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10-16-2010, 03:09 PM
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Didn't look good....shoulder lowered and skated right to the bench immediately knowing something wasn't right. I hope it just popped out and they were able to pop it back. A muscle tear could be bad news. Aaron Rome can "shoulder" the load of Ballard for a few weeks.
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10-16-2010, 04:26 PM
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botchford's twitter

"Keith Ballard has a "slight" concussion"

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10-16-2010, 04:28 PM
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"Keith Ballard has a "slight" concussion"
Concussion yikes
Mitchell all over again

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10-16-2010, 04:42 PM
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Concussion is the new black.

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Concussion yikes
Mitchell all over again
Concussions usually aren't as bad as Mitchell's, and Ballard doesn't have a history that I know of. I expect he'll be out about a week (just a guess, of course).

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10-16-2010, 04:58 PM
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Concussions usually aren't as bad as Mitchell's, and Ballard doesn't have a history that I know of. I expect he'll be out about a week (just a guess, of course).
This is HF. He just got his first concussion. He is now 'prone to concussions' and thus will have no value in any trade proposals anymore.


"What about Ballard, the Twins, and Burrows for Thomas Vanek?"

"Weeeeeeeeeeell, I like it, but put in Hamhuis instead of Ballard. He isn't injury prone."

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10-16-2010, 05:07 PM
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Well, now it's the dreaded "symptom free" game.

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10-16-2010, 05:43 PM
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Once you go concussion, you never go back.

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10-16-2010, 05:48 PM
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10-16-2010, 06:36 PM
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Is there something in the system the Canucks employ that allows their Dmen to get hit like Ballard did? It's not just Ballard, it's happened more than one would expect, to other dmen. Ehrhoff gets crunched . As does Edler, but he is bigger so it doesn't seem as bad.


One of the most durable, toughest Dmen in the league comes to the Canucks with hip surgery and proceeds to get concussed 4 games in??? ...Unreal. And it's his first concussion correct?

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To be honest I was more worried that his new hip was destroyed. If it's a slight concussion I guess it could be worse?

And nothing to worry about...Bieksa with more icetime, and a back-to-back in a few days, the second playing the Hawks...

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10-16-2010, 07:24 PM
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Relax. A page ago everyone was freaking out about Hamhuis, now it's Ballard. Just because the same term is used for an injury, doesn't mean that the extent of it is the same. (And three weeks ago everyone was freaking out about Luongo's groin.)


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10-16-2010, 07:28 PM
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Relax. A page ago everyone was freaking out about Hamhuis, now it's Ballard. Just becasause the same term is used for an injury, doesn't mean that the extent of it is the same. (And three weeks ago everyone was freaking out about Luongo's groin.)
It may not be something to be worried about, but concussions are nothing like groin pulls. And moreover, no concussion is "slight" at the time of its diagnosis. This term may be applied retroactively, but not at the time of diagnosis.

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This is HF. He just got his first concussion. He is now 'prone to concussions' and thus will have no value in any trade proposals anymore.


"What about Ballard, the Twins, and Burrows for Thomas Vanek?"

"Weeeeeeeeeeell, I like it, but put in Hamhuis instead of Ballard. He isn't injury prone."

Once you get a concussion, you're never in trade discussion.

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10-16-2010, 08:11 PM
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Is there something in the system the Canucks employ that allows their Dmen to get hit like Ballard did? It's not just Ballard, it's happened more than one would expect, to other dmen. Ehrhoff gets crunched . As does Edler, but he is bigger so it doesn't seem as bad.


One of the most durable, toughest Dmen in the league comes to the Canucks with hip surgery and proceeds to get concussed 4 games in??? ...Unreal. And it's his first concussion correct?
I believe the problem has a name...Rick Bowness.

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I believe the problem has a name...Rick Bowness.

Possibly. He does control the D. But I'm thinking it has more to do with how much the low forward supports the puck on a break out. If the retrieving D has two options, his partner D and the low forward, then he can make a quick pass before getting hit. The pass would allow him time to adjust for the fore-check. He can make a quick turn to slip the hit.

It's just weird seeing the D getting hit so hard, so consistently. Other teams mitigate this better.

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10-16-2010, 10:38 PM
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Vigneault has stated it is a "slight concussion" but set no time for Ballard's return. Vigneault has not exactly been Kreskin when dealing with injuries in the past.

"He's going to have to go through that whole thing there," Vigneualt said. "Start riding the bike. Once he's symptom free, is he all right? Then he does that neuro testing again. So, not sure when he'll be ready."
http://communities.canada.com/thepro...oncussion.aspx

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10-17-2010, 02:40 AM
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This is HF. He just got his first concussion. He is now 'prone to concussions' and thus will have no value in any trade proposals anymore.


"What about Ballard, the Twins, and Burrows for Thomas Vanek?"

"Weeeeeeeeeeell, I like it, but put in Hamhuis instead of Ballard. He isn't injury prone."
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10-17-2010, 02:43 AM
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Possibly. He does control the D. But I'm thinking it has more to do with how much the low forward supports the puck on a break out. If the retrieving D has two options, his partner D and the low forward, then he can make a quick pass before getting hit. The pass would allow him time to adjust for the fore-check. He can make a quick turn to slip the hit.

It's just weird seeing the D getting hit so hard, so consistently. Other teams mitigate this better.
I kind of think there's something to this as well. Last game I found myself thinking "damn, our d are getting abused back there, someone is going to get hurt." Lo and behold Ballard got rocked. I'm not sure what it is exactly, as I haven't really noticed it before, but something to think about anyways....

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10-17-2010, 03:23 AM
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fire roger takashi. rehire peter twist, i remembered with him as the strength and conditioning coach, the players rarely got hurt... the past few years van has always been decimated with injuries.

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10-17-2010, 10:31 AM
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fire roger takashi. rehire peter twist, i remembered with him as the strength and conditioning coach, the players rarely got hurt... the past few years van has always been decimated with injuries.
What does getting a concussion have to do with training!

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10-17-2010, 11:32 AM
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fire roger takashi. rehire peter twist, i remembered with him as the strength and conditioning coach, the players rarely got hurt... the past few years van has always been decimated with injuries.
I would think it has more to do with our playing style. A fly-highing offense will leave guys more open to hits than a stifling defense.

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And moreover, no concussion is "slight" at the time of its diagnosis. This term may be applied retroactively, but not at the time of diagnosis.
I'm not buying this. There are a range of symptoms that can have a range of severity, and you can diagnose accordingly. Of course, you have to treat all concussions as though they are severe for the first 24 hours or so, and maybe that's what you're getting at.

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Once you go concussion, you never go back.
Does that mean Mitchell is MJ now?

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Aaron Rodgers got a concussion and was only out a week.. it is possible to be back quickly. Everyone reacts differently to concussions and they subsequently get worse the more you have.

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Yup, concussions are very unpredictable. And for all those that say the hit doesn't look bad, just look at Justin Morneau. Relatively innocent play and he was knocked out the rest of the year because of a concussion. Not saying that's the case for Ballard but you just never know. I do worry when it comes to concussion because it can have such a wide range of outcomes. It's not like a regular injury where you have a time frame that's usually pretty accurate. It's all up to your body to tell you when you are ready to go.

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