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10-05-2010, 12:21 PM
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There's a difference between intending to hurt someone and intending to injure someone.

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10-05-2010, 03:10 PM
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There's a difference between intending to hurt someone and intending to injure someone.
hurt

1. To cause physical damage or pain to; injure.
2. To cause mental or emotional suffering to; distress.
3. To cause physical damage to; harm: The frost hurt the orange crop.
4. To be detrimental to; hinder or impair: The scandal hurt the candidate's chances for victory.

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10-05-2010, 03:15 PM
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hurt

1. To cause physical damage or pain to; injure.
2. To cause mental or emotional suffering to; distress.
3. To cause physical damage to; harm: The frost hurt the orange crop.
4. To be detrimental to; hinder or impair: The scandal hurt the candidate's chances for victory.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There's obviously a difference between trying to cause someone physical pain to act as a mental deterrent ("hurt" them), and trying to injure them in a way that affects their physical ability to play ("injure" them).

And if you want to play the linguistic game, "injure" is only in one of the definitions of "hurt" above. True, they are basically synonyms, but in standard English usage, "injure" has a much stronger physical connotation than "hurt" (which is more about the mental aspect of feeling pain).

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10-05-2010, 03:29 PM
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We'll just let Potvin say it right...
"I didn't try and injure guys when I hit them but I wanted to hurt them. I wanted them to still be feeling the hit three, four shifts later or even in the next period."

Ole school right there and not this over-compensating politically correct crap that being spewed today.
Yes, there's a line to be drawn to keep players safe but at the same time, it's a damned contact sport folks.


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10-05-2010, 03:47 PM
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We'll just let Potvin say it right...
"I didn't try and injure guys when I hit them but I wanted to hurt them. I wanted them to still be feeling the hit three, four shifts later or even in the next period."

Ole school right there and not this over-compensating politically correct crap that being spewed today.
Yes, there's a line to be drawn to keep players safe but at the same time, it's a damned contact sport folks.
I agree with Denis and I agree with you.

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10-05-2010, 05:03 PM
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? There's obviously a difference between trying to cause someone physical pain to act as a mental deterrent ("hurt" them), and trying to injure them in a way that affects their physical ability to play ("injure" them).

And if you want to play the linguistic game, "injure" is only in one of the definitions of "hurt" above. True, they are basically synonyms, but in standard English usage, "injure" has a much stronger physical connotation than "hurt" (which is more about the mental aspect of feeling pain).
If someone says "I am hurt" it usually means, "I am physically or mentally injured". However the point was that Stevens went for the head and thats an intent to injure and not to hurt.

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10-05-2010, 05:13 PM
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I love Scott Stevens and he could play on my team any time, but IMHO, he makes this list. As do (these previously not listed players)...

Wayne Cashman
Bobby Schmautz
Tiger Williams
Glenn Anderson
Garth Butcher
Dave Schultz
Steve Durbano
Geoff Courtnall

Whatever team you put together, though, Bobby Clark would have to be the Captain.

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10-05-2010, 06:00 PM
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We'll just let Potvin say it right...
"I didn't try and injure guys when I hit them but I wanted to hurt them. I wanted them to still be feeling the hit three, four shifts later or even in the next period."

Ole school right there and not this over-compensating politically correct crap that being spewed today.
Yes, there's a line to be drawn to keep players safe but at the same time, it's a damned contact sport folks.
I really don't see what you guys are arguing about.

No one is saying that people shouldn't body check.

What they are saying is that you shouldn't smash peoples faces with your elbow or shoulder while blindsiding them.

If you can't see the difference there, I hope that you don't learn it the hard way yourselves or when one of your kids can't even function 100% in normal life while suffering from concussion symptoms.

I know that doesn't sound as manly but there is playing tough and there is playing dirty and unsportsmanlike. Stevens rode that line pretty finely.

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10-05-2010, 06:05 PM
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I really don't see what you guys are arguing about.

No one is saying that people shouldn't body check.

What they are saying is that you shouldn't smash peoples faces with your elbow or shoulder while blindsiding them.

If you can't see the difference there, I hope that you don't learn it the hard way yourselves or when one of your kids can't even function 100% in normal life while suffering from concussion symptoms.

I know that doesn't sound as manly but there is playing tough and there is playing dirty and unsportsmanlike. Stevens rode that line pretty finely.
I really hope you aren't talking about Scott Stevens when you mention the elbow.

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I really hope you aren't talking about Scott Stevens when you mention the elbow.
No, its ok TDMM, take a deep breath!

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10-05-2010, 06:21 PM
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No, its ok TDMM, take a deep breath!
Haha, I'm fine. But seriously, there is a huge difference between elbowing someone in the head (which is a penalty, and can be a major if it's violent enough) and a shoulder to the head, which was always legal under the rules and is sometimes unavoidable if you check a player who is leaning over.

Anyway, this is really starting to go in circles now.

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10-06-2010, 05:42 AM
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So the coach?

Ray Shero?

Brent Sutter?

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So the coach?

Ray Shero?

Brent Sutter?
Art Ross ordered Billy Coutu to attack a referee during a game. So I'd say Art Ross has to be up there among the dirty coaches.

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Art Ross ordered Billy Coutu to attack a referee during a game. So I'd say Art Ross has to be up there among the dirty coaches.
Don't forget Ferguson Sr.

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This Thread needs a lot more of Sprague Cleghorn.


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10-06-2010, 12:38 PM
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Art Ross ordered Billy Coutu to attack a referee during a game. So I'd say Art Ross has to be up there among the dirty coaches.
Actually Art Ross put a bounty on the ref's head of several hundred dollars - a lot of money during the Depression - asking his players for someone to take him out and a loyal newbie to the team did (Coutu was a longstanding Hab, even Habs captain his last season there after his longstanding defensive partner Sprague Cleghorn left, Coutu clearly the lesser of the two in the nasty and dirty dep't; and Coutu had then recently joined the Bruins and took up the coach on the offer, and it's said the coach PAID, and that when players told of this story, Coutu's lifetime ban was eventually lifted, but since he was in his thirties when the whole debacle had begun anyways, he didn't come out of retirement). The hit on the ref was in the playoffs. Earlier that season, in a preseason scrimmage, the new Bruin Coutu took Eddie Shore hard into the boards and Shore lost an ear in the incident and Shore complained about it in the media but retracted it after coach Ross sternly spoke with him, defending Coutu's tough play. There are less than six degrees of separation between Art Ross and Fred Shero.

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As coach Ross won 361 games during four stints as the Bruins' coach between 1924 and 1945, only twice missing the playoffs. Four times they went to the Stanley Cup finals and won it all in 1939. Ross had a habit of stepping away from coaching and doing more general manager and president duties when times were good, going back behind the bench each time the Bruins began to struggle. He is famous for several innovations including of course pulling the goalie to ice an extra attacker.


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10-06-2010, 05:56 PM
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This Thread needs a lot more of Sprague Cleghorn.


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I was going to say the same thing but then I really thought about it, while yes Cleghorn is possibly the dirtiest, most violent player in the history of the game, that's just the way the game was back then.

There's an old NHL Network commercial about the Eddie Shore/Ace Bailey incident where the voice over goes on about how those days were hockey's equivalent of the dark ages and the game being barbaric. You could probably have a good sized list of guys from that era alone. It'd be amazing to see the reactions if some of the incidents that happened back then happened today.

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So the coach?

Ray Shero?

Brent Sutter?
marc crawford? [insert smiley]

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I was going to say the same thing but then I really thought about it, while yes Cleghorn is possibly the dirtiest, most violent player in the history of the game, that's just the way the game was back then.

There's an old NHL Network commercial about the Eddie Shore/Ace Bailey incident where the voice over goes on about how those days were hockey's equivalent of the dark ages and the game being barbaric. You could probably have a good sized list of guys from that era alone. It'd be amazing to see the reactions if some of the incidents that happened back then happened today.
Cleghorn was dirty even for the old school standard. This guy was crazy.

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if people are arguing scott stevens being on the list then id argue messier. they are both dirty players in the same format.

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if people are arguing scott stevens being on the list then id argue messier. they are both dirty players in the same format.
Not sure anyone's really debating if Stevens should be on the list, more whether he is dirty or not. IMHO Messier's an overall dirtier player than Stevens was. Don't see either guy as all-time top 50 dirtiest players though.

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Not sure anyone's really debating if Stevens should be on the list, more whether he is dirty or not. IMHO Messier's an overall dirtier player than Stevens was. Don't see either guy as all-time top 50 dirtiest players though.
Oh God, messier is a shoo-in.

The Eaves, Macoun, Kovin, and Jonsson incidents alone justify that.

And there are many, many more.

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Maguire should be mentioned. Although not sure he is top 50.

Also the Hammer.

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So the coach?

Ray Shero?

Brent Sutter?
not in the nhl, but patrick roy... sending his own son out in a junior game?

bringing us to a new topic... dirty goalies?

quickly... hextall, belfour, roy (again)... not familiar enough with anything before the '90s...

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