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10-10-2010, 02:31 PM
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10-10-2010, 02:32 PM
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So are we not getting anything for him?

Id take even a 7th over nothing
There's no market for goalies (proven by the over-saturation of it by goalies) and you can't just go around hoarding young goalies for the hell of it like this is NHL 10.

DW probably figures it's better to risk losing Greiss to waivers then to trade him for practically nothing (which a 7th is). If any team wanted to trade for him anyway.

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We have 4 goalies...

But ya the Flyers should pick him up.
Flyers are already set in goal. Have Boucher as backup, have Leighton on IR, have an extremely promising young goalie of their own that's already with the big club, and have a 30 year-old goalie in the AHL who is in a make-or-break year for him.

Flyers don't need Greiss.

Anyways, this could be seen a mile away as soon as DW signed three NHL goalies to the big club. Can't do that unless you plan on getting rid of one.

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Thrashers need to replace Pavelec. Atlanta gave SJ some guys and a 7th for considerations in an off-season move. Hope this is payback.
the Sharks don't need to pay them back. They did Atlanta a favor taking the salary dump so that the Thrashers could facilitate their trade with Chicago.

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Seems like a knee jerk reaction to me in the long term sense of things to waive Greiss.
Well, I was actually commenting on making a statement like that based on one game. But in regards to waiving Greiss now, his 550K cap hit will be worth more than 1.1mil by the trade deadline towards the number 4Dman almost all of us agree we need. So IMO, now is exactly the time to do it.

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Well, I was actually commenting on making a statement like that based on one game. But in regards to waiving Greiss now, his 550K cap hit will be worth more than 1.1mil by the trade deadline towards the number 4Dman almost all of us agree we need. So IMO, now is exactly the time to do it.
The gap between Greiss and Nitty doesn't seem large enough to justify this move imo.

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10-10-2010, 03:15 PM
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The gap between Greiss and Nitty doesn't seem large enough to justify this move imo.
That's an opinion I don't share and apparently neither does the org that has full access to both goalies. I'm good with that.

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Wouldn't surprise me if Chicago claimed him just to spite us.

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Yep, there is only one waivers leaving an NHL roster...
I was not sure of Griess contract status - that being 1 or 2 way, i'd also thought he was already assigned to the AHL previousely. This is what happens when one has a busy day job and loses track of what's going on with the roster.

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Poor Greiss... He was a loyal member of this team and now he just gets waived... hey could have at least played him for a period in Germany!

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I was not sure of Griess contract status - that being 1 or 2 way, i'd also thought he was already assigned to the AHL previousely. This is what happens when one has a busy day job and loses track of what's going on with the roster.
The only difference between a 1-way and 2-way contract is a two way contract spells out two different salaries for the NHL and AHL while a 1-way deal has the same salary in both...it plays no role in waivers going off an NHL roster.

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Management must not be satisfied as to Griess's potential or clealy he'd be on the NHL roster and not be on waivers.

Going back in to last season i had thought Nabber was not going to get all the games again and we'd see what Griess could have done. I recall come comments by TMac that Nabber was not calling his starts with a suggestion that less games to keep him fresh for the playoffs might be in store for the season. As this never happened one can speculate that; 1) management did not believe that Griess was ready for more games, 2) Griess's play failed to earn him the starts, or 3) all this was crap and they were going to ride the big cap hit goalie pony once again.

Moving forward to this past off season. I think the Neimi deal was not planned and presented an opportunity - it's hard to turn down a cup winning goalie with upside for 2m a season. I also think Stalock is coming to the NHL next season give he has a good AHL season. Both of these factors lead to Griess as being the odd man out at this time. Management believes that Neimi and or Stalock probably have more upside
than Griess.

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We all like Greiss, however this is like saying, DW should have (notice that I didn't say "should of") kept Ryan Vesce instead of signing Manny Malhotra because Vesce has done his time.
The fact of the matter is that, like with Malhotra, an opportunity arose, and DW took it.

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WTF DW? Is 1-2 years of a mediocre goalie tandem worth ditching a promising goalie prospect?
How many promising goalie prospects do you want to keep? All 27?

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I'm trying to defend Nitty, but I would have wanted Griess over Nitty any day. Griess showed promise in the games he was in and it's really sad the team never really gave him a fair chance. Now he's probably going to be picked up by a team and show his true potential. It will suck if he turns out to be a great goalie.

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We all like Greiss, however this is like saying, DW should have (notice that I didn't say "should of") kept Ryan Vesce instead of signing Manny Malhotra because Vesce has done his time.
The fact of the matter is that, like with Malhotra, an opportunity arose, and DW took it.
I'd have been for re-signing Vesce.

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10-10-2010, 04:00 PM
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Look right below my username...I agree with all 3 of you guys.
I'm changing my opinion.

Fire Wilson, don't resign Thornton... someone is a secret Ducks bandwagonner.

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We all like Greiss, however this is like saying, DW should have (notice that I didn't say "should of") kept Ryan Vesce instead of signing Manny Malhotra because Vesce has done his time.
The fact of the matter is that, like with Malhotra, an opportunity arose, and DW took it.
Except the difference between Malhotra and Vesce is way bigger than between Niitty/Niemi and Greiss.

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Fire Wilson, don't resign Thornton... someone is a secret Ducks bandwagonner.


Except the difference between Malhotra and Vesce is way bigger than between Niitty/Niemi and Greiss.
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Just a few quick thoughts from a newbie

As a newbie... I'm probably waaay off, but I think it's an unfortunate situation for Greiss but, really, I think the situation is because of how we frequently we played Nabby.

It's hard for anyone to get a read on how you would do at the NHL level, when you only get to play 16 games in one full year of being in the NHL (taking TSN's word for the number of games played - he may have come in in relief a few more times). So I wouldn't be too surprised if the offers that Wilson is getting really aren't that hot, if there are any at all.

Trading him is/was also probably a bit difficult because of the types of games we played him in. I don't recall him getting a whole lot of key starts, or even getting some of the semi keys that were back to backs. If I was a GM, I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable picking up a goalie that saw backup duty only 16 times in one year and wasn't always played in back to back situations. It would seem a bit like the team that currently had him didn't have confidence in him (I do think that was some of the problem... even I had my concerns when he was played sometimes).

As for playing him in Germany... I think it would have been really cool, but I can only imagine what would have happened if he got injured. It'd pretty much make him untouchable on the trade market and he might be in an even worse situation than he is now. Heck, if I was Greiss... I wouldn't know whether to beg to play in that situation, or beg not to.

It's an awful situation... but I'm not at all sure what you can do now to get out of it aside from what's been done.

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Well, I was actually commenting on making a statement like that based on one game. But in regards to waiving Greiss now, his 550K cap hit will be worth more than 1.1mil by the trade deadline towards the number 4Dman almost all of us agree we need. So IMO, now is exactly the time to do it.
I think it is more like 2 million. 2 mill+Huskins 1.7= 3.7 (pretty much any d-man we've realistically discussed not named Liles).

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Greiss has shown so much and has so much potential he couldn't:

-earn more starts last season
-keep management from signing two goalies this offseason
-earn the starting spot in camp
-earn the backup spot in camp
-show enough value to facilitate a trade
-get claimed off of waivers (pending)

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