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09-30-2010, 09:06 PM
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I've got a dumb question vis a vis Huet and Nylander scenarios.

If for some (very hypothetical) reason an NHL team wanted to have Nylander and was willing to pay his full shot, do the capitals have to pay half of Nylander's salary (and cap hit) for the rest of his contract, or is it still possible for a team to pick him up without the capitals being stuck for half?

I think essentially what I'm asking is whether the 1/2 salary lunch on return to the NHL relates specifically to players assigned to an AHL team or applies in any case even if the loaned-to team is not in the AHL.
Do you mean via trade, like they want the player or via loan for the minor league team?

In the case of straight trade, I believe the traded player would be put on re-entry waivers by the team that traded for him.

In the case of a loan to a minor league, the team who gets him only has pay a small AHL salary.

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09-30-2010, 09:09 PM
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Rishaug has said on twitter that Minny is not interested in Gerber.
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug

Also, if Souray clears waivers tomorrow, does that not mean he would have to go through re-entry waivers to be called back up? Does that not make a trade completely out of the question? No team will trade for Souray then lose him on re-entry.

Seems like that's what https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty is saying.
I still worry about Washington, apparently Varlamov is nicked up, i think.

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09-30-2010, 09:13 PM
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I still worry about Washington, apparently Varlamov is nicked up, i think.
Yeah, didn't know that. Supposedly he's just resting a minor injury, but you never know.

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Rishaug has said on twitter that Minny is not interested in Gerber.
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug

Also, if Souray clears waivers tomorrow, does that not mean he would have to go through re-entry waivers to be called back up? Does that not make a trade completely out of the question? No team will trade for Souray then lose him on re-entry.

Seems like that's what https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty is saying.
No. If he gets sent to the AHL then he has to clear re-entry waivers to re-enter the league. He is not going to be sent down tomorrow he is only going to clear waivers which is a preliminary step before he can be sent down.

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No. If he gets sent to the AHL then he has to clear re-entry waivers to re-enter the league. He is not going to be sent down tomorrow he is only going to clear waivers which is a preliminary step before he can be sent down.
That's exactly what he said.

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09-30-2010, 09:28 PM
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Do you mean via trade, like they want the player or via loan for the minor league team?

In the case of straight trade, I believe the traded player would be put on re-entry waivers by the team that traded for him.

In the case of a loan to a minor league, the team who gets him only has pay a small AHL salary.
So bottom line: once a player is assigned to any team (AHL or other), he must pass through recall waivers? If he doesn't, the team that originally assigned him has to pay half the players salary for the rest of his contract, right?

Anyway, thanks again..

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09-30-2010, 09:37 PM
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I know that every Oiler fan in here likes to think that this is all on Souray's head, but the fact is that it's yet another dark chapter in the Oilers mangement vs players(and ufa's) saga. Anyone who really thinks that one party is 100% to blame here and the other is as pure as the driven snow is living in a fantasy land.

No matter what you believe, this isn't doing anything to help get us off the bottom of the "UFA's Preferred Destinations" list.
Don't care. It has to be done because once a player goes public with comments/accusations like that, the team has to draw a line. Also, winning will bring every UFA there is. While it may be painful, the team had to stand up to this.

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09-30-2010, 09:59 PM
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No. If he gets sent to the AHL then he has to clear re-entry waivers to re-enter the league. He is not going to be sent down tomorrow he is only going to clear waivers which is a preliminary step before he can be sent down.
I would assume if he is traded then he no longer has to clear re entry. I assume that rule only applies for the teams that put him on waivers

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09-30-2010, 10:14 PM
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So bottom line: once a player is assigned to any team (AHL or other), he must pass through recall waivers? If he doesn't, the team that originally assigned him has to pay half the players salary for the rest of his contract, right?

Anyway, thanks again..
If Souray were to be assigned to a European team he would not have to clear re-entry waivers to come back into the NHL. If he is assigned to a minor league north american team he would have to clear re-entry waivers before coming back into the NHL.

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09-30-2010, 10:23 PM
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If Souray were to be assigned to a European team he would not have to clear re-entry waivers to come back into the NHL. If he is assigned to a minor league north american team he would have to clear re-entry waivers before coming back into the NHL.
Wasn't there some thing about if Jagr came back, he'd have to go through waivers or was that just misinformation back in the day?

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09-30-2010, 10:34 PM
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How about this concept Oiler fans. Tambellini assigns Souray to the minors and then loans him to another organization in the AHL since he can't get any of the other GM's to tender a decent offer for the return of Souray.

So meanwhile Souray like Nylander plays for another organization but we eat the salary. This keeps his "poisonous" character and reputation from affecting our young and old prospects alike. In the meantime Souray plays in the AHL shows he's healthy and productive at a professional level. Which in turn increases his trade value and creates more reasonable trade offers for Tambellini.

If noone bites all year and Souray remains in the minors. He gets recalled in the offseason and avoids waivers then is traded with only one year left on his contract. Making him an affordable low risk, high reward, rental player with a solid year (if he avoids injury) of AHL hockey to bump his value and prove to other teams that he is ready to make a contribution.


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09-30-2010, 10:43 PM
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Can we send him to Stockton? I mean... that's so much closer to his kids and he's getting his money. Maybe he won't be such a poisonous *****. Plus, I wouldn't be too pissed if he was detrimental on Bryan Pitton's development.

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Not sure if this has been asked but what would happen if he played somewhere and got hurt? Would the salary come off the cap if it was a long term injury?

Hmmm...anybody remember Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan

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Wasn't there some thing about if Jagr came back, he'd have to go through waivers or was that just misinformation back in the day?
A player returning from Europe will have to clear waivers, but will not have to clear re-entry waivers.

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Demote him to wherever for the entire season. Loan him to a Euro team. Maybe he has value next year when hes on the last year of his contract.

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A player returning from Europe will have to clear waivers, but will not have to clear re-entry waivers.
Hmmm... upon further reading I'm getting mixed signals on the case of a player entering the NHL from Europe.

One thing is for sure, a player coming from Europe will have to clear some type of waivers before being allowed to join an NHL team.

After reading a bit more about this I'm guessing (and completely guessing here) that if a player has a NHL contract and is entering the NHL from Europe they will have to clear re-entry waivers. If a player doesn't have an NHL contract and is entering the NHL from Europe they will have to clear waivers.

So yeah, I have no idea what actually happens. If someone has the time and motivation to actually sit down and decipher what the rules are they're more than welcome to come in here and correct me. I've read at least 3 different ways of interpreting the waivers rules.

Ignore me, continue on with the conversation.

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Can we send him to Stockton? I mean... that's so much closer to his kids and he's getting his money. Maybe he won't be such a poisonous *****. Plus, I wouldn't be too pissed if he was detrimental on Bryan Pitton's development.
I think demotions to the ECHL are banned in the CBA, but I am not sure how that works.

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Can we send him to Stockton? I mean... that's so much closer to his kids and he's getting his money. Maybe he won't be such a poisonous *****. Plus, I wouldn't be too pissed if he was detrimental on Bryan Pitton's development.
No. You cant send nhl players to the echl.

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User since 2003...geez how many times does this need to be explained.
user since 2004...I thought 2-way also meant you could bring player up and down without risk of losing them to re-entry waivers

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if Souray is demoted to the minors and then dealt to another team, he would still need to pass through recall waivers with the team that deals for him right? If that's the case, Souray heading to the minors would mean his season is essentially over in the NHL - hopefully he's not headed to Oklahoma!

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user since 2004...I thought 2-way also meant you could bring player up and down without risk of losing them to re-entry waivers
It's a loophole easily exploited in the EA franchise.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if Souray is demoted to the minors and then dealt to another team, he would still need to pass through recall waivers with the team that deals for him right? If that's the case, Souray heading to the minors would mean his season is essentially over in the NHL - hopefully he's not headed to Oklahoma!
Read my post earlier. There are alternatives. He could be loaned to another franchise' affiliate. Let him grow and re-prove himself at a professional level without tampering with our developing assets. He builds his value in the minors then is dealt on draft day next spring. Or we wait until window where we can re enter him while he is exempt from waivers. Trade him as a rental and get a decent usable return. Sounds simple. We eat the same amount that we would've with re-entry and acquire an asset in the process.

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No matter what you believe, this isn't doing anything to help get us off the bottom of the "UFA's Preferred Destinations" list.
Keep in mind that the Caps and the Rangers have just done exactly the same thing, except with players who didn't mouth off about management, and whose only fault was that they weren't as valuable as the contracts those teams signed them to. No one thinks that NY or Washington is going to drop to the bottom of the UFA destination list because they're being mean to Nylander and Redden.

In other words, the "controversy" aspect of these things is totally trumped by location (NY) and star power (Washington). If it was that big a deal, then the Caps would have become a pariah because they ditched a guy right after signing him, when he never even did or said anything negative about them. But they're not pariahs, because most players apparently care a heck of a lot more about winning hockey games than they do about soap opera dramas.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if Souray is demoted to the minors and then dealt to another team, he would still need to pass through recall waivers with the team that deals for him right? If that's the case, Souray heading to the minors would mean his season is essentially over in the NHL - hopefully he's not headed to Oklahoma!
Yeah, I thought the same after I read Matheson's twitter.

But, since Souray is just being sent through waivers, and not being sent down to the minors, he won't have to be put through re-entry waivers to be put back on an NHL roster.

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Yeah, I thought the same after I read Matheson's twitter.

But, since Souray is just being sent through waivers, and not being sent down to the minors, he won't have to be put through re-entry waivers to be put back on an NHL roster.
Yeah I corrected him immediately after he posted that and he thanked "Oilers fans" later. He doesn't have to clear re-entry until he is assigned. But as I mentioned having him lent to another franchise to rebuild his stock for a season and then re-entered during an exemption window next spring/summer(can't remember the exact date) Then traded as a more valuable asset on a one year/rental contract with a year behind him to prove he's recovered from both the injury and production plague.

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