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06-09-2004, 12:00 PM
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what will become of the Stanley Cup?

If there is a lock out or strike and the NHL folds

what will become of the Stanley Cup?

Will the Governor General of Canada decide what will become of our cup or will Bettman the nhl president decide?

What do you think?

Can a profesional hockey league have a championship that doesnt get presentedwith the historic stanley cup?

Thta seems totally wrong
but as the game becomes less Canadian I can see that happening

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If there is a lock out or strike and the NHL folds

what will become of the Stanley Cup?

Will the Governor General of Canada decide what will become of our cup or will Bettman the nhl president decide?

What do you think?

Can a profesional hockey league have a championship that doesnt get presentedwith the historic stanley cup?

Thta seems totally wrong
but as the game becomes less Canadian I can see that happening
If the NHL folds I could see Phil Pritcher melting the cup down and making some bling bling wear out of it. Look for it on ebay soon...

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I'll buy that sumb*tch off of ebay and make it into a gravity bong...

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Hall of fame ?

Not sure you have to worry about the NHL folding, but I would guess it would go to the Hockey Hall of Fame if something like that ever happened.

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one serious answer so far any more?

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Stanley Cup was originally a Challenge Cup: anyone, anywhere. Now that was within Canada to start with, then North America. After it was adopted by the NHL no-one again ever challenged for it.

Wonder what would happen if a Slovak or Finnish Team (for example) challenged Tampa Bay for it tomorrow? According to the "Rules" it would have to happen if it was a regular team (as opposed to an all-star team). Interesting.

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I think they will get a new labor agreement that is better than the one that ends on Sept. 15. If anyone strikes its going to be the NHLPA. But I don't know.

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Should the league fold and re-form under some new name, the Stanley Cup will remain th ultimate prize. The Cup was awarded to championship teams prior to the NHL's inception. It is not strictly the property of the NHL.

No worries there.

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Stanley Cup was originally a Challenge Cup: anyone, anywhere. Now that was within Canada to start with, then North America. After it was adopted by the NHL no-one again ever challenged for it.

Wonder what would happen if a Slovak or Finnish Team (for example) challenged Tampa Bay for it tomorrow? According to the "Rules" it would have to happen if it was a regular team (as opposed to an all-star team). Interesting.
If the challenger won, I guess an NHL team would have to win it back in time for the playoffs. That would be really interesting and kinda cool if that happened. It would make life really interesting.... anyone can challenge, anywhere. The Champs would be really busy.

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After the NHL finally folds in a year or two because the two sides can't agree on anything...the cup will just go over to the WHA.

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if the nhl folds, it will be because the top 12 to 16 teams will withdraw from the nhl
and form a new league. if the nhl goes, the leafs, wings, habs and so forth with continue and the stanley cup will go with them.

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if the nhl folds, it will be because the top 12 to 16 teams will withdraw from the nhl
and form a new league. if the nhl goes, the leafs, wings, habs and so forth with continue and the stanley cup will go with them.
I don't know about that. If any team (or teams) decides to leave the NHL, I don't think that they will be able to take the cup without the majority of teams agreeing to that. As far as I know, and someone with more intimate hockey knowledge can correct me, the Stanley Cup is the property of the NHL. If the top teams do decide to leave and form their own league, I can see the rest of the teams holding on to it just to spite the top teams. Unless the league unanimously agrees to dissolve, the cup should be staying with whatever teams remain in the NHL.

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Does the Canadian government in any way even have any rights with the Stanley Cup as far as ownership goes?

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Well if I try really hard to imagine the league folding, the owner of the Cup might become an interesting court case. There was a show on this awhile ago, and they were suggesting that the NHL had assumed possesion, but that it might be debateable that they legally have possession. What would they do with the Hall of Fame too?

If there is a lockout and the WHA is playing in February, I think the winner should get the Stanley Cup, as that would of been the original intentions.

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Does the Canadian government in any way even have any rights with the Stanley Cup as far as ownership goes?
Maybe only the original cup without the base added which the NHL probably has the rights to. They (NHL)probably have advertising/commercial rights to that shape. They (NHL again) should lose all rights to the original if they fail to get their "act" together come spring 2005 and we can all challenge for "LORD STANLEY'S AULD MUG" complete with similar but slightly different base so we don't get sued.

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If the NHL dissolves, could Canada have a claim to it?
The Provincial Government in the recent past has stopped a major auction house from peddling off some hockey item of historical significance (I think Richard jerseys and awards). I think they got them to stay in Canada and some items had to go to local museums, not sure how it ended up.
Does Tampa keep the Cup until the strike is resolved (ie: players cave)? Even if it takes 2 years or does it go to the HHOF in T.O. at some point?

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and the NHL folds
Not gonna happen, moot point.

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Not gonna happen, moot point.
Agreed.

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The Stanley Cup is officially controlled by its two trustees, Brian O'Neill and Scotty Morrison. The trustees, though, have effectively handed over control of the Cup to the NHL. It's not the NHL's property in legal terms, but good luck to anyone trying to get it away from the league, especially considering both trustees are NHL men - the former VP and referee-in-chief, respectively.

The Canadian government has no claim whatsoever to it, as it was bought and donated by Lord Stanley. If anybody besides the NHL and trustees have a claim to it, it's probably his successor, Edward Richard William Stanley, the 19th Earl of Derby (and, among other titles, Baron Stanley.) But that'd require an examination of the terms of the original transfer of the Cup to the trustees - if the Earl wanted to dissolve the trust, I'm not sure if he could or not.

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I think the governor general can call the cup back

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I guess others are wondering what will happen to the cup also...


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We can think of a couple dozen junior teams, several hundred colleges and universities in the U.S. and Canada, and about a thousand beer leagues from Yellowknife to Cornerbrook, and every nook and Kenora in between, who'd love the challenge. The Stanley Cup going back to its amateur roots: Imagine the excitement. Imagine what Reality TV could do with it.

Now that would be something eh. If the NHL isnt going to be challenging for Cup next year ....

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I don't think the NHL will fold... if anything it would prolly lose a buncha teams... and consolidate a little.

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Anyone have any idea who the trustees of the cup would be?

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one serious answer so far any more?
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