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Boogaard 76 67.86%
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10-07-2010, 04:26 PM
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Don't know as I have to see how Boogaard is used by Tortorella.

And it's really Orr versus Brashear. That was a horrible choice by Sather.

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10-07-2010, 04:47 PM
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Orr ... most likely to have you spitting chicklets

Boogey ... most likely to block the sun

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10-07-2010, 04:48 PM
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In a hockey fight, Boogaard - hands down - would 99.9% of the time mop the floor with Orr.

I like Colton, but he doesn't stand a chance against Boogaard.
So you do know that Orr beat him twice already right?

Anything can happen when these two have a go.

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10-07-2010, 04:53 PM
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So you do know that Orr beat him twice already right?

Anything can happen when these two have a go.
When? Back in 00-01?

If they fought recently, I was unaware.

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10-07-2010, 04:58 PM
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id take orr with his contract. in a fight boogaard probably wins hands down.

personally id rather have neither.
agreed

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10-07-2010, 05:09 PM
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I'll be at the home opener so I hope they go...I'll always like Orr and he's one of the best fighters in the league but I hope and think Boogaard takes this one.

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10-07-2010, 05:13 PM
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So you do know that Orr beat him twice already right?

Anything can happen when these two have a go.
Orr beat him twice??? what world were you on when you witnessed this?

i love Orr, but they've only fought in juniors and how you could describe either fight as anything other than draws is beyond me. no damage was done by either fighter and you cant judge them on punches thrown, everyone outpunches boogaard, the problem is if he lands one square your done.

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10-07-2010, 05:17 PM
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shouldn't we wait till the season starts?

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10-07-2010, 05:18 PM
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This is misleading.

In a fight.... Orr VS. Boogaard. Boogaard

If this is about who would I prefer... ORR. HANDS DOWN

Sather messed up letting him go (what else is new).. just to replace with a similar fighter but worse skater/player

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10-07-2010, 05:19 PM
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Boogaard and Orr WILL fight at the home opener. Bet on that.

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10-07-2010, 05:47 PM
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When? Back in 00-01?

If they fought recently, I was unaware.
Not recently, but yes they have fought twice.

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10-07-2010, 05:47 PM
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I prefer Orr, he was a great enforcer for the rangers. He is a better player than Boogaard too. I doubt Boogaard even plays 5 minutes a game for Torts.

If they did fight Boogaard would win probably 9 out of 10 times.

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10-07-2010, 05:53 PM
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And it's really Orr versus Brashear. That was a horrible choice by Sather.
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10-07-2010, 06:02 PM
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Not recently, but yes they have fought twice.
Tell me it was after the 00-01 season...

...because if not, you're making an argument that Orr can beat Boogaard because they fought 10 years ago.

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10-07-2010, 06:09 PM
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Orr is 4x the hockey player that Boogard is; however, for the 5 minutes a game that Boogard plays, people fear for their lives. If Boogard ever gets up a head of steam, watch out, he is a punishing body checker. The problem with Boogard is no one will fight him, although, being in the Atlantic Division this year, he will get a fair shake. I can't wait for him and Godard to stand off. I hope Torts puts Boogard out on the ice when Carcillo is out as well on their first meeting. On top of that, I hope Gabby is on the ice at the same time.

On most teams, taking into equation cap savings etc, I would rather have Orr on my fourth line. He is a better skater and safer to have out there. On the Rangers, I would rather have Boogard. With the additions of Prust and Boogard, Hank and Gabby are safe, something that has not been the case for a couple years. And when our team has so little assets that are impervative to protect, I'd rather have the more feared player. Besides, Boogard is not afraid to cheap shot people.

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10-07-2010, 06:10 PM
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Orr beat him twice??? what world were you on when you witnessed this?

i love Orr, but they've only fought in juniors and how you could describe either fight as anything other than draws is beyond me. no damage was done by either fighter and you cant judge them on punches thrown, everyone outpunches boogaard, the problem is if he lands one square your done.
Orr definately won the first fight, and the second fight I think he edged him out again. So do the fight sites, and that's all those guys do. No matter how you slice it, Boogey certainly didn't win either of them and Orr definately won the first one. Again edged him in the second one too.

"Everyone outpunches boogaard"??? That statement doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of guys don't like to let loose with Boogaard, but would rather hang on and fight him more technically.

But...you you do know that Orr has done far more damage than Boogaard has done to date right? Evidenced below...

KO over Carkner
TKO over Carkner
KO Over Rupp
TKO Over Sutton
TKO Over Boulerice
KO Over Fedoruk
TKO Over Godard
TKO Over Boulton
Broken Nose over Rullier
Broken Nose over Godard
Broken Nose over Belak
Fractured Orbital Bone over Roy
Knockdown over Janssens
Pounding over Brookbank <--Looked like Rocky aftewards!
Bloodied Fritz


I get what you are saying though, Boogaard is a very tough individual and certainly top 3 guy maybe even 1 with big Georges out of the game. But...As big and bad as he is, don't count out guy that has every bit of power that Boogey has. I think these two will have a go on the opener and if it happens ill be on my feet cheering on Boogey...but I will never discount Colton Orr. As that crazy ole Granny used to say..."That boy's one bad mother $%#@!!"

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10-07-2010, 06:29 PM
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Orr definately won the first fight, and the second fight I think he edged him out again. So do the fight sites, and that's all those guys do. No matter how you slice it, Boogey certainly didn't win either of them and Orr definately won the first one. Again edged him in the second one too.

"Everyone outpunches boogaard"??? That statement doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of guys don't like to let loose with Boogaard, but would rather hang on and fight him more technically.

But...you you do know that Orr has done far more damage than Boogaard has done to date right? Evidenced below...

KO over Carkner
TKO over Carkner
KO Over Rupp
TKO Over Sutton
TKO Over Boulerice
KO Over Fedoruk
TKO Over Godard
TKO Over Boulton
Broken Nose over Rullier
Broken Nose over Godard
Broken Nose over Belak
Fractured Orbital Bone over Roy
Knockdown over Janssens
Pounding over Brookbank <--Looked like Rocky aftewards!
Bloodied Fritz


I get what you are saying though, Boogaard is a very tough individual and certainly top 3 guy maybe even 1 with big Georges out of the game. But...As big and bad as he is, don't count out guy that has every bit of power that Boogey has. I think these two will have a go on the opener and if it happens ill be on my feet cheering on Boogey...but I will never discount Colton Orr. As that crazy ole Granny used to say..."That boy's one bad mother $%#@!!"
You're talking about two fights that occurred a decade ago during the 2000-2001 season.

I wouldn't put much (read: any) weight into them; especially considering Boogaard was a teenager at the time and still growing into his massive frame.

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10-07-2010, 06:37 PM
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You're talking about two fights that occurred a decade ago during the 2000-2001 season.

I wouldn't put much (read: any) weight into them; especially considering Boogaard was a teenager at the time and still growing into his massive frame.

They both were young at the time and both were growing into their frames. But...the point I am making is this. Everyone here is discounting Orr in this fight(if they fight)...But if you look at the track records while Boogaard miught have better win ratios, Orr has done far, FAR more damage than Boogaard has done in his NHL career.

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10-07-2010, 06:49 PM
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Tell me it was after the 00-01 season...

...because if not, you're making an argument that Orr can beat Boogaard because they fought 10 years ago.
And the agrugment you are making is that Boogaard is indestructable and can't lose...and certainly not to Orr. When in fact he has lost to Orr already.

I heard people say that about Brashear untill he got TKO'd by Doug Doull. Do you even know who Doug Doull is? Point I am making is anyone can beat anyone when it comes down to a hockey fight. Especially a guy with KO power like Orr has.

Just remember this...Boogaard has lost in his NHL career. He's got losses to Laraque, Brashear, Low, Godard, Simon, Parros, Vandermeer, Koci, and Belak. A few of those guys Orr has already put on thier ass.

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I think Boogaards intimidation factor has been apparent so far in the games he's played in and not been thrown out of .

If Orr and Boogs throw down at the season opener and Boogaard loses, Boogaards career in New York will be terrible for him.

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You're talking about two fights that occurred a decade ago during the 2000-2001 season.

I wouldn't put much (read: any) weight into them; especially considering Boogaard was a teenager at the time and still growing into his massive frame.
OK, so let's bring the argument into the now. Lets say the last 3 years.

By Damage Done...

Boogaard 1 TKO win over Brian McGrattan

Orr KO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Mike Rupp
Bloodied Mitch Fritz
TKO over Andy Sutton
TKO over Jesse Boulerice

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They both were young at the time and both were growing into their frames. But...the point I am making is this. Everyone here is discounting Orr in this fight(if they fight)...But if you look at the track records while Boogaard miught have better win ratios, Orr has done far, FAR more damage than Boogaard has done in his NHL career.
I dont think anone is discounting Orr, I love him and would rather have him on our team. But if your asking who is the bigger puncher, its derek. An my point about outpunching boogaard earlier was about people landing more punched, derek doesn't just throw rabbit punches, he'll take your shots until he finds an opening, ask todd fedoruk, i thought he killed him, lol, watch this video from 4:09 on to the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1EGzp9DLY


here's a link to the boogaard v. orr fights, i believe they were both 19 y/o at the time. Again i just dont see a winner, orr throws plenty of punches, but it doesnt seem to phase boogaard at all, i need to see someone hurting/bleeding/holding on for dear life to declare a winner when heavy wieghts are fighting.

http://www.crashthecrease.com/2010/0...gaard-1-and-2/

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OK, so let's bring the argument into the now. Lets say the last 3 years.

By Damage Done...

Boogaard 1 TKO win over Brian McGrattan

Orr KO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Mike Rupp
Bloodied Mitch Fritz
TKO over Andy Sutton
TKO over Jesse Boulerice
To be fair, I am not sure ANY of those players would fight Boogaard.

Sutton? No chance.

Boulerice? He is a punching bag.

Fritz? AHL tough guy who is more big than anything else.

Rupp? Big and strong. Transformed himself into a fighter in order to make the NHL. Not overly skilled but will go.

Carkner? Big and willing. Still learning.

I would honestly fear for any of those guys if they decided to fight Boogaard.

edit: I am in no way saying Orr wouldn't have a chance with Boogaard. I think his style would actually cause some problems but Boogaard is SO big and So good at fighting than many heavyweights shy away from him. That shows quite a bit.

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OK, so let's bring the argument into the now. Lets say the last 3 years.

By Damage Done...

Boogaard 1 TKO win over Brian McGrattan

Orr KO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Matt Carkner
TKO over Mike Rupp
Bloodied Mitch Fritz
TKO over Andy Sutton
TKO over Jesse Boulerice
Orr has fought 23, 18, and 18 times over the last three regular season.

Boogaard has fought 9, 10, and 10 times over the last three regulat seasons. How many of those guys that you listed as Orr TKOs would even drop the gloves with Boogaard? Fritz is the only one imo.

I'm not saying Boogaard can't lose . . . anyone can. However, your basis is just as flawed (if not moreso) than the other side's.

Summary: It's not surprising that Orr/Boogaard would both TKO nonheavyweights. Nonheavyweights won't fight Boogaard, but they will fight Orr.

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And if you really want to use hockeyfights.com to compare the two, take the fighters who they both fought over the last few years and create a scorecard of those. Your statistics prove absolutely nothing, because the only true NHL heavyweight listed is McGrattan.

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