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06-08-2004, 07:30 AM
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the irony of the flames demise

the reason why they failed to win the cup was that they needed a true 1st line centre, a powerplay QB, and their goaltending was 2nd best. I like conroy but he is not a first line centre. Iggy needed someone ( like nedved) to finish and create chances. Unfortunately, this skill costs money and the flames were over budget all year. Conroy is a great banger, a true charactor guy, and is very smart defensively. My guess is that he signs a "marchant-type" contract next year with some US based team.

If you watched the flames pp, the pointmen were very ineffective. Their constant play was to get a wide open shot and opt for a flcik of the puck at the net. Nothing was getting through because they lacked the ability to make crisp passes and create open spaces. Perhaps Igor could run some numbers to show sutter that he would have better off with a forward back there


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I can't see any way Conroy won't re-sign with CAL, not only has CAL made enough money to try to keep him in CAL, he'll probably want to stay anyways.

If he feels a need to leave town, I hop[e it's up the road to EDM, he'd be a great fit

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I can't see any way Conroy won't re-sign with CAL, not only has CAL made enough money to try to keep him in CAL, he'll probably want to stay anyways.
I don't think how much money Calgary made means a lick of difference... the team's lost over $25 million the past few seasons, and are going to make a small profit this year... Conroy was going to be signed regardless of how much money Calgary made in the playoffs...

The thing that is going to kill them is that Iggy and Kipper are going to be very expensive to keep ($12mil).

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there was a lot of talk earlier in the year that conroy was trade bait because the flames were over budget. Conroy was, like Marchant, the teams' rent a player in his last year before ufa. If the flames were out of the playoff hunt, he would have been traded at the deadline . This is identical to the situation Lowe as in with marchant.

Unless the cba is fixed, there is no way the flames sign conroy as some idiot like sather or fergusson is sure to offer 5 mill a year. The flames have lost over 20 mill recently and will ony turn a small profit this year. They have very little room to increase revenues so they cannot afford to have their cost structure go through the roof.

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06-08-2004, 11:14 AM
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I don't think it's going to be as bad as one might think. Conroy will definetely ask for more, but he has boldy stated he wants to be here in Calgary and will find a way to do so accordingly. As for Iginla, he promised about 6 months back that he'd be willing to 're-structure' his contract and contract demands to stay with Calgary. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes the qualifying offer of $7 mil. I also wouldn't be surprised if Simon re-signed here as well.

Now Dean McAmmond, that's another story. I bet he's gone somewhere else this summer for sure.

A good playoff run like the Flames had is good reason for players to stay. I can't see the face of this team changing much by the time hockey starts again. We've finally found a product that works.

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06-08-2004, 11:20 AM
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Perhaps Igor could run some numbers to show sutter that he would have better off with a forward back there
You can't really do that with Calgary. Just because Sutter used two defencemen back there almost exclusively all year, so there isn't anything to compare against.

Hard to say with CGY though, they seem to have quite a few defensman that have decent offensive skills, and darn few forwards with PP skills. So I'm not convinced it would make much difference in their case. So unfortunately, I think the CGY PP was in tough either way.

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Calgary is a below average team that had a Cinderella run. On any given day any team can be beaten, and the Flames, filled with half rate players minus a couple had that fantasy run. Now back to reality. If they make the playoffs next year it would be very suprising. Lets remember, Calgary barely made the playoffs. They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior. THe only difference was goaltending and consistency. Flames won't even make the playoffs next year. They have too little talent and too many players that are below average that had incredible seasons/playoffs (Donovan, Nieminen, Nillson, Commodore, Montador, Ferrence, etc).

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They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior. THe only difference was goaltending and consistency.
Really? I think the difference was that Calgary owned Edmonton in the season series. That suggests to me that Calgary had the better team, dream season or not.

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Really? I think the difference was that Calgary owned Edmonton in the season series. That suggests to me that Calgary had the better team, dream season or not.
Of course Calgary owned Edmonton in the head to head - that was because all the games were played during Edmontons run of inconsistency. Everyone owned Edmonton in that stretch. My point being if the Oilers had played even half what they were capable of (specifically Ryan Smyth and Salo/Conklin) in the middle of the season it wouldn't have even been close between the two teams.

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Calgary is a below average team that had a Cinderella run. On any given day any team can be beaten, and the Flames, filled with half rate players minus a couple had that fantasy run. Now back to reality. If they make the playoffs next year it would be very suprising. Lets remember, Calgary barely made the playoffs. They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior. THe only difference was goaltending and consistency. Flames won't even make the playoffs next year. They have too little talent and too many players that are below average that had incredible seasons/playoffs (Donovan, Nieminen, Nillson, Commodore, Montador, Ferrence, etc).
yeah calgary doesnt have future hall of famers like corey cross, jason chimera.... give credit where it is due, their defense and goaltending is solid and young.. sure they might not make a similiar run next year but they showed a ton of character which many times beats staight talent.. ask van.det.and san jose

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Of course Calgary owned Edmonton in the head to head - that was because all the games were played during Edmontons run of inconsistency. Everyone owned Edmonton in that stretch. My point being if the Oilers had played even half what they were capable of (specifically Ryan Smyth and Salo/Conklin) in the middle of the season it wouldn't have even been close between the two teams.
I think where we diverge on this topic is your use of "if the Oilers". I'm not talking hypotheticals here: judging by results, Calgary had the better team this season. Potential is meaningless in the season's final standings.

Hey, I hate the Flames more than anyone on this board (start I-hate-Flames-more debate here), but let's give the diabolical ones some credit. Otherwise we sound like a bunch of sour grape whingers.

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Calgary is a below average team that had a Cinderella run. On any given day any team can be beaten, and the Flames, filled with half rate players minus a couple had that fantasy run. Now back to reality. If they make the playoffs next year it would be very suprising. Lets remember, Calgary barely made the playoffs. They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior. THe only difference was goaltending and consistency. Flames won't even make the playoffs next year. They have too little talent and too many players that are below average that had incredible seasons/playoffs (Donovan, Nieminen, Nillson, Commodore, Montador, Ferrence, etc).
This is a very naive post with glaring flaws aplenty. I agree with the Cinderella run, but that's about where it stops. On any given day, this team was able to contain and overcome the three Western Conference divisional leaders and humble their harsh critics. Perhaps there was a lack of 'talent,' but talent isn't always defined as goal-scoring and flashy moves. Why do you think everyone was calling the Flames out on boring trap hockey all season? Because that's just the way they play. Defense first. The powerhouses that were Vancouver, San Jose, and especially Detroit were unable to figure out this new blue-collar approach, and as such, were unable to defend against the hard-hitting, no-nonsense attitude of a well-coached Flames team. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames make it to the playoffs again next year, given that a major part of our offense (McAmmond and Reinprecht) were missing. Plus, Phaneuf seems to be almost ready to step in - I'd say a nice young corps of guys like Regehr, Lydman, Leopold, Phaneuf et al is a pretty good set of blueliners, don't you?

I also am interested to know as to why you think the Flames are inferior. Are you saying that out of spite for the Oilers not making it at all? Or do you actually have verifiable evidence to make the claim WHY the Flames are inferior? Two different teams, two different styles.

Overacheving players, you say? Well that may have some truth to it. But look at it this way - all the players Sutter has acquired since his assumption of the GM position have been defensive-minded players. Guys like Nilson, Neiminen, Simon, Warrener, and Reinprecht have all had a defensive element to their game. Sutter himself is a defense-first styled coach. So to say they overacheiving is completely disregarding the environment they are surrounded in - an environment were they can play their game best.

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Sorry, but this isn't the first time the big teams have been beat by a blue collar, no nonsense, defensive minded team (see both the Ducks and Wild's playoff run last year and the 'Canes playoff run the year before that, and the Caps playoff run years before that). Guess where all those teams went after their miracle run (don't kid yourself, that's precisely what it was)? Down. Because they played to their maximum potential and came up short. Any logical person would look at precident and see that the LIKELY turn for the Flames is to miss the playoffs for a few years again, now. About all the people staying, I'm sure they'd like to stay - but I know that they won't take half of what they could get else where. Iginla and Kipper alone are going to cost you ALOT of money for a team that was already over-budget and still has a LONG LONG LONG ways to go to make up all the money that the owners dropped over the last few years.

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They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior.
Is Edmonton better than Calgary? Quite simply, no. Pick any category to compare the teams in the last year, and the answer is quite obvious. I don't see how this can be argued.

I think I see where you're coming from though, and it leads to the question: Is Edmonton more talented than Calgary? It's debatable. I could see how some would say that Edmonton is more talented, though. But in the end, talent means squat if you can't put it together (see: Rangers).

Calgary was better than Edmonton this year, any way you look at it. Any arguement otherwise would require disclaimers (but, if....) and when it comes to that, it's all conjecture.

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[QUOTE=Bohologo]Potential is meaningless in the season's final standings.
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As they say. Potential just means you haven't done anything yet. As much as it hurts to admit, the Flames certainly accomplished a lot more this year than the Oil.

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Is Edmonton better than Calgary? Quite simply, no. ...

Calgary was better than Edmonton this year, any way you look at it. Any arguement otherwise would require disclaimers (but, if....) and when it comes to that, it's all conjecture.
Since it is difficult to argue the future without but's and if's maybe the only question to ask is;

Based on the rosters each team had on the last day of the season, which one would you prefer going into next season?

I would take Edmonton's in a heartbeat.

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Since it is difficult to argue the future without but's and if's maybe the only question to ask is;

Based on the rosters each team had on the last day of the season, which one would you prefer going into next season?

I would take Edmonton's in a heartbeat.
With all due respect to what the Flames accomplished this post-season, and putting aside by homer-colored glasses, I would agree.

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It's a simple matter of age/depth/and yes, the dreaded word "potential".

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I'm very glad the hated Flames didn't win the cup. I couldn't have handled Flames fans (excluding the flag bearing idiots who couldn't name 3 Flames players 9 weeks ago) lording this one over us for many years.

Having said that some Oil fans need to get off their petty wall and face a very important facts;The Flames aren't going anywhere.

They have the best player in the world right now. If you don't think that having a game breaker, bull of a leader on your team like Jarome Iginla doesn't guarantee a playoff contender status for the Flames, your smoking grass. Especially in today's NHL world were goals are scarce. Jarome Iginla by himself makes Calgary a better team than the Oilers.

I watched the Flames every game this playoffs save one or two. This team ain't no Minny or Anaheim. They beat the #1,#2,#3 seeds in the west and took the best team in the East to a 7th game heartbreaker. They were without arguably a second line (Reinprecht, Deano and Lombardi) in the finals as well as quality players like Gauthier and Donovan. Minny and Anaheim were trap specialist reams whose game plan was based on breaks, goaltending and special temas and caught a hot streak at the right time. Calgary played like vultures on speed, thye out worked and out skated every team they played. They were quite simply the most relentless team I've ever seen when it came to puck pursuit and attacking the net. There entire lineup took no shortcuts. I don't want to hear the "look what happen to Carolina/Anaheim/Washinton after their runs" if you can't realize the difference between this Flames team and a hot goalie/snoreafest Ducks team or a S***ty Hurricanes team that battled through a weak East then you haven't been watching enough playoff hockey in your life.

Added to all this is the fact that they have a great young 'D' corp that had now been seasoned in playoff intensity. Best player in the world + rock solid young D + relaible goaltending = playoff team any year in today's NHL.

Nevermind finances, this team's owners have shown a willingness to take losses and now they have the revenues from TWELVE playoff gates (plus the cut from the sales of all those bandwagon flags and Kipper jerseys sold to fairweather fans) to balance a budget for the next 2-3 years, if you honestly think there will be wholesale changes to that lineup - dream on.

I'm not saying the Oil can't accomplish great things and they will, IMO, present a good challenge to Calgary in the BOA. But again proven goaltending and the best player in the world will give the Flames the edge and Oil fans need to stop degrading themselves with stupid "I'm more happy about the current status of our team" comments. Stop the "pettiness" now.

P.S. - The Flames didn't lose the cup because of a lack of a #1 center of PP quaterbacking. When you lose in an intensly fought game seven of the Stanley Cup final after losing OT in Game 6 with a 3-2 lead, It's out of skills hands and into the realm of fate.

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I would take Edmonton's in a heartbeat.
First off, I gotta agree with ya, HT. A lot of good points in your post.

As for which team I'd prefer, as a homer, of course I'd take the Oil! Gotta love how the team put it together the last 20 games of the season.

How do Calgary and Edmonton stack up? That's a bit of a tougher call, and I think it's closer than some might think. copperandblue & windowlicker, if you guys take Edmonton's in a heartbeat, apparently I've got an arrythmia!

At the risk of starting another CAL vs. EDM debate..........

The way I see it, Calgary has the edge of the teams that ended the regular season:

Goaltending: Easy call here. Kipper is damn good! I don't think he's a fluke, and see many good years ahead for him.

Defence: Age, skill, toughness, potential, NHL depth - I gotta give the edge to Calgary once again. The Oilers' future looks good, but much of that future has yet to touch the NHL. In the here and now, Calgary wins.

Forwards: Edge to Edmonton. Forward depth is our strength right now, and a nice problem to have. Until the arrival of Nedved, Calgary's centre depth was even stronger than ours. But they do have the one thing we (and many other teams) don't have: a superstar gamebreaker in Iginla. And that goes a very long way.

Now, we can break it down all we like, but the fact remains that it's almost impossible to compare teams like this. Players who would excel in Edmonton's style of play would fail in a system like Calgary's and vice versa.

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They have the best player in the world right now. If you don't think that having a game breaker, bull of a leader on your team like Jarome Iginla doesn't guarantee a playoff contender status for the Flames, your smoking grass. Especially in today's NHL world were goals are scarce. Jarome Iginla by himself makes Calgary a better team than the Oilers.
Granted, but they've had the best player in the World for a couple of years now. Not only that, but based on the past 2 games, it is pretty safe to say that if you eliminate Iginla (easier said than done, I know), the Flames are toast. Iginla has been a game breaker for 3 years now, and this was the first time the Flames made the playoffs, so no, having Iginla doesn't guarantee the Flames anything.

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I watched the Flames every game this playoffs save one or two. This team ain't no Minny or Anaheim. They beat the #1,#2,#3 seeds in the west and took the best team in the East to a 7th game heartbreaker. They were without arguably a second line (Reinprecht, Deano and Lombardi) in the finals as well as quality players like Gauthier and Donovan. Minny and Anaheim were trap specialist reams whose game plan was based on breaks, goaltending and special temas and caught a hot streak at the right time. Calgary played like vultures on speed, thye out worked and out skated every team they played. They were quite simply the most relentless team I've ever seen when it came to puck pursuit and attacking the net. There entire lineup took no shortcuts.
They only thing Calgary did differently than either Minnesota or Anaheim was continually throw in a fore-checker... Other than that, it was 4 guys in the neutral zone clogging the crap out of it. Calgary looked like a relentless always skating team because they were always in position. They had one forechecker in deep, and the other 4 players attacked the outlet pass. That is exactly how they played in the playoffs.

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I don't want to hear the "look what happen to Carolina/Anaheim/Washinton after their runs" if you can't realize the difference between this Flames team and a hot goalie/snoreafest Ducks team or a S***ty Hurricanes team that battled through a weak East then you haven't been watching enough playoff hockey in your life.
Do you honestly think a hot goaltender had no bearing on them making it as far as they did in the playoffs? They gave up 69 shots in the last 2 games against Detroit and won both games 1-0. They won 1 game when their goaltending gave up 3 or more goals. Those S***ty Hurricanes also beat two of the better teams in the league that year (Toronto and the Devils). Anaheim last year beat 2 conference champions as well as the team who beat the other 2 teams in the top 4 in the conference. The Flames aren't much different... especially not in them beating better teams.

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Added to all this is the fact that they have a great young 'D' corp that had now been seasoned in playoff intensity. Best player in the world + rock solid young D + relaible goaltending = playoff team any year in today's NHL.
As we've seen, great young D have numerous ups and downs, and let's not forget to ask Anaheim how it feels to have "reliable" goaltending. We've seen this countless times in the past few years. Theodore, Turco, Giguere have all had incredible seasons only to falter badly at various other times in the near future.

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Nevermind finances, this team's owners have shown a willingness to take losses and now they have the revenues from TWELVE playoff gates (plus the cut from the sales of all those bandwagon flags and Kipper jerseys sold to fairweather fans) to balance a budget for the next 2-3 years, if you honestly think there will be wholesale changes to that lineup - dream on.
They also have 2 huge contracts that are up... Iginla and Kipper. Kipper could probably command Giggy type money, and Iginla is going to make at least the $7mil he made this year, but could probably look for upwards of $10mil if he wanted to... Calgary made a marginal profit this season, and it's debatable how much more money the owners were willing to lose. They could very well have been in the same boat as the Oilers in that they were simply trying to get to 2004. How much more do you think they are willing to lose?

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I'm not saying the Oil can't accomplish great things and they will, IMO, present a good challenge to Calgary in the BOA. But again proven goaltending and the best player in the world will give the Flames the edge and Oil fans need to stop degrading themselves with stupid "I'm more happy about the current status of our team" comments. Stop the "pettiness" now.
Calgary's proven that you can have the best player in the world and not make the playoffs. If Kipper is anything resembling human next year, the Flames are going to be in a world of hurt. It took Kipper playing absolutely incredible to get them into the playoffs, and the Flames are royally screwed if Iggy or Kipper gets any kind of serious injury next year.

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P.S. - The Flames didn't lose the cup because of a lack of a #1 center of PP quaterbacking. When you lose in an intensly fought game seven of the Stanley Cup final after losing OT in Game 6 with a 3-2 lead, It's out of skills hands and into the realm of fate.
Don't you think that maybe that power play quarterback or true first line centre might not have gotten them that one goal they needed in game 6? Or maybe allowed them to play a few less games than the 19 it took to get to the finals? It's very much in skills hands when you are one goal away from the Stanley Cup... we saw it in Tampa, skill took over and they won.


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The negative to trading Weight/Guerin/Hamrlik/Niinimaa for prospects is that the Oilers didn't get that deep run into the playoffs that might have come with keeping some of these guys and running 40 million dollar payrolls.

Calgary didn't trade Iginla and were awarded with a rather unlikely trip to the finals, and credit where it's due.

Looking ahead, the positive is that if the new CBA allows them to keep this generation of Weight's long enough to have an impact they are very likely better positioned than Calgary for the back half of this decade.

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Calgary is a below average team that had a Cinderella run. On any given day any team can be beaten, and the Flames, filled with half rate players minus a couple had that fantasy run. Now back to reality. If they make the playoffs next year it would be very suprising. Lets remember, Calgary barely made the playoffs. They are no better than Edmonton, in fact IMO they are far inferior. THe only difference was goaltending and consistency. Flames won't even make the playoffs next year. They have too little talent and too many players that are below average that had incredible seasons/playoffs (Donovan, Nieminen, Nillson, Commodore, Montador, Ferrence, etc).
Harsh, but fair. :lol

Well, IMO the safest bet in all of sport is the NHL regular season over/under for the cinderella team following a playoff run (Bet Under ). If you'd bet the rent on the '86 (15ish-0 in playoff OT) Habs not reaching the bookies target the next regular season ... then placed your winnings on the same bet against every other team that went on an unlikely playoff run the year before ... you could buy a Porsche Cayenne with cash right now!

But if Kiprusoff and Iginla stay healthy and have great years ... CGY could end up with home-ice in the playoffs IMO. But either one of them gets hurt or struggles for a stretch and it will be tough for them to make the playoffs. Just my guess.

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They have the best player in the world right now.
Iginla is an elite player, there is no doubt about that. But the best player in the world? Does the best player in the world get NO shots on goal in one of the biggest games in his teams history? I dont think so.
BTW, he didn't get any shots on goal in the last 2 periods of the 6th game either, which happened to be kind of an important game as well.

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Having said that some Oil fans need to get off their petty wall and face a very important facts;The Flames aren't going anywhere.
Perhaps the Flames will be around for a while, although the pettiness in me disputes that.

That said, why does that mean it's at the expense of the Oilers?

I asked which roster would you rather have.

When I say I would rather have the Oilers roster I am happily conceding the fact that the best player on either team belongs to the Flames and based on last years performance, the best goalie is on Flames. That said, I think the Oilers are deeper, in a more cohesive age range and their roster is more well rounded.

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They have the best player in the world right now. If you don't think that having a game breaker, bull of a leader on your team like Jarome Iginla doesn't guarantee a playoff contender status for the Flames, your smoking grass. Especially in today's NHL world were goals are scarce. Jarome Iginla by himself makes Calgary a better team than the Oilers.
He also makes the team one injury away or one effective checking line away from an also ran.

If he repeats his 67 pt season of last year, are the Flames contenders again? Even if you think he will consistantly put up 90pts for the next 5 years, the point is that as long as there is only one star on their roster, it makes them a pretty fragile team.

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I watched the Flames every game this playoffs save one or two. This team ain't no Minny or Anaheim. They beat the #1,#2,#3 seeds in the west and took the best team in the East to a 7th game heartbreaker. They were without arguably a second line (Reinprecht, Deano and Lombardi) in the finals as well as quality players like Gauthier and Donovan. Minny and Anaheim were trap specialist reams whose game plan was based on breaks, goaltending and special temas and caught a hot streak at the right time. Calgary played like vultures on speed, thye out worked and out skated every team they played. They were quite simply the most relentless team I've ever seen when it came to puck pursuit and attacking the net. There entire lineup took no shortcuts. I don't want to hear the "look what happen to Carolina/Anaheim/Washinton after their runs" if you can't realize the difference between this Flames team and a hot goalie/snoreafest Ducks team or a S***ty Hurricanes team that battled through a weak East then you haven't been watching enough playoff hockey in your life.
The funny thing is, when Buffalo was compared to Florida all the Buffalo fans were saying the same thing. When Carolina was compared to Buffalo, the Carolina fans were saying the same thing. When Minny and Anaheim were compared to Carolina, their fans were saying the same thing.

I've learned not to argue the points because it is futile but history tells me that until they actually prove otherwise, it was a cinderella run. Nothing else.

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Added to all this is the fact that they have a great young 'D' corp that had now been seasoned in playoff intensity. Best player in the world + rock solid young D + relaible goaltending = playoff team any year in today's NHL.
I agree they have a very promising young defensive corp. I also think the Edmonton has a very promising defensive corp. Any edge Calgary may have in this department isn't enough for me to trade the depth a forward in Edmonton for the lack of depth in Calgary.

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Nevermind finances, this team's owners have shown a willingness to take losses and now they have the revenues from TWELVE playoff gates (plus the cut from the sales of all those bandwagon flags and Kipper jerseys sold to fairweather fans) to balance a budget for the next 2-3 years, if you honestly think there will be wholesale changes to that lineup - dream on.
Wholesale changes? No
Significant additions? No
Irregardless I am looking at the rosters at the end of last season not the hopefully's and maybe's.

Just a couple points, they were overbudget on the season so many of the extra dates went to paying that off.

Without adding payroll and not banking on 12 home dates next year, they are still overbuget so I would expect that if anything you will see some guys let go...currently speculation is it will be guys like Simon and Oliwa at the least.

Merchandising doesn't go to the Flames. All merchandising revenue is collected by the league and distributed amongst all teams. The only way the Flames really benefit is if the merchandising this year outsold all other years.

If you were a business man and lost 25 mil over the course of x # of years, does the first year you actually see the business in the black mean that you are immediately going to go on a spending spree? or do you simply recoup some of your previous losses? or perhaps it goes into a slush fund to help out the next time there is a period of struggling?

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I'm not saying the Oil can't accomplish great things and they will, IMO, present a good challenge to Calgary in the BOA. But again proven goaltending and the best player in the world will give the Flames the edge and Oil fans need to stop degrading themselves with stupid "I'm more happy about the current status of our team" comments. Stop the "pettiness" now.
I am more happy about the current status of our team.

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P.S. - The Flames didn't lose the cup because of a lack of a #1 center of PP quaterbacking. When you lose in an intensly fought game seven of the Stanley Cup final after losing OT in Game 6 with a 3-2 lead, It's out of skills hands and into the realm of fate.
Perhaps the same fate that took the team to the finals in the finals in the first place?

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