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10-09-2010, 10:35 AM
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Gazette: Poor drafting hobbles Habs

How dare Stu Cowan ever question the draft recrord of Trevor Timmins and the Hab's scouts - Timmins is THE greatest!

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...424/story.html

Well........if nothing else he's at least good for a laugh!


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The Pittsburgh Penguins and Chicago Blackhawks have shown over the past two National Hockey League seasons how to build a Stanley Cup champion through the entry draft.
stopped reading there.

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When the Blackhawks won the Cup last season, they also had five first-round picks on the roster: defencemen Brent Seabrooke (No. 14 in 2003) and Cam Barker (No. 3 in '04),
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One word: proofreading.

The whole premise is skewed. Weird ass article.

Plus the pimping of Brule is shocking. Guy was traded, demoted, playing on a third line in Edmonton. Why even bring him up?

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10-09-2010, 10:55 AM
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We missed Getzlaf and Kopitar when Gainey publicly stated he needed big centermen is basically what he's saying. Same old argument.

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What a terrible article. I guess drafting guys like Streit, Latendresse and Halak was also "poor drafting" since they aren't with the team anymore.

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good to know PK and price are already busts... yep

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stopped reading there.
Yeah where's Atlanta's rings after picking top 2 for 4 straight years including 2 #1 overalls and 2 50 goal scorers.

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10-09-2010, 11:05 AM
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I think he means first rounders and he would be right. You can't make a mistake in the first round or it will hurt your team for years. Especially when you state publicly that you need big centermen and two franchise guys stare you in the face in the first round and you choose a Belorussian who can't skate and a goalie with attitude problems.

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It hasn't been that bad.

Latendresse
Halak
Andrei Kostitsyn
Streit
Grabovski
Pk Subban

Three top 6 forwards a number one goalie and a PP QB and a potential top 2 d-man

Sure no superstar, but aside from that we've been pretty consistent as the rest of the league at producing top6 forwards and top 4 d-men.

I don't think he's done a bad job, it hasn't been the best but it isn't horrible given where we've been drafting.

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This is probably one of the worst hockey related articles I've ever read. First of all, he credits Pittsburgh and Chicago for good drafting, but essentially it's just a product of them sucking. Guys he references are Toews, Kane, Crosby, Malkin,and Fleury, that are can't miss top prospects. Sure, they did some good late round drafting that they deserve credit for like Buff, Keith, Talbot, but so have the Habs with Halak, Pleks, Markov.
Sure, our drafting hasn't been great, especially in the late 90's and early 2000s' but we haven't finished last in the league to get a top pick either.
Also, the guy didn't do his research, said Brule was drafted by Edmonton, when in fact he was traded there by Columbus.

Just a pointless, terribly written and researched article. Poor insight altogether

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10-09-2010, 11:12 AM
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Yeah where's Atlanta's rings after picking top 2 for 4 straight years including 2 #1 overalls and 2 50 goal scorers.
The Stefan draft was one of the worst in history, Lehtonen could've been a very good goalie if not for all his injuries and the whole Heatley/Dan Snyder incident sure didn't help. Also they were an expansion team just starting out and their best player was Andrew Brunette... not really the same situation as the Pens and Hawks.

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It hasn't been that bad.

Latendresse
Halak
Andrei Kostitsyn
Streit
Grabovski
Pk Subban

Three top 6 forwards a number one goalie and a PP QB and a potential top 2 d-man

Sure no superstar, but aside from that we've been pretty consistent as the rest of the league at producing top6 forwards and top 4 d-men.

I don't think he's done a bad job, it hasn't been the best but it isn't horrible given where we've been drafting.
Love how he doesn't mention Timmins drafting Streit, Halak, Grabovski, Latendresse and Sergei Kostitsyn but mentions Chicago drafting Adam Burish.

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Could have been an interesting read about the Habs' inability to draft impact players in the first round, instead it was essentially "Why didn't the Habs draft Crosby?"

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Cam Barker did NOT win a STANLEY CUP

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The Stefan draft was one of the worst in history, Lehtonen could've been a very good goalie if not for all his injuries and the whole Heatley/Dan Snyder incident sure didn't help. Also they were an expansion team just starting out and their best player was Andrew Brunette... not really the same situation as the Pens and Hawks.
Lehtonen is still in the league. Why they traded him I'm not sure. I would have waited. Waddell is perhaps the worst GM in NHL history.

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I'm sure we'd be just as good as Pittsburgh and Washington if we had the opportunity to draft ovy Crosby, malkin, Kane, toews etc. Bad, bad article full of fail.

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I think he means first rounders and he would be right. You can't make a mistake in the first round or it will hurt your team for years.
Not true, unless it's a top 5 pick. Not drafting well in the first round hasn't hurt Detroit the past few years. You can make mistakes in the first round, a lot of teams do. If you don't make up for it in the later rounds, that's where it's going to hurt your team.

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I'm sure we'd be just as good as Pittsburgh and Washington if we had the opportunity to draft ovy Crosby, malkin, Kane, toews etc. Bad, bad article full of fail.
Washington is talented for sure but IIRC, we won one more series than them since Ovy entered the league.

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10-09-2010, 12:00 PM
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Article is dumb...but the Habs haven't drafted that well...but they also haven't drafted badly. I'd give them a grade of C+ mainly cuz they've drafted very well in the late rounds but stumbled in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

Habs still have not drafted that big center or power forward they've needed... They've seriously failed here.

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Not true, unless it's a top 5 pick. Not drafting well in the first round hasn't hurt Detroit the past few years. You can make mistakes in the first round, a lot of teams do. If you don't make up for it in the later rounds, that's where it's going to hurt your team.
Detroit has not had glaring needs like the Habs. Plus they've done well via trade.

Keep in mind they've selected towards the end of the 1st round in the last 10 years.

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Not true, unless it's a top 5 pick. Not drafting well in the first round hasn't hurt Detroit the past few years. You can make mistakes in the first round, a lot of teams do. If you don't make up for it in the later rounds, that's where it's going to hurt your team.
Detroit is an anomaly. Bowman found them three franchise players late in the draft. Not to hard to complete the picture after that. If they hadn't been so stubborn about goaltending they might have won many more Cups.

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Anyone else glad we ended up with Price instead of Ryan in 2005 (and, obviously, Brule, Pouliot, ...)

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