29 points and 'Fro puts up 58 (that's their career average per 82 games), we do not come anywhere near the top-4, no matter how much we may want that to happen.

I just want to be on the record here that I was the first person to call that this team is going nowhere this year, as I also was last season.

It's not a matter of being a fan or liking the team colors, it's a matter of realism.

My season expectations are based on us struggling to make the playoffs. This is certainly not a team that can be top-4. I mean, look at our middle: Stepan? Christ? Anisimov? Boyle? Kennedy? Who has proven that he can play on a legitimate team's second line, much less first?

It's possible that Stepan and Anisimov score 70 points this season, but it's so unlikely that I can't base my expectations on that.

I'll be very happy if it happens, but I just can't expect it. And with no centers who are expected to hit even half-a-point per game, we can't be expected to compete with Washington, Pitts, Philly, Devils, and possibly not even the Isles.

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