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Better year: Leddy or Barker?

View Poll Results: Who has a better NHL season?
Nick Leddy (CHI) 13 41.94%
Cam Barker (MIN) 18 58.06%
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10-13-2010, 07:28 PM
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Maybe not

If Leddy continues to play well then it is very possible Jordan Hendry is waived and Leddy ends up our #5 for rest of season

I actually think that is what is gonna happen.
battle of the #5 defensemen, then. Barker's looked better to me this (very) young season so hopefully he can change. If Foster can have a year like he did in Tampa I don't see why Barker can't do it--key would be to put in the effort that Foster obviously did. Honestly I'd consider it a success if we could turn him into either or an offensive or defensive defenseman. Last year he was neither. That's "neither"as opposed to "both". As a #5 defenseman right now I'd be content if he could figure out how to be effective in either of the zones. That's all i ask.

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10-15-2010, 08:02 PM
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I have two more thoughts on just Barker.

#1. After Barker's current contract is up he is still an RFA. Maybe Fletch was thinking that if Burns doesn't re-sign and Zidlicky doesn't (this was before he did) that he had another NHL ready defenseman to fall back on.

#2. I still believe Fletch has an eye for talent. We heard after he was initially signed that he was the person that was really big on Corey Perry and suggested to trade up in the draft to get him. His train of thought might have been, he saw something in Barker like he did in Gui: a change of scenery and more ice-time might make them reach their potential.

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10-17-2010, 01:34 AM
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I have two more thoughts on just Barker.

#1. After Barker's current contract is up he is still an RFA. Maybe Fletch was thinking that if Burns doesn't re-sign and Zidlicky doesn't (this was before he did) that he had another NHL ready defenseman to fall back on.

#2. I still believe Fletch has an eye for talent. We heard after he was initially signed that he was the person that was really big on Corey Perry and suggested to trade up in the draft to get him. His train of thought might have been, he saw something in Barker like he did in Gui: a change of scenery and more ice-time might make them reach their potential.
What is Barker's avg ice time?

Game from tonight I saw he only had 13 minutes and was -2 with a penalty

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Well you can forget about this thread

Leddy sent down to AHL for no reason

Cullimore and Scott apparantly falling all over ice and playing like #### is what Hawks want from our defense

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10-17-2010, 02:01 PM
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Well you can forget about this thread

Leddy sent down to AHL for no reason

Cullimore and Scott apparantly falling all over ice and playing like #### is what Hawks want from our defense
Scott over Leddy? I haven't seen Leddy play this year but he HAS to be better than John Scott.

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Scott over Leddy? I haven't seen Leddy play this year but he HAS to be better than John Scott.
if you want your team to get run every night,then sure. Leddy would be awesome.

he wasn't ready--it really shouldn't surprise anyone.


and i guess we have the answer to the topic, yes?

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Well you can forget about this thread

Leddy sent down to AHL for no reason

Cullimore and Scott apparantly falling all over ice and playing like #### is what Hawks want from our defense
Defensive presence is the name of the game my friend. Scott can hit a lot harder and win the board battles a lot better than a very undersized Leddy can. Leddy was brought in to compliment a Top-4 pairing, not Bottom-2

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Defensive presence is the name of the game my friend. Scott can hit a lot harder and win the board battles a lot better than a very undersized Leddy can. Leddy was brought in to compliment a Top-4 pairing, not Bottom-2
No. Scott can't win the board battles because he can't be used for more than five minutes a game with any degree of safety because he is a grotesque liability on the ice.

Using Scott at defense is one of Quenneville's growing list of mistakes this season, but not one the Hawks fans haven't seen before *coughMattWalkercough*.

Leddy should have stayed up, whether through Scott being a fourth line goon instead of on defense, or in favor of Jassen Cullisuck, one of the worst players to ever put on a Hawk uniform.

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Scott as the 4th line goon is even worse than him on D, FYI.

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and i guess we have the answer to the topic, yes?
For now we do. But if Barker continues to play like he did last night, maybe Leddy's AHL season will be more beneficial to his team.

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Scott as the 4th line goon is even worse than him on D, FYI.
Not possible.

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For now we do. But if Barker continues to play like he did last night, maybe Leddy's AHL season will be more beneficial to his team.
spin it the other way then and say Leddy helps out chicago more by not being there and that = "better year"


you know, addition by subtraction.


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Not possible.
Oh, yes it is...

John Scott was tried as the fourth line goon by three coaches. Jacques Lemaire, Kevin Constantine and Todd Richards. He was a bigger liability on the ice than Boogaard as a forward.

You might think it's a mistake for Coach Q to not put him there, but it's the right decision. He makes far fewer mistakes as a defensive pylon than he does as a goon forward.

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He was an okay defenseman at times for us last year. At other times he'd be lost.

Barker's looked better this year, although on the PK or under pressure, he still seems to miss his man out front.

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Scott is horrendous at both D and forward

He is a joke ,,,,,,, Bowman screwed up signing him to a 2 year deal (Let alone signing him at all)

But at time we looked like we were going to be at mercy of cap but then events happened that made our cap situation more managable

I am hopeful at somepoint Scott is waived and sent to Rockford and Ivan Vishnevskiy finds his way up to Hawks

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Told you, although now that you mention it why was Leddy playing instead of Vishnevskly? I figured he would be up first.

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Scott's not terri-bad. Not like Marc Andre-Bergeron bad.

He is at least good positionally, but he has to be because he can't skate. At least he clears the crease well, which is the ONLY thing he did with the Aeros or the Wild. There were a couple of games last year where he laid Franzen out. That's something the Wild aren't doing at all this year. Zanon, Zidlicky, Barker, Burns, Schultz all SUCK at clearing that crease.

Falk is the only D we have that does it with consistency...

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Scott is horrendous at both D and forward

He is a joke ,,,,,,, Bowman screwed up signing him to a 2 year deal (Let alone signing him at all)

But at time we looked like we were going to be at mercy of cap but then events happened that made our cap situation more managable

I am hopeful at somepoint Scott is waived and sent to Rockford and Ivan Vishnevskiy finds his way up to Hawks


We dont need to have a young guy on the bottom pair. What should happen is;

When Healthy

Keith-Seabs
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Scott

Call ups when needed

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Scott's not terri-bad. Not like Marc Andre-Bergeron bad.

He is at least good positionally, but he has to be because he can't skate. At least he clears the crease well, which is the ONLY thing he did with the Aeros or the Wild. There were a couple of games last year where he laid Franzen out. That's something the Wild aren't doing at all this year. Zanon, Zidlicky, Barker, Burns, Schultz all SUCK at clearing that crease.

Falk is the only D we have that does it with consistency...
He is a Simple Hockey Player

He wont kill you on the bottom pair, but when BWC hates someone, look out...

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Chicago board is that way fellas...

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You know what's funny?

Blackhawks fans realize that Scott is a terrible hockey player. These fans are the ones that just one the stanely cup. They expect to be good. They see the bad.

For the past two seasons, after being conformed to losing, we've all thought Scott was a perfectly acceptable d-man. Funny how losing really makes you lose perspective on what it means to be on top.

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For the past two seasons, after being conformed to losing, we've all thought Scott was a perfectly acceptable d-man.


Scott fits the bill as a plug who can goon it up if need be. But there was never a time where anyone here was saying he was a perfectly acceptable defenseman.

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Speak for yourself, please.

I've always thought Scott was a pylon, before his first call-up to the Wild.

He's a pylon that can clear the crease. He's so big, that his lack of skating is offset by the length of his legs, meaning, he can keep up with mid-tier skaters, but gets smoked by acceleration. His stride keeps him with people.

There are worse defensemen getting paid by NHL clubs than John Scott. Hell, one of them went to the ECF last season.

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I thought he was at times a decent 3rd pairing guy. There were games he kept it simple, was physical in his end, and cleared the net. Like what I see from Falk at times.

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