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10-10-2010, 04:25 AM
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Does Winnie even Help this team?

I hate his value to this team..Hes just taking up a roster spot I would like to see goto someone that has potential to be a point producer..Butler,Hoffman,Locke...

Winnie does nothing good except board play..I'd rather shannon playing over him..get him off this team plz.

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10-10-2010, 08:52 AM
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4th line centres aren't point producers.

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10-10-2010, 09:03 AM
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4th line centres aren't point producers.
Why did we start him on the first line 2 years ago? Did management misjudge his talent.

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Why did we start him on the first line 2 years ago? Did management misjudge his talent.
Murray's probably friends with his dad. lol

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Why did we start him on the first line 2 years ago? Did management misjudge his talent.
wasn't it just preseason that he played with Heatley and Spezza?

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he is great at winning faceoffs.

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10-10-2010, 09:34 AM
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He's a 4th line centre. He's good along the boards, great on face-offs, good defensively and is starting to take on a PK role. The only other things he could possibly do to help this team would be to score and fight. But 4th line C's aren't expected to score and not everybody needs to fight.

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10-10-2010, 09:40 AM
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Does Winnie even Help this team?
Yes he does - and certainly more than the third-rate prospects you are suggesting he be replaced with.

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10-10-2010, 09:55 AM
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He's also one of the only guys on the team who has the ability to lay bone crushing hits. He plays his role as a forechecker very well against opposing defensemen.

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Some people shouldn't be allowed to post or create threads.

You can't have a team full of offensive players. What happens when you need to hold a lead? Kill a penalty? Win a key faceoff? Piss off someone on the other team? Generate some energy with a big hit? Kill time with a 45 second cycle game in the offensive zone?

Can Shannon, Butler, Hoffman or Locke do any of that? Nope.

Will Shannon, Butler, Hoffman or Locke generate that much more offence on the 4th line? Probably not enough to outweigh the defensive ability that Winchester has.

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10-10-2010, 11:10 AM
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he is great at winning faceoffs.
Bingo. We really need a faceoff specialist right now. If you can't win faceoffs and want to play a puck possession style game, you will fail.

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10-10-2010, 11:10 AM
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Winchester looked decent last night throwing his body around a little. Locke is like 5'9, Huffman is slow, and Butler could possibly get a call up, but overall this thread is filled with FAIL.

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He's a 4th line centre. He's good along the boards, great on face-offs, good defensively and is starting to take on a PK role. The only other things he could possibly do to help this team would be to score and fight. But 4th line C's aren't expected to score and not everybody needs to fight.
Trent and Harf have it right. I've watched most of Winchester's games during his career and aside from when he first entered the league and trying to find a role, he's been very reliable and you can count on him in almost every situation not to look out of place (to a certain degree).

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DOES Shannon help this team?

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10-10-2010, 12:35 PM
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The fourth line is not the problem with this team. Their job is to "break even" offensively and be physical, not lead the team in goals. There may be a goal producing 4th line out there somewhere, but I can't think of who it is.

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I think he helps. His boardwork is outstanding at times, and he plays well positionally.

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Yes he does - and certainly more than the third-rate prospects you are suggesting he be replaced with.
Is Butler really a third-rate prospect? I agree with you, Shannon is a plug, Locke and AHLer, Hoffman needing a lot of time in the AHL, but Butler seems to be a talented prospect with a future.

That said, he should not be playing on the fourth line. He doesn't play a fourth line game, which WInchester certainly does, and I'm far from a Winchester fan.

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DOES Shannon help this team?
First, this is not even relevant to the topic.

Second, he might. Anything might be better than what they have shown already. In the pure sense of the word, his "value" may be better than the multi-million dollar players who don't even get a SOG against the Leafs.

Not fair to mention his name or how helps or doesn't help with only 4 minutes of ice time. Obviously, CC does not think he can right now but from what I have seen, only one line (3 guys) and a goalie have done anything.

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10-10-2010, 12:48 PM
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With the way our 'top 6' has come out of playing, our role players are the very least of our worries. How does Milan Michalek help this team? Alex Kovalev? This shaky uninspired version of Daniel Alfredsson?

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Huffman is slow
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he is great at winning faceoffs.
Boom

remember against Buffalo at the end of the game when Fisher lost 4 strait and ottawa wasted 3 quarters of the powerplay.... Faceoffs are key, I like Winchester as a 4th line center plays his role is cheap competes.... Im down.

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I would love to see Winchester kill penalties instead of Alfredsson

- We can't allow Alfredsson to play 22 minutes a game anymore, he looks gased out by the third period and can't produce offensively because of it. As good as he is defensively, he is needed on the offensive side of the game more.

- Winchester is good on the faceoff, he's fearless, positionally sound, and can retrieve the puck along the boards on the PK

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10-10-2010, 01:14 PM
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Good at taking faceoffs, good physical player and great along the boards.

Yes he definitely helps the team considering he's a bottom 6 player.

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I like how this thread turned into a breakdown of Alfredsson's play for the season based on the first 2 games, which were horrible for the entire team. On many accounts Karlsson looked old an uninspired, he's 20.

Yes Winchester is valuable and yes he has more upside than he shows on a lot of nights. Face off wins are but one of his NHL quality abilities.

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10-10-2010, 05:31 PM
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Lmao. Extremely funny thread.

Winnie is extremely valuable to this team cause of 2 things he brings.

1)Grit
2)Defensive minded game.

Last night he was one of the only few players that i thought were-not good- but excellent.

If we didn't have Winnie he would be pushed around like ****s on the third line(Smith can't do it all)

I STILL say we need to bring up Bass instead of Shannon.

Smith-Winchester-Bass line would be totally ****ed to play against.

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