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10-12-2010, 11:03 AM
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LOL, silly me thinking that Steve Thomas would be available since he wasn't picked in the MLD. I forgot about a certain someone in the main draft.
Thomas should probably be a complementary goalscoring winger with heart, grit, and clutch ability on a MLD 1st or 2nd line.

I took him in ATD8 in a starting role because I didn't know what I was doing then, and I took him in ATD10 as a spare because he can play both sides. I soon learned I could have done even better.

I would like to see him drop to where he belongs so I can take him in the MLD, as he's one of my all-time favourites, but I don't know if that will ever happen.

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Winnipeg selects C Dave Creighton

Father of Adam
AHL Second All-Star Team (1968)
Les Cunningham Award (AHL - MVP) (1968) Played in NHL All-Star Game (1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956)

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1957-58 NHL 35 (9)


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1955-56 NHL 51 (9)

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Winnipeg selects C Dave Creighton

Father of Adam
AHL Second All-Star Team (1968)
Les Cunningham Award (AHL - MVP) (1968) Played in NHL All-Star Game (1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956)

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1957-58 NHL 35 (9)


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1955-56 NHL 51 (9)
I looked this up because that's an absurd amount of All-Star Games for him to be left, and Hockey-reference has him playing only the 1952 and 1956 All Star games (both on merit though).

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I looked this up because that's an absurd amount of All-Star Games for him to be left, and Hockey-reference has him playing only the 1952 and 1956 All Star games (both on merit though).
This is from LOH check out his bio.

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10-12-2010, 11:49 AM
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Winnipeg selects D Robert Picard

Position: D
Shoots: Left
Height: 6-2 Weight: 207 lbs

Drafted by the Washington Capitals in the 1st round (3rd overall) of the 1977 NHL Amateur Draft.

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I looked this up because that's an absurd amount of All-Star Games for him to be left, and Hockey-reference has him playing only the 1952 and 1956 All Star games (both on merit though).
sooo..??? Do we count those listed on LOH?

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sooo..??? Do we count those listed on LOH?
He has only 16 points in 45 games in 1953. 17 points in 63 games in 1955. So I'm inclined to believe hockey-reference over LOH in this case.

Still pretty solid to get a guy with even 2 earned berths in All Star Games at this point.

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10-12-2010, 12:17 PM
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Toledo selects LW/C Patrik Sundstrom



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10-12-2010, 12:57 PM
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He has only 16 points in 45 games in 1953. 17 points in 63 games in 1955. So I'm inclined to believe hockey-reference over LOH in this case.

Still pretty solid to get a guy with even 2 earned berths in All Star Games at this point.
It's not as rare as you may think... check some of the ASG rosters from the early days.

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10-12-2010, 01:09 PM
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Winnipeg selects C Dave Creighton

Father of Adam
AHL Second All-Star Team (1968)
Les Cunningham Award (AHL - MVP) (1968) Played in NHL All-Star Game (1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956)

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1957-58 NHL 35 (9)


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1955-56 NHL 51 (9)
Top 20 point finishes: 9,14,17

Creighton is also capable of playing the wing, included in the last two quotes below.

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Originally Posted by New York Times 12/26/1957
Dave Creighton, whose passing is one of the Rangers' strong points, managed to pick up an assist
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Originally Posted by New York Times - Oct 31, 1957
New York has some pretty good sharpshooters in its lineup-men like Andy Bathgate , Camille Henry and Dave Creighton
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Maurice Richard, high scoring all star of Les Canadiens, was checked so closely he had only one shot on the Boston goal and that coming at 10:30 of the final period. Dave Creighton, Boston sophomore wing covered Richard through most of the game.
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Coach Lynn Patrick says that "Dave Creighton, who has been alternating between left wing and center, will center for xxx ford and xxx

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10-12-2010, 01:14 PM
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Regina selects Bill Carson, C.

Carson has never been selected in an MLD or AAA or AA draft, and was never mentioned among the best remaining players. But for a brief time he was one of the game's best scorers.

He finished 10th and 6th in the newly consolidated NHL in goals in 1927 and 1928, then finished 9th in assists the following year.

His career numbers (159-54-24-78) don't look all that impressive until you remember that NHL scoring was at an all-time low in Carson's three best seasons - the NHL's original dead puck era, the seasons immediately preceding the introduction of the forward pass.

Put into better context, Carson's numbers look excellent:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

Note that he is 9th in total points over the dead puck era (behind only Morenz, Boucher, Cook, Stewart, Hay, Joliat, Bailey, and Bun Cook), and everyone in the top-22 is selected. Only Hib Milks (17th) was selected recently. In points per game, Carson is 6th among players with 100 games, behind just Morenz, Boucher, Hay, Stewart, and Cook.

Most of his time was played with Toronto, and he was often their catalyst. In 1927, he was outscored only by Ace Bailey, and paced everyone else. In 1928, his 26 points were 9 more than 2nd place Hap Day.

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10-12-2010, 03:18 PM
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Gaetan Duchesne, LW

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"I like to play Gaetan against the opposition's best right winger" continued coach Murray. There sure were a lot of good right wingers in the early 1980s too - Bossy, Lafleur, Kurri, Mullen.....

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10-12-2010, 03:47 PM
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D Bert Marshall



198 points in 868 career games
26 points in 72 career playoff games
1x Stanley Cup Finalist
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2nd overall in Calder voting, 1965-66
2x Top 16 in All-Star voting among Defensemen (15, 16)

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Bert Marshall was a rugged stay-at-home defenceman who could also provide crisp outlet passes to his forwards. He played nearly 900 games for four different teams in the 1960s and '70s when his consistency was a useful part of the team.

The native of Kamloops, B.C. was the property of the Detroit Red Wings who oversaw his development with the junior Edmonton Oil Kings and the Memphis Wings of the CHL. The young blueliner played 61 games as a rookie in 1965-66 and helped the Wings reach the Stanley Cup finals. He played the last year of the Original Six Era in Motown and joined the expansion Oakland Seals halfway through the next season.

Marshall did his best to stabilize the shaky blueline of the Seals for nearly six seasons before he was traded to the vastly superior New Rangers in March 1973. The steady rearguard lasted only a few regular season and playoff games before the New York Islanders in the Intra-League Draft claimed him.

The reliable defensive play and leadership provided by Marshall helped the Islanders develop into a competitive squad by the mid-'70s. He was a member of the team when it reached the semi-finals in 1975 and 1976. He helped the younger players like Bryan Trottier, Clark Gillies, and Mike Bossy learn to win and be professional. Marshall brought his solid career to an end after playing six games for the CHL's Indianapolis Checkers in 1979-80.
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Bert's best season from an offensive standpoint came in 1974-75 for the NY Islanders when he picked up 30 pts. He never scored more than 4 goals in one season.

Bert came out from the Detroit organization and played 2 seasons for the Red Wings before being picked up by the expansion Oakland Seals on January 9, 1968. Bert's recollection of his stay with the Seals organization wasn't all that positive.

"It was a one-man organization on the coast. With the Seals we had an owner (Charles O. Finley) who was never around and people under him who didn't have a free will to call the shots. Finley never knew guys' names and really didn't seem to give a hoot."

He stayed with the Seals until March 4, 1973 when he was picked up by the NY Rangers. His stint with the Rangers was short-lived. Bert played the last 8 regular season games there and 6 playoff games before the new arch rivals from Long Island, the NY Islanders picked him up in the intra league draft in the summer of 1973.

The Islanders passed on shifty center Bobby Rousseau who had won four Cups with the Canadiens and picked Bert instead. Ironically enough Bill Torrey, the GM of the Islanders had worked for two years in the Seals organization. His approach was however completely different than Mr. Finley's.

His coach on the Islanders, Al Arbour described Bert like this:

"Bert means so, so much to our team from every vantage point. He knows the game in and out and he's the guy every player kinda looks up to. He's alert on and off the ice and he knows how to benefit from every situation that arises."

Bert was a member of the Islanders team until the 1978-79 season. He finished his career by playing 6 games for the Islanders farm team, Indianapolis Checkers in the CHL 1979-80. That same season NY Islanders won their first Stanley Cup. It was a shame that Bert missed that opportunity to hold the Cup above his head. He really deserved to win it.

Bert finished his NHL career with 868 regular season games, scoring just 17 goals but adding 181 assists for 198 points. And in 72 playoff games he picked up another 26 points.
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He was drafted by the New York Islanders in the 1973 intra-league draft and it was here that he played his best hockey. He developed good shot-blocking ability and his reliable play and leadership helped the Islanders
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10-12-2010, 04:05 PM
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I thought of Gaetan just today, I think he's among the best defensive wingers available. He's one of a few that managed to kill a ton of penalties while also having a positive adjusted +/-.

Libett is certainly better from an anecdotal standpoint, but his adjusted +/- is brutal... I just don't know what to make of the guy. he scared me.

Defensemen are really hard to choose from right now. I like Marshall and considered him for sure, but I find it hard to determine what makes him any better than about 20 guys I'm looking at, and for that matter, what makes the defensemen taken before him any better, aside from Ruttan, a hall of famer, and Zhitnik, who averaged over 24 minutes a game in his career, easily a high for a AAA defenseman with over 600 games; I've checked.

There are just no "perfect" modern defensemen available. I've got all sorts of stats and scouting reports in front of me, and I'd like a guy who played a long time, who averaged a lot of ice time throughout his career, was a fixture on a good PK and preferably the PP too, had a strong adjusted +/- (offensive specialists with low ES ice time will be deceptively high, but there's no sheltered minutes if you're consistently #1-3 on your team's depth chart).

I've got guys who meet most of those criteria, but never all. One guy seems to be the best defenseman available on a per-game basis, but the guy only played about 400 games. is he better than a guy who wasn't as dominant per-game, but played 900?

Bill Juzda was just a guy I took because stats don't tell any part of his story, it's all about his toughness, defensive play, and most of all, bodychecking. I knew I wanted him, and just had to make a pick while I sort out the rest of these unplucked gems.

I'm finding this tough enough now; how on earth am I going to judge the teams later on?

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Defensemen are really hard to choose from right now. I like Marshall and considered him for sure, but I find it hard to determine what makes him any better than about 20 guys I'm looking at, and for that matter, what makes the defensemen taken before him any better, aside from Ruttan, a hall of famer, and Zhitnik, who averaged over 24 minutes a game in his career, easily a high for a AAA defenseman with over 600 games; I've checked.
I'm having the same problem. There's plenty of names I'm thinking of as options. All of them would look good on my team. But none of them stand out in the slightest.

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There are a whole slew of very similar defensive defensemen out there, but a severe lack of good two-way guys and offensive defensemen. Marshall is a little better offensively than most of the guys that are described as being stay at home guys, that's why I went with him.

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There are plenty of guys who exceed Marshall's career 0.19 adjusted even strength points per game, some by a fair margin, and are also known as good stay at home guys.

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I thought of Gaetan just today, I think he's among the best defensive wingers available. He's one of a few that managed to kill a ton of penalties while also having a positive adjusted +/-.
Stats be damned when it comes to assessing the greatness of defensive forwards and especially in what determines my great esteem for Duchesne. I followed the Caps in the 80s and he was something special, an impact player almost every night. I drafted him on the MLD10 champion Oxford Dark Blues but he was slotted as an extra skater.

Here's a good short video feature on his qualities later on as a Shark, highlighting his skating, speed, smarts, character and leadership:
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Stats be damned when it comes to assessing the greatness of defensive forwards and especially in what determines my great esteem for Duchesne. I followed the Caps in the 80s and he was something special, an impact player almost every night. I drafted him on the MLD10 champion Oxford Dark Blues but he was slotted as an extra skater.
Say what you will, but whether the player made his team's goal differential better or worse when he was on the ice, is an important consideration.

Lots of players are "said" to be great defensively but those numbers don't always support that. If they don't, there can be mitigating factors, but if they do, it's a great supplementary bonus. Gaetan is one of those players.

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Absolute bunk. The adjusted +/- has its place but NOT in assessing the value of a defensive forward on a bad team. A great defensive forward thrown out on the ice against the opposition's best of course will have a worse +/- than those teammates who don't play against the top lines. And if the other four skaters on the ice for his team are not up to the task of playing against the best (as happens on awful teams) then a star defensive forward's goals for/against suffers based on linemate incompetence. The situation is compunded when that great defensive forward is not playing on the top line, so the team's coach engineers the most favorable match-ups at home for the scoring lines and the least favorable situations goes to the star defensive forward. Libett of the '70s red Wings is such a player. It makes no sense whatsoever to judge his effectiveness checking the best players in the league by looking at that stat.

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Winnipeg selects LW, Cory Stillman.

3rd in assists and 7th in points in 2003-04.
2 times top ten in shorthanded goals
2 Cups (26 points in 27 games during a very strong cup run for the Canes)
8 times over 20 goals
4 times over 40 assists

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The Jets are proud to select with our next pick defenseman Dana Murzyn.

Murzyn is not a name that may jump out at you immediately but he was considered a key component on the Calgary blueline during the 1989 post-season. The same blue line which had Al MacInnis and Gary Suter.

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Queen's University selects the aggressive and opportunistic Sergei Shepelev, the left winger converted to centre whose five-year peak (1980-1984) was incredible, most renowned as the USSR star of Canada Cup '81 with a hat trick to blow open a tie game and put the Soviets up 4-1 on route to a 8-1 victory in what has been called Canada's most humiliating loss in hockey history. He had scored two goals and an assist to garner top star honours in an earlier victory over mighty rival Czechoslovakia and went on to finish second in tourney scoring, one shy of Mike Bossy's 7, and was on the all-star team. Three years later he played a role in defeating Canada again, in Canada Cup '84, though only in an early tourney victory over the eventual tourney champs, Shepelev assisting on the 1st, 2nd and 5th goals in the 6-3 win. For the three years inbetween the Canada Cups he was one of the greatest hockey players in the world. He was front and center, literally, in the Soviets' gold medal world championships in 1981, 1982, and 1983 and '84 Olympics gold, as he had been converted from his natural position of left wing to center in order to play on the national team.

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It was Shepelev's second hat trick of the tournament. He also scored three times against Czechoslovakia, giving him a team best six tallies for the tourney. Only Canada's Mike Bossy had more.

The 26 year old Shepelev seemingly had come out of nowhere. As a younger player he was a winger with Avtomobilist Sverdlovsk who was criticized by the Russian hockey theorists who felt Shepelev was too aggressive and "too arrogant."

In 1980 he had joined Spartak Moscow where famed coach Boris Kulagin almost immediately turned him into a center. It was a seemingly odd move, given that Shepelev's lack of training as a center often troubled his defensive game and his passing, two must-have traits of centers in the Soviet system. Shepelev was a winger at heart, wanting to rush the puck and cheat offensively looking for quick breaks instead of playing high and springing the wingers.

Despite the unlikeliness of success, Kulagin captured lightning in a bottle. For a couple of years in the early 1980s Shepelev's line with Sergei Kapustin and Viktor Shalimov was as good as any line in the world. In the 1981 Canada Cup that line with unmatchable speed out-performed the KLM Line, the Gretzky-Lafleur-Dionne line and the Trottier-Bossy-Gillies line.

He was an important member of the Soviets 1981, 1982, and 1983 gold medal teams at the world championships.

Shepelev's last year with the national team was 1984, without Kapustin and Shalimov. He participated with the 1984 gold medal winning team at the Sarajevo Olympics. His last appearance with the national team came back at the Canada Cup.

All told Sergei Shepelev played in 46 games with the Soviet national team at the Olympics, Worlds and Canada Cup. He scored 22 goals and 38 points.
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Shepelev replaced an injured Larionov on the KLM line for Red Army's Super Series NHL tour in 1985-86, and in a 6-3 win over the Stanley Cup champion Oilers, Shepelev assisted on the first goal and color commentator Howie Meeker marvels at it: "What a great, great pass."
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I'd just like to point out that Winnipeg has already met the playoff requirements.

1939 or earlier - Mud Bruneteau
1940-1965 - Dave Creighton
1966-1979 - Robert Picard
1980-1993 - Glen Murray
1994-2010 - Andrew Brunette

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