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10-15-2010, 05:47 PM
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The play he made to clear the zone on Orr's goal was a thing of beauty...
For those of us with our heads out of our butts that would be Hutchison.

Martin did try clear the zone and it took a bad bounce off the boards and came back to the Leafs. After that Fleury bailed him out Hutchison tryed a no look pass giving it back, then he left Martin alone with two guys in front of the net. Which is right here...

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10-18-2010, 10:28 AM
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Is he much better than Letang? How does he compare to Orpik?

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Is he much better than Letang? How does he compare to Orpik?

right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....

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10-18-2010, 11:08 AM
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Is he much better than Letang? How does he compare to Orpik?
All three possess a different style of defensive play. Martin is very cerebral. He practically knows what the skater is going to do with puck before the actual skater does. That is why he's always in tremendous position to break up the play, intercept the pass or use his ridiculous stick handing skills to escape out of his own end. Offensively, he's going to put up 45+ points because he's just a smart player. He'll find the open man and rack up a boatload of assists.

Orpik is just physical. The only comparable quality between Orpik and Martin is that they are both very fluid/talented skaters for being defenseman. Orpik is strong enough to separate the man from the puck and lay game changing hits. You won't see Martin do that. Orpik also makes a very good pass out of the zone but you won't see him put up tremendous offensive numbers.

Letang is like a Hybrid of the two who IMO has been just as good as Martin. Letang has the offensive ability, great skating and physicality that no other Dman on this Penguins squad has combined like he does. He's broken up a lot of two on one chances and looks very confident in his own end this year. I'm very pleased with Tanger.

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10-18-2010, 12:01 PM
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
...no?

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10-18-2010, 12:06 PM
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
yeah... no...

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10-18-2010, 12:07 PM
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
Not sure if serious...

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10-18-2010, 12:12 PM
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he's actually a lot better than i thought he would be. i did not think he would be better than gonchar, and although he's probably behind offensively as an overall player i'd rather have martin. extremely smart player and i'm happy he's a pen for 5 years.

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he's actually a lot better than i thought he would be. i did not think he would be better than gonchar, and although he's probably behind offensively as an overall player i'd rather have martin. extremely smart player and i'm happy he's a pen for 5 years.
Exactly. Both bring a different brand of style to the ice. Gonchar is more gifted offensive player while Martin is much better defensively. For me, I'd rather take Martin right now. He's younger, possesses offensive talent, very cerebral out on the ice and is very solid in his own end. Gonchar missed almost an entire seasons worth of hockey in his last two years with the Pens due to injury. Wanted to many years, especially at his salary, and was declining in his defensive play in his own end.

If Goligoski and Letang can continue to improve over the course of the season, Letang on the offensive end because he's already solid in his own end, and Goligoski in the defensive end and his decision making, then Shero will look a genius once again. Even more so, if Despres continues to improve and make the roster next year.

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10-18-2010, 12:20 PM
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...no?
yes.....

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yes.....
No. Not even remotely close.

Lovejoy is maybe a 6, but probably a 7. Letang is very easily a 3 or 4.

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10-18-2010, 12:41 PM
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I've been sort of disappointed in Letang for a while, now. But that's more because of the stagnation of his development coupled with higher expectations being set due to his fat new contract. The position he plays takes quite a while to really develop some consistency, unless you're just an absolutely exceptional talent, so I'm as willing to exercise patience with him as I am with Goligoski. One very encouraging thing about Letang is that he's shown for years, now, that he's willing and able to play a physical brand of hockey. That's something this team very much needs on it's blueline. Lovejoy is certainly nowhere on the same planet of ability as Letang... not even in the very small window of time that has been this season.

I might be reaching a bit, here but another big benefit of having Martin on the Penguins long-term is his influence over the other young defensemen on the team. Particularly Goligoski, I think. They have a little bit in common, being American, Golden Gophers and working out together in the offseason. Not to mention having a lot of similarities to their games.

People often over-emphasize the importance of coaching both positively and negatively. In a lot of ways, players working together and passing on their knowledge and experience to one another (particularly defensemen, I think) can have just as much, maybe more, of an impact.

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10-18-2010, 12:44 PM
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yes.....
To be fair, this isn't the first completely idiotic thing you've said, if you are in fact the same edog37 from the PMB back in the day.

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10-18-2010, 01:47 PM
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
Hi edung.

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To be fair, this isn't the first completely idiotic thing you've said, if you are in fact the same edog37 from the PMB back in the day.
It's not too hard to tell . . .

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10-18-2010, 02:19 PM
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It's not too hard to tell . . .
No, apparently not

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10-18-2010, 02:27 PM
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
Epic Fail post is Epic Fail.

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I might be reaching a bit, here but another big benefit of having Martin on the Penguins long-term is his influence over the other young defensemen on the team. Particularly Goligoski, I think. They have a little bit in common, being American, Golden Gophers and working out together in the offseason. Not to mention having a lot of similarities to their games.

People often over-emphasize the importance of coaching both positively and negatively. In a lot of ways, players working together and passing on their knowledge and experience to one another (particularly defensemen, I think) can have just as much, maybe more, of an impact.
No, I think you're right on. I mean, for Goligoski to excel defensively it would have to be in the same way that Martin plays, more or less. 5 years of playing together would surely teach him a few things, plus they seems to be close already.

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I'm thrilled with what I've seen so far. He is way faster than I thought, he's calm, he's smart, and has great hockey sense. He's an upgrade over Gonch in every facet except his shot and he's making less. Awesome decision to lock him up 5x5.

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Hey guys, just thought I'd drop in and see what's going...

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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
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right now, Lovejoy is a better overall defensemen than Letang.....
He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaack...


Letang had probably the best defensive game of his career on Saturday

Keep forgetting that that position takes forever to mature in, and I'd say both he and Gogo are starting to round out fine.

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I'm thrilled with what I've seen so far. He is way faster than I thought, he's calm, he's smart, and has great hockey sense. He's an upgrade over Gonch in every facet except his shot and he's making less. Awesome decision to lock him up 5x5.
I like him too, but does anyone feel that as good as he is, he's not 5M dollars a year good?

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I like him too, but does anyone feel that as good as he is, he's not 5M dollars a year good?
These days most top 4 defensemen make around 4M.

So 5M is pretty reasonable for locking in a top pairing guy entering his prime years.

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I like him too, but does anyone feel that as good as he is, he's not 5M dollars a year good?
Eh, I dunno. What are other $5M defensemen doing (too lazy to look it up). He's doing a good job. Lets not forget how Gonchar started off his career in a Pens uniform too...

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Martin is great player, but to me he's not a true #1.

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