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10-11-2010, 06:35 PM
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sheldon souray

i know hes in the minors but what kind of contract does he have and do you think he could help the blues on the power play. i think the blues could pick him up for nearly nothing thanks

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10-11-2010, 06:42 PM
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I think picking up Souray is a bad idea. He's proven in the past that he's injury prone. Not to mention the fact that we don't even have room for guys like Nikitin, Cole, and Strachan on our top 6. With 1 dman on the powerplay typically, you think Souray would be the best choice? No way.

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10-11-2010, 07:02 PM
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well he does have a hell of shot from the point and the blues have struggled on the power play so if the moneys right i think he could help

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10-11-2010, 07:03 PM
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1. He has an albatross of a contract for two more years.
2. We have Petro and EJ, plus Steen and several other players who are good on the point.
3. We have a logjam of defensemen already.

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10-11-2010, 07:07 PM
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If it is December and The Blues are still not having PP success, then I would MAYBE think of bringing on a PP point specialist. But who? Not Souray.

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10-11-2010, 07:21 PM
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The Blues' problems on the powerplay aren't the point men.

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I'm not sure if I want to jump on the wagon in saying that the Blues have powerplay issues. We've played 2 games and had a total of 17 shots on the powerplay today. If there's a problem, it will cost us some games. We'll see.

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10-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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The powerplay didn't look bad. The puck was moving and we got a lot of shots. They just didn't go in. EJ and Steen were firing bullets. So I wouldn't say that we need a pointman really.

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The biggest problem with the Blues PP, IMO, is their fixation on getting the puck TO the pointment...not the pointment themselves. It's almost like nobody else on the unit is willing to take a shot or attempt to make a play because all they can think about is feeding Steen or Johnson so they can pull the trigger.

PK units pick up on that, and can counter it fairly simply by overplaying the shooting lanes (or clearing them, but the Ducks were overplaying) and/or extending the top of the PK box to pressure the points. In 9:12 of PP time, Boyes had exactly 1(!) one timer opportunity from the left circle. That's borderline stupid. The point should not be the primary (much less only) option on the PP...especially if your point shots are all coming from the blueline. It's just a weapon that a good PP has at its disposal if the defensive box is smothering all the action in the middle of the ice from the circles on down (i.e., the prime scoring areas). The Ducks left that area exposed multiple times, but the Blues rarely attempted to attack it with cross ice passes, timing plays, or motion. Most of the Blues PP time was spent cycling the puck in the space between the top of the circles and the blueline trying to shake free a point shot. That wouldn't be so bad if they were great at screening the goalie (they aren't), or if they consistently crashed the middle for rebounds (they don't), but usually they're just standing flatfooted near the shooting lane trying for a tip. That's just not a high percentage play.

The Blues like to turn themselves into a one trick pony on the PP, but the have the talent to do so much more. Frankly, Pietrangelo has been our best pointman at creating PP opportunities below the tops of the circles. Steen and Johnson seemed to be focused on simply setting up each other for shots. Sometimes that's good, when it's what the defense is giving you. Against the Blues, that's rarely the case.

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Rumour is that if Edmonton tries to bring him back up through waivers (and no team should be dumb enough to trade for him before this is done if they want him up playing with their team this season) the Islanders will claim him at half price.

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10-11-2010, 09:09 PM
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The Blues' problems on the powerplay aren't the point men.
I kind of disagree in that passes from the point were often not good enough.

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10-11-2010, 09:20 PM
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Powerplay looks great, and the use of the point men has looked awesome. The problem is it seems none of their shots are getting through. That's where I'd like that huge, heavy, booming shot of Souray back there. I'd much rather see his shot on the PP than Coliacovo's.

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I don't want another defenseman who is going to take ice time from EJ and Pietro. The Blues just need to continue to develop them, and that's going to come by allowing them the ice time on the PP.

Steen does a good job up there. Pietro actually was getting his shot through pretty well.

Bringing in Souray would send the wrong message....and he's not a guy that will be part of the core moving forward, so you'll have the same problem to solve. I'd much rather find out whether EJ is going to be that guy. I suspect he is.

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... and you would give up who for him? I really doubt they take a salary dump considering how they already treated the guy. Others have already said why we don't need him.

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Just playing devil's advocate here...

-If his head is right, Souray is a very good player.
-He could be brought on and make a player like Brewer expendable, not taking ice away from the kids.
-He could be had very cheap, in terms of compensation, although he is due 9 mil with a cap hit of 5.4mil for this year and next.
-He is one of the toughest hombres in the NHL. He would provide added toughness and protect the youngsters.
-A change of scenery could mean the world for Souray. In his last 4 years, he's played 2 full seasons and 2 injury riddled seasons. In the 2 full seasons, he contributed 64 pts in 06-07 and 53pts in 08-09.
-His bad attitude may be due to playing in Edmonton, which is not a desirable location. Pronger asked to be traded away after a Finals year, and Heatley rejected to be traded there.

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No interest in Souray at all, and Brewer has played pretty solid so far so I see no reason to move him and be stuck under an even larger cap hit for another year.

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Just say NO!

Souray is HORRIBLE defensively

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I didn't address it directly in my first post but I have no interest in seeing Souray on this current team. Unless we get a rash of injuries, and you'd pretty much have to take out EJ, Polak, Jackman, Cola and Brewer for me to even want to consider it with the kids we have in Peoria, no interest but I say that he would get claimed on re-entry waivers before he clears re-entry waivers to the point is moot.

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I didn't address it directly in my first post but I have no interest in seeing Souray on this current team. Unless we get a rash of injuries, and you'd pretty much have to take out EJ, Polak, Jackman, Cola and Brewer for me to even want to consider it with the kids we have in Peoria, no interest but I say that he would get claimed on re-entry waivers before he clears re-entry waivers to the point is moot.
Agreed. Even if we do get hit with injuries, I'd rather see Cole and Nikitin fill in instead of picking up Souray.

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Just playing devil's advocate here...

-If his head is right, Souray is a very good player. True, but he isn't very good in his own end at all.
-He could be brought on and make a player like Brewer expendable, not taking ice away from the kids. Brewer outplays him in the Dzone and makes less gaffs. Plus Brewer did pot 9 goals last year and has a good shot. Finally, we have Cola, EJ, and AP on the point already, we would be taking time from a younger guy to give it too him.
-He could be had very cheap, in terms of compensation, although he is due 9 mil with a cap hit of 5.4mil for this year and next. I don't want his cap hit. He is being paid like a number 2 dman and is more of a 2nd pairing guy. Other dmen on the team would want a simular contract if they outplay him and are due for a contract. This is what has killed the Blackhawks. You look at Campbell and his contract and now Seabrook may want simular dollars.
-He is one of the toughest hombres in the NHL. He would provide added toughness and protect the youngsters. Brewer has stepped up to fight on more then one occasion when someone took a liberty with a team mate.
-A change of scenery could mean the world for Souray. In his last 4 years, he's played 2 full seasons and 2 injury riddled seasons. In the 2 full seasons, he contributed 64 pts in 06-07 and 53pts in 08-09. I would think we will get simular production from EJ and AP. He wouldn't add 64 points to the team, but likely take them away from another dman.
-His bad attitude may be due to playing in Edmonton, which is not a desirable location. Pronger asked to be traded away after a Finals year, and Heatley rejected to be traded there. This i likely very true.
See bold. I like that you are playing devel's advocate and you make some good points, but I disagree and that is why the rebutal.

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Agreed. Even if we do get hit with injuries, I'd rather see Cole and Nikitin fill in instead of picking up Souray.
This is my thought as well. Souray is not the player he once was. He's a liability on defence. He still has a good shot. But that's the only good quality he has left. Cole would help The Blues a lot more. Even Nikitin would be a better all-around player now.

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See bold. I like that you are playing devel's advocate and you make some good points, but I disagree and that is why the rebutal.
For the record, I don't think Souray would be a good fit for the Blues.

Next year, EJ, Cole and AP will make up half the d spots on the team. There are plenty of teams in the league that would love a stable of young d-men like the Blues have.

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For the record, I don't think Souray would be a good fit for the Blues.

Next year, EJ, Cole and AP will make up half the d spots on the team. There are plenty of teams in the league that would love a stable of young d-men like the Blues have.
Agreed! EJ, Cole, Pietro, Polak, Jackman and Cola make an excellent top 6. Polak, however, becomes a RFA after this season. The rest are signed for, at least, the next two seasons.

Keep comin' around Friday. You'll get to know the team and prospects in no time.

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