If if if you are entertaining the thought of a trade, you may want to think about not jamming new characters into roles our young players are ready to fill.
I think acquiring draft picks is an acceptable medium between this Weiss/Brassard thing and losing our promising youth to waiver wire pickups.
Nothing is certain. The puck may jump or you may shank the shot. Always true.
Understand where you are coming from here, still you make the trade so that the guy your getting will fit into the rest of the team, at least you hope. If they do make a trade, lets hope they do their research first. Also the difference between draft picks and players is obviously those players can step in and help us now, as opposed to gambling on the draft or development of a young player. This is all redundant at this point. But like you say, lets just hope they get at least something for these people.
So if the Rangers were to trade Girardi for Brassard, you would be disappointed.
Are you asking my permission, Mr. Sather?
All kidding aside, I'm not really sure. I don't think disappointed is the right word. Surprised, maybe? If they think Sauer or McDonagh can step up and fill the void Girardi leaves, then I could see it happening. If we're getting last years Brassard, it's a lateral move at best. However, if we're getting the player of the prior season, then it could prove to be a good move.
What exactly has Filatov shown to be worth THAT much?
A first round pick, second line winger and a potential second line winger for a guy who has done absolutely jack? That's an awful lot to pay for potential.
Maybe replacing Dubi with someone else would be better, but Filatov would be great under Torts' system... unlike that snoozefest in CBJ.
Maybe replacing Dubi with someone else would be better, but Filatov would be great under Torts' system... unlike that snoozefest in CBJ.
I agree he would be great here. He has a lot of potential. But I think CBJ would want a huge overpayment for the #6 overall pick in the '08 draft and arguably one of the top 5 prospects in the entire league.
Maybe replacing Dubi with someone else would be better, but Filatov would be great under Torts' system... unlike that snoozefest in CBJ.
I don't care what system it is. He hasn't shown ANYTHING. And even if you take Dubi out of the trade...Grachev and a first is still too much for him. Try Sauer and our other second...you are grossly over-valuing Filatov.
I don't care what system it is. He hasn't shown ANYTHING. And even if you take Dubi out of the trade...Grachev and a first is still too much for him. Try Sauer and our other second...you are grossly over-valuing Filatov.
what do you mean filatov hasnt showed anything? The kid was shoved into Hitchcocks dog house and never let out. hes 20 years old id take him in a heartbeat.
All kidding aside, I'm not really sure. I don't think disappointed is the right word. Surprised, maybe? If they think Sauer or McDonagh can step up and fill the void Girardi leaves, then I could see it happening. If we're getting last years Brassard, it's a lateral move at best. However, if we're getting the player of the prior season, then it could prove to be a good move.
Getting last year's Brassard is why the deal could get done. The question is are they willing take a step back, in order to really build around their young core, as Tortorella has discussed. Of course there's risk. But, I think the end result is worth the risk. I think Brassard/Stepan/Anisimov has the chance to make the Rangers very strong for years to come, and I also believe Michael has the ability to be a solid 2nd-pairing D-man. So, I make that kind of deal for the long-term. But, I also was in favor of the Tyutin-Zherdev swap.
what do you mean filatov hasnt showed anything? The kid was shoved into Hitchcocks dog house and never let out. hes 20 years old id take him in a heartbeat.
For Dubi, Grachev and a first? Are you out of your mind?
what do you mean filatov hasnt showed anything? The kid was shoved into Hitchcocks dog house and never let out. hes 20 years old id take him in a heartbeat.
Not for an overpayment....I'd like to get him but for potential I'm not giving up Dubi and a draft pick.....what if he bombs and becomes another Zherdev or god forbid Alexander Daigle
Than not only did we lose a draft pick but a strong 2nd/3rd liner in dubi
Right now the only player in the discussions worth trading for is Weiss. He improves this team right now, players like Brassard and Filatov would be fantastic if they were ready to contribute at a high level. Richards would be nice but not for a year so I am a bit skeptical of that move.
LOL how exatcly does Dubinsky not fit this roster?
I swear sometimes people say things just to get a rise out of others.
Dubinsky is NOT getting traded.
Because half of these people are dreaming of filling this roster with nothing but finesse players. Because they think that's what will win this team a championship and because they still haven't learned a damn thing.
Then, if such a thing ever happens; they'll be screaming bloody murder when all the finesse players are getting hammered and pulverized by our opponents. They'll scream that the Rangers never draft and groom their own physical forwards with some size and who can pitch in 20 goals. And that there's no one on the Top Two lines to protect the "Elite" finesse players.
All the while convienantly ignoring and forgetting the fact they screamed like a bunch of teenage girls to run Dubinsky out of town.
And the cycle of Rangers fans absurdity continues................
They watched pre-season games where several players played well, so Dubinsky is no longer needed And it also worked out that way on their Playstation video game hockey.
But when the real season starts.........oh my......what will the pre-season mean, then.....
what do you mean filatov hasnt showed anything? The kid was shoved into Hitchcocks dog house and never let out. hes 20 years old id take him in a heartbeat.
One more not....you do realize Filatov has 6! yes 6 NHL points.
He has not proven anything and you are out of your mind if you think we should give up not only Dubi but Grachev and a pick for him. Honestly, i'd trade a pick for this kid and nothing more....maybe a prospect like sauer or something like that.....nothing that can't be replaced in house
Not for an overpayment....I'd like to get him but for potential I'm not giving up Dubi and a draft pick.....what if he bombs and becomes another Zherdev or god forbid Alexander Daigle
Than not only did we lose a draft pick but a strong 2nd/3rd liner in dubi
Yeah....let me clarify. I would totally take him for the right price. Just not Dubi, Grachev and a 1st.
All kidding aside, I'm not really sure. I don't think disappointed is the right word. Surprised, maybe? If they think Sauer or McDonagh can step up and fill the void Girardi leaves, then I could see it happening. If we're getting last years Brassard, it's a lateral move at best. However, if we're getting the player of the prior season, then it could prove to be a good move.
As long as it is a clear improvement........better D, LW, RW or C....It is fine to take Girardi. Staal partners well with him but he can use an upgrade. If say McD or Val can step up to the level if not better, hey why not add Girardi to some kind of trade package. I won't even object to a bag of good draft picks in return. Don't forget that a good pipeline of young players is an important thing in salary cap system. It would be a great thing to see a bunch of 23 ~ 25 years old players going up and down the ice.
One more not....you do realize Filatov has 6! yes 6 NHL points.
He has not proven anything and you are out of your mind if you think we should give up not only Dubi but Grachev and a pick for him. Honestly, i'd trade a pick for this kid and nothing more....maybe a prospect like sauer or something like that.....nothing that can't be replaced in house
Let me ask you this, what would you ask for in return for Chris Kreider? He hasn't even played pro hockey yet. Filatov is going to be a very dynamic offensive player in this league for long time. Sauer + a pick is not going to get you a player like him.
Because half of these people are dreaming of filling this roster with nothing but finesse players. Because they think that's what will win this team a championship and because they still haven't learned a damn thing.
Then, if such a thing ever happens; they'll be screaming bloody murder when all the finesse players are getting hammered and pulverized by our opponents. They'll scream that the Rangers never draft and groom their own physical forwards with some size and who can pitch in 20 goals. And that there's no one on the Top Two lines to protect the "Elite" finesse players.
All the while convienantly ignoring and forgetting the fact they screamed like a bunch of teenage girls to run Dubinsky out of town.
And the cycle of Rangers fans absurdity continues................
They watched pre-season games where several players played well, so Dubinsky is no longer needed And it also worked out that way on their Playstation video game hockey.
But when the real season starts.........oh my......what will the pre-season mean, then.....
We have plenty of players who can hit and get in on the forecheck. It would be nice to have one more top 6 skilled forward. I don't understand why some people want our team loaded with grinders. That's all Dubi is, hes a very good grinder.
We have plenty of players who can hit and get in on the forecheck. It would be nice to have one more top 6 skilled forward. I don't understand why some people want our team loaded with grinders. That's all Dubi is, hes a very good grinder.
A grinder who scored 20 goals in 69 games? Come on now, he's easily a 25-30 goal scorer in his prime.
Maybe we acquire the the key or missing piece the team needs to be a true contender.
Downside of trading Dubinsky:
Young. 24 yrs old.
Lots of potential.
Good size, physicality and passion.
Improves incrementally each year. Could possibly break out.
At worst bottoms out as a perfect 3rd liner. 40 - 50 pts per year.
Lose a member of the Rangers core youth for an unknown quantity who may or may not fit.
To me we probably wind up with a lateral move at best. So I'm not sure why we do this.
Because half of these people are dreaming of filling this roster with nothing but finesse players. Because they think that's what will win this team a championship and because they still haven't learned a damn thing.
Then, if such a thing ever happens; they'll be screaming bloody murder when all the finesse players are getting hammered and pulverized by our opponents. They'll scream that the Rangers never draft and groom their own physical forwards with some size and who can pitch in 20 goals. And that there's no one on the Top Two lines to protect the "Elite" finesse players.
All the while convienantly ignoring and forgetting the fact they screamed like a bunch of teenage girls to run Dubinsky out of town.
And the cycle of Rangers fans absurdity continues................
They watched pre-season games where several players played well, so Dubinsky is no longer needed And it also worked out that way on their Playstation video game hockey.
But when the real season starts.........oh my......what will the pre-season mean, then.....
Hopefully for Dubinsky's sake pre season doesn't repeat it's self when the regular season starts because he was absolutely invisible the last game he played and hasn't looked great. It's not just a matter of wanting to run him out of town because we're picking on him it's just speculative. No need to be so defensive but then again I wouldn't expect much less from the Dubi fan boys.
Maybe we acquire the the key or missing piece the team needs to be a true contender.
Downside of trading Dubinsky:
Young. 24 yrs old.
Lots of potential.
Good size, physicality and passion.
Improves incrementally each year. Could possibly break out.
At worst bottoms out as a perfect 3rd liner. 40 - 50 pts per year.
Lose a member of the Rangers core youth for an unknown quantity who may or may not fit.
To me we probably wind up with a lateral move at best. So I'm not sure why we do this.
You forget to address the fact that maybe he doesn't live up to his potential. nothing is certain. And if you can flip him for someone that does, then that is a HUGE benefit of trading him. Not advocating trading him here, just that that is a distinct possibility as well. If it was for Weiss, that is an upgrade.
We have plenty of players who can hit and get in on the forecheck. It would be nice to have one more top 6 skilled forward. I don't understand why some people want our team loaded with grinders. That's all Dubi is, hes a very good grinder.
Oh really? The why did the Top Two lines struggle so badly in the forwcheck and winning battles, when Dubinsky was injured?
And why did Gabby's line struggle on the forecheck so badly, when Dubi was not playing on that line?
