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10-05-2010, 08:37 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if Burke is thinking of stepping down at some point and handing the reigns over to Nonis.

Remember when Nonis refused to take the Tampa job last summer?

Anything is possible.

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10-05-2010, 08:39 PM
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As per Burke's interview on TSN's That's Hockey, Burke believes that he would give himself a failing grade as Leafs GM. When asked about it, he said "I've done a poor job."

When was the last time we've had an honest GM in charge?
who cares about him being honest? i dont even think he was being honest

the point is it was a shrewd answer, the media would have tore him to bits if he said otherwise

im happy we have a shrewd gm

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10-05-2010, 08:40 PM
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His teams have finished 7th and 2nd last in the NHL in the past two seasons.

He has accomplished nothing yet.

This season will be a big one. If they manage to stay in playoff contention down the stretch it will show improvement.

If they are realistically out of the race by February, he will continue to have been a colossal failure.

To this point, his comment on his performance is definitely accurate though. I'm sorry to say it, but it's true.
Burkes biggest failure is not being able to seperate friendship/business with wilson, this guy should have hit the rocks well over a year ago. Wilson is NOT a good coach with youngsters. He's not patient with them, he's not a willing teacher for them, and he constantly calls out his players when the leafs loose. We need a coach who is good with young players. Paul Maurice would be an excellent choice, the guy is very good and patient with the young guns, and always uses video technolgoy to show where the players went wrong after the game. The only problem is, he's with carolina, so sadly hes not an option right now.

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10-05-2010, 08:42 PM
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Should've kept Stajan.

Then there'd be Bozak, Stajan and Grabovski down the middle.

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10-05-2010, 08:43 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if Burke is thinking of stepping down at some point and handing the reigns over to Nonis.

Remember when Nonis refused to take the Tampa job last summer?

Anything is possible.
Burkes got a 6 year contract and he has dual jobs with the leafs: GM and president. It's pretty obvious that Nonis is the one doing the trades, Burkes just giving him suggestions and Nonis has to consult with him when a trade goes down. I really doubt Burke is involved in every deal the leafs make or dont make. Burke wont be stepping down, the guy has a BIG ego, he wont be satisified until he builds a team that wins the cup, he will be hear until that day happens.

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10-05-2010, 08:44 PM
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Should've kept Stajan.

Then there'd be Bozak, Stajan and Grabovski down the middle.
I would love to have Stajan back, but we had to give him up to get Phaneuf.

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10-05-2010, 08:46 PM
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who cares about him being honest? i dont even think he was being honest

the point is it was a shrewd answer, the media would have tore him to bits if he said otherwise

im happy we have a shrewd gm
I wouldn't care if we had a mute for a GM if he could actually ice a winner...

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10-05-2010, 08:47 PM
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As per Burke's interview on TSN's That's Hockey, Burke believes that he would give himself a failing grade as Leafs GM. When asked about it, he said "I've done a poor job."

When was the last time we've had an honest GM in charge?
wow, a little harsh on himself.

He certainly hasn't done a poor job at all... look @ everything he's done. He's improved this team SO MUCH since he got here.

dammit, I wish he was running for Toronto mayor. He's exactly what this city needs. someone who will come in & clean up this mess!

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10-05-2010, 08:47 PM
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I for one haven't missed Stajan one bit. Half the games he played in he was invisble.

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10-05-2010, 08:48 PM
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I would love to have Stajan back, but we had to give him up to get Phaneuf.
not necessarily. Sjostrom probably would have been kept by Calgary.
Making the trade:

Phaneuf, Aulie
for
Hagman,White,Mayers

Then our lines would have more or less been:

Versteeg-Bozak-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur
Caputi-Stajan-Armstrong
Brown-Mitchell-Orr

not half bad....

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10-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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Then he was 4 solid lines

Versteeg-Bozak-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabo-Mccarthur
Caputi-Zubrus-Armstrong
Brown-Hanson-Orr

Beauchimen-Phaneuf
Kaberle-Komiserak
Schenn-Gunnarsson

Giggy
Monster
Sounds like you are happy with that lineup. IMO, we need 1st line center and LW to be a solid playoff team. For a legit contender we need upgrades at most of our top 9.

Do not have - do not have - Kessel
Kulemin - Bozak - Versteeg
Sjostrom - do not have - Armstrong
Orr - brown - do not have

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10-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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not necessarily. Sjostrom probably would have been kept by Calgary.
Making the trade:

Phaneuf, Aulie
for
Hagman,White,Mayers

Then our lines would have more or less been:

Versteeg-Bozak-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur
Caputi-Stajan-Armstrong
Brown-Mitchell-Orr

not half bad....
Burke was counting on Kadri being ready and probably stealing the job from Grabovski.

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10-05-2010, 08:53 PM
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Retooled the blueline: Lebda, Lashoff

Got rid of bad egos/contracts: Stajan, Hagman
Moreover, making depth signings aren't really anything to boast with. Any GM can sign players.

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Whats lacking is a 2nd line scoring winger, a 3rd lne centre, and some grit in the bottom 6. The 2nd line winger will be hard to find, 3rd line centre is easily fixed (sign Zubrus), grit on the 3rd line is easy too (bring up Caputi).
How is signing Zubrus easy? And why do you think 'grit' is an end to all means? Sjöström was a great player for us last year. Caputi isn't an upgrade over him in anything but height.

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Should've kept Stajan.

Then there'd be Bozak, Stajan and Grabovski down the middle.
And our D would be Kaberle-Komisarek White-Beauchemin Schenn-Gunnarsson. Bozak would be the third line center in this scenario as well, provided he had done well in the pre-season.

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not necessarily. Sjostrom probably would have been kept by Calgary.
Making the trade:

Phaneuf, Aulie
for
Hagman,White,Mayers
You seriously think Burke would have gotten Phaneuf and Aulie for Hagman and White? Hahahahahahahaha

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10-05-2010, 08:54 PM
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He's just being modest. He's done a fine job. Not everybody is Sam Pollock. Whatever you do, somebody's gonna disagree with it... :/.

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It also annoys me that Burke won't just pick up cheap NHL calibre skill when the opportunities present themselves. A guy like Grabner isn't going to make or break your career as a GM, but I'd like to have a GM who will just pick up the free quarter off the floor once in a while. Grabner will probably suck, but he's no less proven than a Marcel Mueller signing.

And yes, Burke does talk too much for his own good. This is another example.
honestly? burke has prob been the most active gms at picking up "free wallets"

gustavsson
bozak
hanson
rynnas
scrivens

etc ALL FREE, i wouldnt take that against him

like others have said this is a sink or swim year though, it will be a failure if were a bottom feeder again, aside from another top line winger i feel he has done a good job remolding the team under the circumstances he had

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10-05-2010, 08:55 PM
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I think the guy's being way too hard on himself. He's made some really good trades/signings. He's built this team back from the ground up, he's added Aulliure as a goalie coach, he's added Nonis as assistant GM/VP of MLSE. Sure he's made some questionable moves along the way (not firing Wilson, not fixing the 3rd line centre position etc). I'd give Burke overall a solid B-. I've been a leaf fan since 93', and he's been our best gm I've ever seen. If anyone gets a failing grade it's JFJ, now that guy was a brutal gm.
90 percent of the guys are his guys. He's spent to the cap and we are minus next year's 1st rd pick. Will we be better than the 9 - 12 spot in the east? I think not. I don't think he's built anything up

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Sounds like you are happy with that lineup. IMO, we need 1st line center and LW to be a solid playoff team. For a legit contender we need upgrades at most of our top 9.

Do not have - do not have - Kessel
Kulemin - Bozak - Versteeg
Sjostrom - do not have - do not have
Orr - brown - do not have
Bozak has potential to be a top line centre. We do need a strong 2nd line scoring winger though. 3rd line centre we dont have yet, but that could change within 24 hours. We do have a gritty 3rd line RW (Armstrong). Brown isnt a centre, and yes we do have a 4th line centre (Hanson) problem is hes in the ahl for some strange reason. Really the 2 key pieces missing are 2nd line scoring winger, and 3rd line centre.

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10-05-2010, 08:56 PM
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Stajan? Really? Nice guy, not a good hockey player.

Burke has done a complete overhaul of this team, it has more decent youth in its system then I can remember.

As per the comment regarding his loyalty to Wilson, I guarantee you if Wilson doesn't get results out of the gate in key areas like PK and Goals Against you will see the staff fired. In fact, I wouldn't hesitate to say that they have a plan for that possibility. Bob Hartley? Ken Hitchcock? Craig MacTavish?

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90 percent of the guys are his guys. He's spent to the cap and we are minus next year's 1st rd pick. Will we be better than the 9 - 12 spot in the east? I think not. I don't think he's built anything up
Yes, majority of the players are his. The problem isnt the players so much as it is the coach. Wilson needs to go right now.

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10-05-2010, 08:58 PM
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Yes, majority of the players are his. The problem isnt the players so much as it is the coach. Wilson needs to go right now.
It's his coach. Or that's what it would seem to be at least.

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10-05-2010, 08:59 PM
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for me to be happy with our line up it needs too look something like this and somehow fit under the cap

???? - ???? - Kessel
Kulemin - Bozak - Versteeg
Sjostrom - ???? - Armstrong
Brown - Hanson - Orr

Phaneuf - Schenn
Kaberle - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Beauch
Lebda/Lashoff

Giguere
Gustavsson

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10-05-2010, 09:00 PM
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Stajan? Really? Nice guy, not a good hockey player.

Not a good hockey player are you for real???? The guy has back to back 50 plus point seasons (55, 57 pts) these past 2 years. He's solid on faceoffs, and not too shabby in his own end either.


Burke has done a complete overhaul of this team, it has more decent youth in its system then I can remember.
Agreed.

As per the comment regarding his loyalty to Wilson, I guarantee you if Wilson doesn't get results out of the gate in key areas like PK and Goals Against you will see the staff fired. In fact, I wouldn't hesitate to say that they have a plan for that possibility. Bob Hartley? Ken Hitchcock? Craig MacTavish?
Hell NO to Hitchock, hes not good with the youth, almost as bad as Wilson is. Only thing I like about Hitch is that he preaches a defense first system. Burke and MLSE do not want to play a defense first system, they think it's "boring", so they wont be bringing any defensive first coach into the system. Any new coach brought in will be one who preaches an aggressive puck pursuit offense first system.

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10-05-2010, 09:02 PM
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It's his coach. Or that's what it would seem to be at least.
Yup.

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Okay, this team is very young, if their ggod will Wilson still be bad with kids?

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for me to be happy with our line up it needs too look something like this and somehow fit under the cap

???? - ???? - Kessel
Kulemin - Bozak - Versteeg
Sjostrom - ???? - Armstrong
Brown - Hanson - Orr

Phaneuf - Schenn
Kaberle - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Beauch
Lebda/Lashoff

Giguere
Gustavsson
Since we are at the cap, the reality is, you can't fill in the question marks and keep the other guys. So we'd just be spinning our tires.

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