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10-09-2010, 01:12 PM
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KHL games will give Coyotes and Canes quick start

Right after Carolina game versus SKA I made a post on Carolina board that I thought Carolina will have at least a great month of October and here is why.

Playing against KHL teams is way more important for the NHL teams than what they would tell you. Because of that Carolina and Phoenix had a lot better physical and mental preparation than majority of the NHL teams. While many NHL teams are still entering slowly into the regular season both Carolina and Phoenix already played a very intense, playoff like games in Russia and Latvia. I think it gives these teams some advantage. I am not saying they will have great seasons but I think they will both have great first 10 games or so.

P.S. Skinner of Carolina in the interview last night said that Carolina had a very tough game in Russia, which again proves that it wasn't just a typical preseason game. I hope NHL will continue having such series for the sake of improvement of hockey.

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Right after Carolina game versus SKA I made a post on Carolina board that I thought Carolina will have at least a great month of October and here is why.

Playing against KHL teams is way more important for the NHL teams than what they would tell you. Because of that Carolina and Phoenix had a lot better physical and mental preparation than majority of the NHL teams. While many NHL teams are still entering slowly into the regular season both Carolina and Phoenix already played a very intense, playoff like games in Russia and Latvia.
I stopped reading there. The game between DR an PHX was as uncompetative as it gets.

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Agree 100% with 'ozo,' your post can hold true for the SKA-Carolina match, I dont know how competitive NHL pre-season matches are but that match was played fast, hard hitting, physical so I can see how the gave Carolina an advantage and focus heading into their NHL season.

However, the same dosnt hold for Phoenix, their match with DR was treated so much like a pointless match it is not even funny. No drive, no fight, so slow paced, barely anybody cared enough to hit, all 4 goalies played. It simply was treated like a friendly. I did not see any of Boston matches in Cze or Belfast, but I am sure those were more competitive then Phoenix match.

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I stopped reading there. The game between DR an PHX was as uncompetative as it gets.
Technically it was more competitive than Phoenix's win today over Boston. But I agree that Riga was simply outclassed in this game, they simply do not have any serious offensive talent. My point is defferent though, the preparation for the game and physical readiness should give both teams good start to the season.

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Agree 100% with 'ozo,' your post can hold true for the SKA-Carolina match, I dont know how competitive NHL pre-season matches are but that match was played fast, hard hitting, physical so I can see how the gave Carolina an advantage and focus heading into their NHL season.
I agree it wasn't competitive, but the preparation for it was serious, you could see that Phoenix was in a very very good form, and that is also why Riga looked so flat and I would say embarassed the KHL a little with their showing.

The point like I said is that the games were taken seriously and Carolina and Phoenix are ahead than most of the teams.

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I agree it wasn't competitive, but the preparation for it was serious, you could see that Phoenix was in a very very good form, and that is also why Riga looked so flat and I would say embarassed the KHL a little with their showing.

The point like I said is that the games were taken seriously and Carolina and Phoenix are ahead than most of the teams.
what the hell u talking about - embarrassed the KHL, great show, great fans, team is no contest to the NHL, so is 80% of the league...

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what the hell u talking about - embarrassed the KHL, great show, great fans, team is no contest to the NHL, so is 80% of the league...
Oh no, there was no knock on that part, I loved the atmosphere, the fans were unbelievable, I wish the hockey fans everywhere else were as great as in Riga. I want Riga to be successful simply because of its fans. But outside of that I felt embarassed with the way Riga played, specially in the second part of the game. I know it was one game but the indication is very very strong that the game that Riga and obviously majority of the KHL plays is outdated, ugly and needs a major overhaul.

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Oh no, there was no knock on that part, I loved the atmosphere, the fans were unbelievable, I wish the hockey fans everywhere else were as great as in Riga. I want Riga to be successful simply because of its fans. But outside of that I felt embarassed with the way Riga played, specially in the second part of the game. I know it was one game but the indication is very very strong that the game that Riga and obviously majority of the KHL plays is outdated, ugly and needs a major overhaul.
Only thing that is embarrassing is your post. No doubt DR are no match for PHX but to draw some conclusions from the game which both teams treated as skating practice is simply wrong. Players from both sides chatting during commercials and smiling after goalie saves instead of intense goalie crushing and using every player on the roster and avoiding hard hitting.

Nonetheless it was great day out for the fans who saw NHL stars live.

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Only thing that is embarrassing is your post. No doubt DR are no match for PHX but to draw some conclusions from the game which both teams treated as skating practice is simply wrong. Players from both sides chatting during commercials and smiling after goalie saves instead of intense goalie crushing and using every player on the roster and avoiding hard hitting.

Nonetheless it was great day out for the fans who saw NHL stars live.
I am sorry you feel a need to attack my opinion that way. Players may have chatted and smiled but both teams came to win. Phoenix played a solid game with minimum mistakes, when they scored the third goal they went to shutdown mode and Riga wasn't able to mount any sorts of pressure, couldn't match the speed, skill, strength of Phoenix. In a way Phoenix exposed Riga as an inferior club.

Both Carolina and Phoenix impressed the Russian fans and specialists with the way they played. Even in the loss Carolina showed very dynamic hockey, way more dynamic than KHL top teams show in majority of games. KHL teams should definitely use these games as good opportunity to learn and improve their game.

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I am sorry you feel a need to attack my opinion that way. Players may have chatted and smiled but both teams came to win. Phoenix played a solid game with minimum mistakes, when they scored the third goal they went to shutdown mode and Riga wasn't able to mount any sorts of pressure, couldn't match the speed, skill, strength of Phoenix. In a way Phoenix exposed Riga as an inferior club.

Both Carolina and Phoenix impressed the Russian fans and specialists with the way they played. Even in the loss Carolina showed very dynamic hockey, way more dynamic than KHL top teams show in majority of games. KHL teams should definitely use these games as good opportunity to learn and improve their game.
I have to apologize. Ii wasn't my intention to attack your opinion quite so harshly.

But you seem to overrate the meaningfulness of that game. It had none. Both teams were in pretty bad situation leading into this game. PHX had just crossed the ocean for the game but DR had just returned from exhaustive 4 game trip from Siberia. And both teams viewed this game as a skating practice/show for fans without any consequences.

But to describe DR's perfomance as disgraceful is very wrong in my eyes. First period was pretty close game and the difference was simple goal coming from bad line change at end of the period. PHX looked fresher from then on and looked the more dangerous team, but DR managed to equalize the score but slipped behind while playing with 4 men. DR didn't look very interested to go out all attack and search for equalizer once more and PHX continued to produce solid defensive hockey. In addition DR continued to get twice as many penalty minutes (3 minor ones in last ten minutes if I remember correctly) which killed any hopes of comeback and to top all that PHX scored the third goal. The game was good as over after that.

I'm sorry that you felt DR was "embarassing", but DR players had nothing really to prove to their fans as many of them played NHL pro's for the first time in their careers unlike SKA bunch which in eyes of NA fans are described as burnt out veterans looking for last paycheck. SKA players showed some unclassy moves in its meeting with Carolina which made game spicier than it should be so it looked very competative and meaningful.

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I have to apologize. Ii wasn't my intention to attack your opinion quite so harshly.

But you seem to overrate the meaningfulness of that game. It had none. Both teams were in pretty bad situation leading into this game. PHX had just crossed the ocean for the game but DR had just returned from exhaustive 4 game trip from Siberia. And both teams viewed this game as a skating practice/show for fans without any consequences.

But to describe DR's perfomance as disgraceful is very wrong in my eyes. First period was pretty close game and the difference was simple goal coming from bad line change at end of the period. PHX looked fresher from then on and looked the more dangerous team, but DR managed to equalize the score but slipped behind while playing with 4 men. DR didn't look very interested to go out all attack and search for equalizer once more and PHX continued to produce solid defensive hockey. In addition DR continued to get twice as many penalty minutes (3 minor ones in last ten minutes if I remember correctly) which killed any hopes of comeback and to top all that PHX scored the third goal. The game was good as over after that.

I'm sorry that you felt DR was "embarassing", but DR players had nothing really to prove to their fans as many of them played NHL pro's for the first time in their careers unlike SKA bunch which in eyes of NA fans are described as burnt out veterans looking for last paycheck. SKA players showed some unclassy moves in its meeting with Carolina which made game spicier than it should be so it looked very competative and meaningful.
It's fine.

I didn't mean to discuss the particular game by Dinamo but in my opinion you are trying to excuse Dinamo for their performance against Phoenix. Saying DR had nothing to prove in the game against an NHL club in front of the best hockey fans in the world, which may not happen for another 20 years? Are we talking the same hockey language? If what you say is true then DR players may have lack of pride for themselves and their fans.


I saw it different though - DR gave all they had, they worked really really hard in that game, they just couldn't put any pressure on their opponent. In terms of work output I have no issues with DR, what I have issues is the exposed lack of talent on DR roster with the selection oriented on hard working canadian jorneymen, below average speed, outdated tactics.

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I didn't mean to discuss the particular game by Dinamo but in my opinion you are trying to excuse Dinamo for their performance against Phoenix. Saying DR had nothing to prove in the game against an NHL club in front of the best hockey fans in the world, which may not happen for another 20 years? Are we talking the same hockey language? If what you say is true then DR players may have lack of pride for themselves and their fans.
You are probably right, but you simply can't play play-off hockey in an exhibition match against opposition which just wants to prepare
to long and hard season without getting unwanted injuries. If you try you end up with multiple brawls and NHL team will simply withdraw their best players which our fans came to see in first place.Both teams in Riga had a lot respect for each other to avoid things getting out of hand like in St.Petersburg.

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