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10-14-2010, 08:07 PM
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Rask, Krejci, Bergeron, Horton, Seguin, Boychuk, Campbell, Stuart, Boychuk, Hunwick, Paille, Lucic, Wheeler as players that are pretty young, albeit including stiffs like Paille and Hunwick...

Plus some pretty solid prospects. Not the best prospect pool, but an overall young and solid team.

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10-14-2010, 08:25 PM
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Caps won't be able to afford those players in future considering what they have now.
And you can't keep younger players down on the farm forever, will seek out free agency.
Kuznetsov, Galiev, and Orlov are all 2 years away, Eakin is one, and to top it all off, you're looking at a team that has some heavy contracts (Steckel, Erskine, Knuble, Semin, Green, etc) all expiring before more than two or three of the players listed above ask for the kind of pay raise that would price them out of the Capitals market, and that's just assuming that they don't take a cut (like Backstrom did, and the team has been talking about for the future) to stick in an area that clearly has the potential to be a big contender for the next decade, with one of the biggest stars in the world leading the attack.

Put quite simply, you don't know what you're talking about.

EDIT: Unless you'd like to go out on a limb and say that flashy, showboating Alzner is going to command 5m+, and that every prospect listed in the post you quoted will go on to be the kind of 100 point talents that all demand 6m+ salaries, I'm going to go ahead and say they're as safe as anyone, and probably safer than most, in the cap world. Bear in mind that in addition to those expiring contracts, they're also coming in under the cap this season by an amount not to be overlooked, over 3 million.

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10-14-2010, 09:14 PM
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Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago are the top 3. With the players they have they will be a contender every year for the foreseeable future.

Second tier i would have Philly, LA, Colorado, Tampa, Boston

Third tier i would have Edmonton, NYI (these 2 have huge potential though)

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10-14-2010, 09:22 PM
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Should be a team with young stars who have already had some substantial success, plus some solid prospects in the pipeline.

Washington, Chicago, and Pittsburgh with LA bringing up the rear.

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10-14-2010, 09:39 PM
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Pittsburgh has Crosby, Staal, and Malkin and I could see Goligoski becoming a number 1 D-man offensively.

Washington has Ovechkin, Backstrom and Green.

None of these guys are over 25

Chicago also has Toews, Kane and Keith (he is 27, easily the oldest of the bunch)

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10-14-2010, 09:53 PM
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Since this has basically turned into name your best prospects thread, I'll have to throw out the Canes since I think they have a top 10 prospect group and some other talented young players on the roster now.

Sutter
McBain
Skinner
Boychuk
Dalpe
Bowman
Dumoulin
Sanguinetti
R. Nash
Osala
Faulk
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Biega
Shugg
C. Terry

The Canes have quietly (as evidenced by no mentions in this thread) built up a good prospect pool from basically scratch. The year we won the Cup our prospect board was absolutely garbage.

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10-14-2010, 11:34 PM
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Caps have

Ovechkin(25)-Backstrom(23)-Fehr-(25)
*Kuznetsov*(18)-Johansson(20)-*Galiev*(18)
-*Eakin*(19)-

Green(25)-Schultz(24)
Carlson(20)-Alzner(22)
*Orlov*(19)

Varlamoav(22)
Neuvirth(22)
*Holtby*(21)

Caps are very well balanced with youth on the roster, and quality prospects

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10-14-2010, 11:38 PM
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Caps have

Ovechkin(25)-Backstrom(23)-Fehr-(25)
*Kuznetsov*(18)-Johansson(20)-*Galiev*(18)
-*Eakin*(19)-

Green(25)-Schultz(24)
Carlson(20)-Alzner(22)
*Orlov*(19)

Varlamoav(22)
Neuvirth(22)
*Holtby*(21)

Caps are very well balanced with youth on the roster, and quality prospects
Washington for sure.
Semin imo should also count as he's only 26.
Very good core.

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10-14-2010, 11:48 PM
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Edmonton has great prospects and has a bright future for sure, assuming guys like Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi and other good prospects develop well i'd we're still missing 3 things to become a stanley cup contender

#1- a clearcut #1 defenseman for the future. whitney, gilbert, smid and hopefully guys like Plante/Petry are/can be solid top 4 guys but we don't have that number 1 yet. Hopefully we can draft an adam larsson or david Musil who will eventually become that guy

#2- A long term term solution in net. Khabi has been great so far but he is 37 with a history of back problems so we can't pin our hopes on him. Olivier Roy is a solid goaltending prospect but it is too early to tell if he can develop into a number 1 guy. I was hoping the oilders would of grabbed Niemi this offseason and leave JDD/DD in the ahl

#3- A top 6 center. This one is probably the most controversial. I don't believe Gagner has what it takes to be the number 1 guy that takes you to the promise land(yes i know he's 21) Im hoping Hall can make the transition to center because he has the ability to be a franchise forward. Other than that, Gagner can become a very good #2 center so i believe another strong #2 center will be good enough because of our depth on the wings. Other options could be moving Brule back to center. I think Tyler Pitlick has what it takes to be future number 2 but that won't be for a while and he has a lot of developing to do. He is the perfect player we need, a gritty shut down center that can put up points(think Ryan Kesler). I know its optimistic but from the limited viewings of what i've seen i absolutely love his game

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10-14-2010, 11:50 PM
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Since this has basically turned into name your best prospects thread, I'll have to throw out the Canes since I think they have a top 10 prospect group and some other talented young players on the roster now.

The Canes have quietly (as evidenced by no mentions in this thread) built up a good prospect pool from basically scratch. The year we won the Cup our prospect board was absolutely garbage.
as i remember it wasnt too long ago they were last or second last in HF's prospect rankings, they have done quite a bit and agree their prospects are underated and can support the core of Staal, Gleason, Pitkinan, ward etc.

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10-15-2010, 12:26 AM
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The Leafs are definitely up there, every hockey analyst would agree. Not top 3, I think Washington, Edmonton, and LA Kings have brighter futures on paper.

But just because your best players aren't all 18 or 19, doesn't mean they're old and washed up and won't keep improving. Kessel is only 23, Schenn is 20, Bozak is 24, Versteeg is 24, Kulemin is 24. Then you have Kadri who should be an impact player when he makes the NHL that only just turned 20, and several other good prospects in the organization, including Jerry D'amigo, Brad Ross and Greg McKegg... who could end up being the steal of this year's draft.

People on HF seem to have this obsession with very young rookies around 18 or 19 trumping all else. In reality, players who have NHL experience and are still improving at the age of 20-24 are more valuable then a guy who is 18 or 19 and "could be" that good.

Same goes for guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, Toews, Stamkos. You can hype up your Eberle, Hall, Paajrvi, Skinner etc. all you want, but the top guys in the league are still under 25 and improving, so who's to say their team's don't have bright futures either?

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10-15-2010, 02:22 AM
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Bright Futures...imo:
KINGS (Doughty, Kopitar, Brown, B.Schenn, Simmonds,etc)
OILERS (Eberle, Hall, etc)
HAWKS (Keith, Toews, Kane,etc)
CAPITALS (Backstrom, Carlson, Varlamov, Neuvirth, Alzner, etc)
BRUINS (Rask, Seguin, etc)
ISLANDERS...in 2-3-4 years (ex: watch them get Couturier in '11 Draft and 2-3 more top 3 picks overall in the next 2-3-4 years (they'll become the new Pens...years and years of losing/bad luck and next thing...slowly winning again/good luck!).


HABS/CANADIENS...are maybe in top 8? (for brightest future) :
Carey Price (23)
PK Subban (21)
Lars Eller (21)
Louis Leblanc (19)
Jarred Tinordi (18)
Danny Kristo (20)

(Pyatt, White, Palushaj, Avtsin, Maxwell, and defensemen...Bennett, Weber, Carle).


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10-15-2010, 07:51 AM
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HABS/CANADIENS...are maybe in top 8? (for brightest future) :
Carey Price (23)
PK Subban (21)
Lars Eller (21)
Louis Leblanc (19)
Jarred Tinordi (18)
Danny Kristo (20)

(Pyatt, White, Palushaj, Avtsin, Maxwell, and defensemen...Bennett, Weber, Carle).
Enh, that's pushing it. Habs have a good team they've put together, but their youth as a group isn't really anything remarkable (though I really like Subban and still think Price will be a great one).

Randomly thumbing through teams in a pool yearbook, you'd be just as likely to find a more impressive under-25 collection as not.

Here, I just did:

Tampa Bay. Stamkos, Downie, Hedman, Connolly, Tokarski, Ashton, Tyrell.

Phoenix. Wolski, Hanzal, Boedker, Turris, MacLean, Yandle, OEL, Gormley, Goncharov

Nashville. Radulov, Hornquist, Wilson, Suter, Weber, Franson, Pickard, Ellis, Watson, Blum

etc.


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You could say Pittsburgh, Washington, Chicago a few years ago, but now you could consider
West: Los Angeles, St.Louis
East: New York Islanders, Florida

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10-15-2010, 08:41 AM
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East: Washington, Pittsburgh and NJ Devils

West: Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles

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Caps have

Ovechkin(25)-Backstrom(23)-Fehr-(25)
*Kuznetsov*(18)-Johansson(20)-*Galiev*(18)
-*Eakin*(19)-

Green(25)-Schultz(24)
Carlson(20)-Alzner(22)
*Orlov*(19)

Varlamoav(22)
Neuvirth(22)
*Holtby*(21)

Caps are very well balanced with youth on the roster, and quality prospects


Caps heavily overloaded with Russian prospects and players. Some of them could end up taking a detour away from NHL for the KHL in the future, no guarantees.

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10-15-2010, 09:02 AM
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That barely noone say that Panthers is crazy.

G: Markström, Cheverie, Salak, Plate
D: Ellerby, Robak, Gudbransson, Petrovic, Comrie
F: Bjugstad, Howden, McFarland, Shore, Wilson, Dadanov, Timmins, Jenks, Repik


Thats atleast a top5 prospectpool, together with Nashville, LA, Pheonix and Edmonton. Nashville has probably the best prospectpool in the league.

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10-15-2010, 09:31 AM
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The Leafs are definitely up there, every hockey analyst would agree. Not top 3, I think Washington, Edmonton, and LA Kings have brighter futures on paper.

But just because your best players aren't all 18 or 19, doesn't mean they're old and washed up and won't keep improving. Kessel is only 23, Schenn is 20, Bozak is 24, Versteeg is 24, Kulemin is 24. Then you have Kadri who should be an impact player when he makes the NHL that only just turned 20, and several other good prospects in the organization, including Jerry D'amigo, Brad Ross and Greg McKegg... who could end up being the steal of this year's draft.

People on HF seem to have this obsession with very young rookies around 18 or 19 trumping all else. In reality, players who have NHL experience and are still improving at the age of 20-24 are more valuable then a guy who is 18 or 19 and "could be" that good.

Same goes for guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, Toews, Stamkos. You can hype up your Eberle, Hall, Paajrvi, Skinner etc. all you want, but the top guys in the league are still under 25 and improving, so who's to say their team's don't have bright futures either?
Good post. All good points you make. It seems like on this forum when a player hits 20 they no longer have the ability to improve.
I also think that McKegg will end up being the steel of the draft....he looks good so far.

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I'm gonna say Minnesota... we're looking at the next 3+ years in the lottery. 5-10 years from now, we should be dominant!

Seriously - how can Tampa get no love? Any team with Stamkos and Hedberg should at least get an honorable mention.

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That barely noone say that Panthers is crazy.

G: Markström, Cheverie, Salak, Plate
D: Ellerby, Robak, Gudbransson, Petrovic, Comrie
F: Bjugstad, Howden, McFarland, Shore, Wilson, Dadanov, Timmins, Jenks, Repik


Thats atleast a top5 prospectpool, together with Nashville, LA, Pheonix and Edmonton. Nashville has probably the best prospectpool in the league.
And you missed Kulikov on D there.

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Caps heavily overloaded with Russian prospects and players. Some of them could end up taking a detour away from NHL for the KHL in the future, no guarantees.
Obviously there are no guarantees, but having Ovechkin results in as close to a guarantee as one can get.

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And you missed Kulikov on D there.
Those were ONLY prospects.

I could have added Kulikov, Booth, Weiss, Frolik etc.

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