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http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11963

New list.

Question the merits of it to some extent.

- Larsspn at 3 isnt that suprising. He has had a below average start, defensively supposedly still strong, the production offensively hasn't been there. Been outshined by Rundblad
- I think Nugent-Hopkins could be #1 by the end of the year
- Rask at 5 seems odd. Hasn't had a great year in SEL-2 according to many Swedish fans. ISS is the only service that seems to rate Rask this high
- Khokhlachev seems to be a riser. The best Russian this year IMO. Has no contract link to Russia ; so the Russian factor is small. Like Burmistrov has been electric in the OHL so far. I think he could go top ten
- Armia is the big riser. Has been performing better than Granlund did last year, and has a better frame. Skating has improved drastically. In a months time, if the performances are still the same, will be ranked in the top ten.
- Suprised guys like Rattie, St Croix, Jensen and Rieder aren't ranked in the top 30. Shows that this draft is strong
- Interestingly Grimaldi is ranked at 30. Size is obviously the major problem with him.

Seems to be a strong Euro draft. The Q is definitely stronger this year. The American Forwards are better than last year ; but the D is much weaker. It's a bad goalie crop.

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Small update. There seems to be a very number of first year eligible players putting up serious points in the CHL this year.

It's actually obscene.

Ty Rattie (WHL) has 23 pts in 13 games
Sven Bartschi (WHL) has 20 points in 13 games
Ryan Strome (OHL) has 22 points in 12 games
Ryan Murphy (OHL) has 19 points in 11 games
Shane Prince (OHL) has 18 pts in 11 games
Jonathan Huberdeau (QMJHL) has 17 pts in 14 games
Tomas Jurco (QMJHL) has 15 pts in 14 games
Gabriel Landeskog (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games
Tobias Rieder (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games
Matt Puempel (OHL) has 15 pts in 10 games
Alexander Khoklachev (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games

This isn't even including McColgan, Namestnikov, Jensen, Jenner, Lessio, St Croix, Trocheck, Catenacci, Ouellet etc

Just a weird draft. It's still considered to be apparently below average talent wise, but some of the stats being put up by these guys are insane. I mean Rattie wasn't even rated in the top 30 by ISS (but yes ISS is questionable in rankings). I haven't seen Rieder, Bartschi or Prince crack a top 30 list yet.

Considering the Euro based guys are IMO quite strong too, i think its a good year.

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Small update. There seems to be a very number of first year eligible players putting up serious points in the CHL this year.

It's actually obscene.

Ty Rattie (WHL) has 23 pts in 13 games
Sven Bartschi (WHL) has 20 points in 13 games
Ryan Strome (OHL) has 22 points in 12 games
Ryan Murphy (OHL) has 19 points in 11 games
Shane Prince (OHL) has 18 pts in 11 games
Jonathan Huberdeau (QMJHL) has 17 pts in 14 games
Tomas Jurco (QMJHL) has 15 pts in 14 games
Gabriel Landeskog (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games
Tobias Rieder (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games
Matt Puempel (OHL) has 15 pts in 10 games
Alexander Khoklachev (OHL) has 16 pts in 11 games

This isn't even including McColgan, Namestnikov, Jensen, Jenner, Lessio, St Croix, Trocheck, Catenacci, Ouellet etc

Just a weird draft. It's still considered to be apparently below average talent wise, but some of the stats being put up by these guys are insane. I mean Rattie wasn't even rated in the top 30 by ISS (but yes ISS is questionable in rankings). I haven't seen Rieder, Bartschi or Prince crack a top 30 list yet.

Considering the Euro based guys are IMO quite strong too, i think its a good year.
Beyond the top 60, it's probably going to be below par from the past few years. But it's looking like a real good top 60. ISS is a huge fail. Anyone who doesn't have Rattie in their top 30 at this point is just out to lunch.

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Ryan Strome is really making a case for himself. Some info would be great MR or J17.

Trying to keep up as good as I can, but you guys are a head of me Wish I could see some CHL games.

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Ryan Strome is really making a case for himself. Some info would be great MR or J17.

Trying to keep up as good as I can, but you guys are a head of me Wish I could see some CHL games.
One of the most complete players in this draft. He could probably be converted successfully to wing too because he's such a good goal scorer and can adapt to any situation. He's a good skater with good quickness, and can really dangle too. He's a great playmaker, and is also a natural goal scorer and knows what to do with the puck when he gets it in shooting position. He gets his shots away really quickly, whether it be slapshot or wristshot. He's decent defensively and could probably become really good with more coaching because he's so smart and skilled. He's also got a nice frame and should be a nice sized forward in a few years when he fills out.

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So I don't really want to be on the tank wagon I figured that whatever happens this season happens. But if we do end up getting a top 5 pick and we don't get Couturier or RNH, I was thinking Gabriel Landeskog has been really impressive so far. Are there any thoughts on him?

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If we get the 4th or 5th overall. Matt Peumple is the man to go to imo, or Ryan Strom (seem to be a riser, great skills).

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So I don't really want to be on the tank wagon I figured that whatever happens this season happens. But if we do end up getting a top 5 pick and we don't get Couturier or RNH, I was thinking Gabriel Landeskog has been really impressive so far. Are there any thoughts on him?
Classic power forward, tough as nails and plays a gritty style. Good playmaker and good goal scorer. He has good hands but is fearless going into traffic and to the net, and can just crash and bang and score that way too. A guy you want on your side in big games or when you're down late in the game, he's a real gamer. Plays with his heart on his sleeve. He's an above average skater, but still needs a bit of work in this area. He is good defensively too, ever since he came into the OHL last season he's been a staple on the top PK unit. He plays in all situations for Kitchener, has since day one. He's also a good fighter, he's already taken down a lot of guys in the OHL. Very safe prospect, I don't see much holding him back. He should be a premier and feared power forward when all is said and done.

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Classic power forward, tough as nails and plays a gritty style. Good playmaker and good goal scorer. He has good hands but is fearless going into traffic and to the net, and can just crash and bang and score that way too. A guy you want on your side in big games or when you're down late in the game, he's a real gamer. Plays with his heart on his sleeve. He's an above average skater, but still needs a bit of work in this area. He is good defensively too, ever since he came into the OHL last season he's been a staple on the top PK unit. He plays in all situations for Kitchener, has since day one. He's also a good fighter, he's already taken down a lot of guys in the OHL. Very safe prospect, I don't see much holding him back. He should be a premier and feared power forward when all is said and done.
I think Landeskog will be in the NHL next year. Will go in the Top 10 definitely. Can't say i want to draft him though. He'll be a great NHL player, but i think we need a more Offense orientated guy.

Two guys to watch are Strome and Rieder. Both are tearing it up. I think Strome could crack the top ten, whilst Rieder may crack Top 20.

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I think Landeskog will be in the NHL next year. Will go in the Top 10 definitely. Can't say i want to draft him though. He'll be a great NHL player, but i think we need a more Offense orientated guy.

Two guys to watch are Strome and Rieder. Both are tearing it up. I think Strome could crack the top ten, whilst Rieder may crack Top 20.
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Classic power forward, tough as nails and plays a gritty style. Good playmaker and good goal scorer. He has good hands but is fearless going into traffic and to the net, and can just crash and bang and score that way too. A guy you want on your side in big games or when you're down late in the game, he's a real gamer. Plays with his heart on his sleeve. He's an above average skater, but still needs a bit of work in this area. He is good defensively too, ever since he came into the OHL last season he's been a staple on the top PK unit. He plays in all situations for Kitchener, has since day one. He's also a good fighter, he's already taken down a lot of guys in the OHL. Very safe prospect, I don't see much holding him back. He should be a premier and feared power forward when all is said and done.


I think Larsson would give us one of the most well-rounded, dynamic defenses in the league for some time to come. But even if he were the BPA, IMO, we MUST draft someone who best fits our need, and seeing how we are better off on defense than offense, one of Couturier and Hopkins has to be the pick. I like the sick hands Hopkins possesses, but going by Tallon's preferences, I think Couturier would be his choice, and the right one IMO. His size at such a young age is intimidating, and with us lacking a true top line center, he would be the ideal pick for us. I would be happy with either or to be honest, even if we had to settle for Larsson, but having Couturier down the middle gives us some serious depth at center.

So if we land the 1st pick in the draft, who do you two choose?

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Pretty early...

I'll take Nugent-Hopkins please ! Seems more of a threat, he'll get you out of your seats and create loads of space along with chances for his teammates. Also the kid wants to be a centerman in the NHL, and he is working for it... Working a lot...

I love Couturier's shot and man-game, but I haven't seen enough of him so far, and I don't see the wow-you kind of talent in this kid... As effective as RNH ? Certainly... As eye-popping ? Maybe not...

I love RNH playmaking so far, but I want him to use his amazing shot a lot more...

Should be a great season... Even if we finish with a top-20 pick, we should get a nice piece, obviously the top pick would put us right back on track instantly !

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Pretty early...

I'll take Nugent-Hopkins please ! Seems more of a threat, he'll get you out of your seats and create loads of space along with chances for his teammates. Also the kid wants to be a centerman in the NHL, and he is working for it... Working a lot...

I love Couturier's shot and man-game, but I haven't seen enough of him so far, and I don't see the wow-you kind of talent in this kid... As effective as RNH ? Certainly... As eye-popping ? Maybe not...

I love RNH playmaking so far, but I want him to use his amazing shot a lot more...

Should be a great season... Even if we finish with a top-20 pick, we should get a nice piece, obviously the top pick would put us right back on track instantly !
Top 20? Im thinking top 10, at worst. I dont have a problem with us picking NPH or Couturier, but I prefer Couturier because of his size, and our lack of size up front. He seems to not shy away from going to the net, and I think his skills could compliment what youth we currently have both in the NHL, and in the farm system.

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I think Landeskog will be in the NHL next year. Will go in the Top 10 definitely. Can't say i want to draft him though. He'll be a great NHL player, but i think we need a more Offense orientated guy.

Two guys to watch are Strome and Rieder. Both are tearing it up. I think Strome could crack the top ten, whilst Rieder may crack Top 20.
I think Skog will be in the NHL next year too, it's hard to see him not there. Strome is awesome. I'm not that high on Rieder personally.

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I think Larsson would give us one of the most well-rounded, dynamic defenses in the league for some time to come. But even if he were the BPA, IMO, we MUST draft someone who best fits our need, and seeing how we are better off on defense than offense, one of Couturier and Hopkins has to be the pick. I like the sick hands Hopkins possesses, but going by Tallon's preferences, I think Couturier would be his choice, and the right one IMO. His size at such a young age is intimidating, and with us lacking a true top line center, he would be the ideal pick for us. I would be happy with either or to be honest, even if we had to settle for Larsson, but having Couturier down the middle gives us some serious depth at center.

So if we land the 1st pick in the draft, who do you two choose?
Larsson may not be the best player available at the end of the year, it was hard to say that a few months ago. Couturier is tearing things up though. RNH continues to muddy the field as well. Supposedly Larsson hasn't played badly, but he has been relegated to the 2nd pairing on his team, which while it may not hurt his stock, it won't help him, if that continues. This may end up being a year where there is no clear #1. Of course, the WJC will play a big part as it always seems to do.

Couturier is my choice. He's the safest and most well rounded forward prospect available.

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So if we land the 1st pick in the draft, who do you two choose?
I know you didn't ask me, but I'll give you my opinion anyway, whether you like it or not Here it goes:

Larsson is the clear #1 to me. Amazing shot and skating. He's big and strong on the puck too.

If we had the 1st overall I would trade down to #2 and add a pick or prospect. Then if the new #1 would be Larsson, Hopkins or Couturier, we would still get one of the offensive guys that we desperately need. Hopefully we know that the team picking first will take Larsson, and then draft Sean Couturier.

I think we have such a solid bunch of D-men prospects so I would take Couturier over Hopkins. Hopkins might be a great playmaker, but so far this season he hasn't scored more than 3 goals. Cats got no finishers. But Couturier is great at both, we need a finisher more imo.


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Larsson won't go #1 IMO if the current trends continue. I think he's going to be an elite D, and is the 2nd best D prospect after Doughty we've seen in the last ten years however.

I'd take Nugent-Hopkins as things stand. I think he's a little bit more dynamic. But you cannot go wrong with either really. Picking in the Top 3 means you're getting gold this year. I can see why you'd want SC, big size down the middle is a very attractive proposition.

Murphy could challenge the top 3 but i don't want him. As talented as he is, he isn't a better pro prospect than Larsson IMO and his style isn't something we really need.

MR, couple of questions. Why not high on Rieder. Production wise, it's incredibly impressive ; even more so for an import. Size wise he isn't big, but the skills seem to make up for that.

Have you seen the two Russians yet? Both are producing very nicely. I think back to Burmistrov, and i see both going in the same area.

On a side note, Yakupov looks absolutely sick. 3rd in scoring and has played less games then the two above him. All this as a 16 yr old import (albeit a late 93 not a 94). Clear #1 guy for next year.

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This Joel Armia kid came out of nowhere here in Finland. Kid is big, can stickhandle and score. I haven't watched him play much but I hear good things about him all the time. I wouldn't say he's better than Granlund was last year in Finland but his size is a huge advantage

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I know you didn't ask me, but I'll give you my opinion anyway, whether you like it or not Here it goes:

Larsson is the clear #1 to me. Amazing shot and skating. He's big and strong on the puck too.

If we had the 1st overall I would trade down to #2 and add a pick or prospect. Then if the new #1 would be Larsson, Hopkins or Couturier, we would still get one of the offensive guys that we desperately need. Hopefully we know that the team picking first will take Larsson, and then draft Sean Couturier.

I think we have such a solid bunch of D-men prospects so I would take Couturier over Hopkins. Hopkins might be a great playmaker, but so far this season he hasn't scored more than 3 goals. Cats got no finishers. But Couturier is great at both, we need a finisher more imo.
You did notice that I said the two of them, not you

Hopkins is going to be a very good player in the league, I just dont know if he would be the right fit for us. He has great hands and can put the puck in the net, but Im afraid he is going to become more of a playmaker, rather than a scorer. Normally, that wouldnt be a problem, but we need someone who can score and intimidate on the top line, and that is exactly why I want Couturier. Could you imagine our center position in a few years from now:

Couturier 6-4/5
Weiss 5-11
Bjugstad 6-5
Matthias 6-4
McFarland 6-0

That is some serious size down the middle (aside from Weiss), not to mention talent and toughness as well.

While Hopkins would be a good choice too, going with Couturier allows us to add wing talent to the team via free agency and trades, and I think its easier to find talented wingers than it is centerman.

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Larsson won't go #1 IMO if the current trends continue. I think he's going to be an elite D, and is the 2nd best D prospect after Doughty we've seen in the last ten years however.

I'd take Nugent-Hopkins as things stand. I think he's a little bit more dynamic. But you cannot go wrong with either really. Picking in the Top 3 means you're getting gold this year. I can see why you'd want SC, big size down the middle is a very attractive proposition.

Murphy could challenge the top 3 but i don't want him. As talented as he is, he isn't a better pro prospect than Larsson IMO and his style isn't something we really need.

MR, couple of questions. Why not high on Rieder. Production wise, it's incredibly impressive ; even more so for an import. Size wise he isn't big, but the skills seem to make up for that.

Have you seen the two Russians yet? Both are producing very nicely. I think back to Burmistrov, and i see both going in the same area.

On a side note, Yakupov looks absolutely sick. 3rd in scoring and has played less games then the two above him. All this as a 16 yr old import (albeit a late 93 not a 94). Clear #1 guy for next year.
Larsson being demoted, to an extent, is going to be a dream come true for someone picking 3-4-5, if he drops that far. I think regardless of what happens this season, we must not forget that they have the pre-draft workouts, and a lot of things can change come then. I still think Larsson goes #1 overall, but that is after we trade down from the #1 pick, to get Couturier or Hopkins.

I think it would be a big mistake to take Larsson or Murphy, because we have good depth on defense at the moment. I dont think Tallon will go that route anyways, but regardless, getting the #2 pick would be better for us, as long as we know that the #1 team would be taking Larsson.

I would be thrilled if we were to land Couturier in the draft, and sign Backes in free agency. Our offense would become so much more dynamic, and with guys like Gudbranson, Ellerby, and Markstrom coming in next season, we could really see a truly competitive team, with more toughness, size, skill, and promise.

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