You guys must be pretty angry that the NHL doesn't have the territorial rights that it once had in place before expansion...
If the same rules that existed back then were around today, the Canadiens would automatically have had first rights on Lecavalier and St Louis if they wanted them.
They'd probably look pretty nice in a Habs jersey too.
Not really. That was one of the silliest rules in NHL history. I'd like to think the team is long over building around the French, and believing Montreal is their rightful place.
If Saint Louis wins the Hart trophy he'll join Wayne Gretzky (3 times), Guy Lafleur (twice), Bobby Orr, Jean Béliveau, Gordie Howe, Bill Cowley and Howie Morenz as the only players who won the Stanley Cup, the scoring championship (Art Ross) and the mvp (Hart) during the same season. He'd be in pretty good company.
Yeah, agree!
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I'd take this guy on my team any day and I'd also like to have Lecavalier centering my second line instead of Ribeiro, if Bob could land him, but I'm day dreaming here.
Oh my god, what a joke!
Are you telling us that if somehow Gainey could land Lecavalier here in Montreal he would be our second center??
Hellooooooooooooo???
You-Houuuu !!??
Are you gettin' nuts? ???? ????? ... (rolleyes big as an elephant)
Did you watch the same playoff hockey as I did ...and as did hockey fans in North America? Hellooooo?? Did you watch Teletubbies instead of hockey? (joke, hahaha)
Fact about Vinny Lecavalier: Lecavalier is now a top elite star player, name it. He would be our FIRST CENTER and captain courageous Saku would become our SECOND center (and doing a pretty good job at this position ).
You have no idea how ignorant you are. Do you know how many players it gave us (who made it to the NHL)? Ok the awnser is one player and it's Rejean Houle. I cannot beleive there's some people still talking about this today. Heck, it has given us ONE FRIGGIN PLAYER!
Oh my god, what a joke!
Are you telling us that if somehow Gainey could land Lecavalier here in Montreal he would be our second center??
I agree with you. If Bob Gainey landed Lecavalier he would automatically become the Habs' first line center. However, Saku's production over the last 2 years isn't that far behind Vinny considering he was injured a good part of last season and his wingers were changed on a weekly basis.
Anyway, I'm quite sure the Habs wouldn't keep a second line center making the kind of money Saku is making. Saku would be gone in no time if we landed Lecavalier. It's a secret to no one that Lecavalier hates Tortorella and would love to play in Montreal.
I still hope Bob Gainey will try to acquire him. I can dream, can't I. Either Brad Richards or Vincent Lecavalier will become too expensive as a second line center in Tampa Bay, especially with the new CBA.
I agree with you. If Bob Gainey landed Lecavalier he would automatically become the Habs' first line center. However, Saku's production over the last 2 years isn't that far behind Vinny considering he was injured a good part of last season and his wingers were changed on a weekly basis.
Anyway, I'm quite sure the Habs wouldn't keep a second line center making the kind of money Saku is making. Saku would be gone in no time if we landed Lecavalier. It's a secret to no one that Lecavalier hates Tortorella and would love to play in Montreal.
I still hope Bob Gainey will try to acquire him. I can dream, can't I. Either Brad Richards or Vincent Lecavalier will become too expensive as a second line center in Tampa Bay, especially with the new CBA.
Too bad, having both Vinny and Saku would be the best. It all depends on how much other Habs are paid. If they become too good or if they have a good agent they ask for the big price.
Vinny as a first center is good but I'm not sold on Ribs being the perfect second center, at least not in the playoffs time when he becomes less energized after 82 games. I would trust more Saku because his working ethic is proven. At long term, I think (or I hope) that a guy like Higgins or Pleks or Urquhart could develop into a solid second line center.
Anyway, I hope if Vinny or St-Louis lands here, the fans will welcome them and I will not read negative posts like what I saw in this thread. I've saw many interviews of Vinny and St-Louis and I didn't find anything wrong or arrogant from them. They might not be as charismatic as Lafleur, Cournoyer, Béliveau, Robinson* but they never said things like Rolston or Stevenson said about the CH.
What the heck, if they makes the team wins (eventually bring the 25th Cup) how in the world can we hate them? For having a character in their own? For having a facial that doesn't please everybody (in french we say “avoir une face qui nous revient pas, c'est mauvais de juger selon le visage, au fond c'est juste une question d'épaisseur de peau ici ou lŕ”).
*Roy and Carbonneau were not as charismatic as the players mentioned and they have dye-hard fans so...
As we seem to have given up on the Ribeiro/Koivu debate,thankfully, who would you take between Lecavalier and Richards ? Interesting choice, Lecavalier looks better is more the crowd pleaser, but Richards gets the results. As impressive as Lecavalier is/was, he puts up points at a lower rate than you would expect after watching him. Richards, who you may not notice for a few shifts, makes the nice pass or jumps into an opening and piles up the points. Comparing them if there is hockey next year will be interesting.
As we seem to have given up on the Ribeiro/Koivu debate,thankfully, who would you take between Lecavalier and Richards ? Interesting choice, Lecavalier looks better is more the crowd pleaser, but Richards gets the results. As impressive as Lecavalier is/was, he puts up points at a lower rate than you would expect after watching him. Richards, who you may not notice for a few shifts, makes the nice pass or jumps into an opening and piles up the points. Comparing them if there is hockey next year will be interesting.
Very good question, I would lean towards Richards because of what you have mentioned but I would be concerned about his scoreless droughts.
As we seem to have given up on the Ribeiro/Koivu debate,thankfully, who would you take between Lecavalier and Richards ? Interesting choice, Lecavalier looks better is more the crowd pleaser, but Richards gets the results. As impressive as Lecavalier is/was, he puts up points at a lower rate than you would expect after watching him. Richards, who you may not notice for a few shifts, makes the nice pass or jumps into an opening and piles up the points. Comparing them if there is hockey next year will be interesting.
Wow, that's a good question. As to the results, we might also bear in mind that Lecavalier did get 78 pts last year to Richards' 74, so there is at least an argument beyond this season that Lecavalier has the ability to match Richards in that area. I think I would take Lecavalier for potential (he could have more room to get better still than Richards), size, physical play, and all that, but it's really really close. Really close.
As for St-Louis, i like him as a hockey player. He's very quick & explosive. But i really don't like his personnality. He don't seems very bright. Sure, he have good perseverence but he is not a classy guy. But all in all, he is a great asset for the Bolts!
This may be the funniest thing I've read in a loooooooong time. "He don't seems very bright."
Nice.
St. Louis has more class than 99% of the guys in the league. What part of him don't you like? The story of him making it? His almost over the top humility? The fact all he ever wants to talk about is his little boy when asked about his great year? He never refuses an autograph? He spent the first 3 minutes of his Hart acceptance speech congratulating Iginla? He wins the Pearson and admits it doesn't mean he's the best player in the league? Not bright? He's a freakin' college graduate (as are most of us, but not many of the players) and understands the game so well he's able to use that to help overcome his size. St. Louis is the most self-less, humble, hard-working player you could meet. Pose your statement to anyone - fans and coaches and teammates to anyone that's every been around him and see what their reaction is. After they get up off the floor laughing they may give you an answer.
Is it because his team beat out the Habs? Understandable, but rather blind homerish. I still think the Habs have the best fans in the league after the TB-MTL match-up, but let's not get silly here.
Maybe if he had the class of Ribeiro he'd be more admired. HA!
Did you ever think he was yelling because the crowd in Calgary was so loud? I watched him in training camp in September going out of his way helping the rookies and prospects with their games.
Tortorella yelled over the noise to congratulate Lecavalier earlier in the year and CBC ran the clip and said "the two are at it again." Silly.
The funny thing is these guys bend over backwards to claim that Iginla is the classiest player in the league. Jarome says all the right things off the ice, but what about the major F-bombs he was dropping on the refs night in and night out when things didn't go his way? Martin St. Louis gets body slammed, cross checked, carved up by high sticks, and he never cusses out the refs with the vitriol Jarome Iginla did in the Finals. So tell me what's classier? Honestly Lecavalier and St. Louis should sue some of you dolts for libel for the total BS you spew about them. Please please PLEASE take a look in the mirror and see what poor sports you're being about what happened in the Lightning/Canadiens series. I know you're better than that.
This may be the funniest thing I've read in a loooooooong time. "He don't seems very bright."
Nice.
St. Louis has more class than 99% of the guys in the league. What part of him don't you like? The story of him making it? His almost over the top humility? The fact all he ever wants to talk about is his little boy when asked about his great year? He never refuses an autograph? He spent the first 3 minutes of his Hart acceptance speech congratulating Iginla? He wins the Pearson and admits it doesn't mean he's the best player in the league? Not bright? He's a freakin' college graduate (as are most of us, but not many of the players) and understands the game so well he's able to use that to help overcome his size. St. Louis is the most self-less, humble, hard-working player you could meet. Pose your statement to anyone - fans and coaches and teammates to anyone that's every been around him and see what their reaction is. After they get up off the floor laughing they may give you an answer.
Is it because his team beat out the Habs? Understandable, but rather blind homerish. I still think the Habs have the best fans in the league after the TB-MTL match-up, but let's not get silly here.
Maybe if he had the class of Ribeiro he'd be more admired. HA!
Did you ever think he was yelling because the crowd in Calgary was so loud? I watched him in training camp in September going out of his way helping the rookies and prospects with their games.
Tortorella yelled over the noise to congratulate Lecavalier earlier in the year and CBC ran the clip and said "the two are at it again." Silly.
Well said
people judge players over interviews & if the guy is not comfortable with the media he can perceive the wrong way.
This may be the funniest thing I've read in a loooooooong time. "He don't seems very bright."
Nice.
St. Louis has more class than 99% of the guys in the league. What part of him don't you like? The story of him making it? His almost over the top humility? The fact all he ever wants to talk about is his little boy when asked about his great year? He never refuses an autograph? He spent the first 3 minutes of his Hart acceptance speech congratulating Iginla? He wins the Pearson and admits it doesn't mean he's the best player in the league? Not bright? He's a freakin' college graduate (as are most of us, but not many of the players) and understands the game so well he's able to use that to help overcome his size. St. Louis is the most self-less, humble, hard-working player you could meet. Pose your statement to anyone - fans and coaches and teammates to anyone that's every been around him and see what their reaction is. After they get up off the floor laughing they may give you an answer.
Is it because his team beat out the Habs? Understandable, but rather blind homerish. I still think the Habs have the best fans in the league after the TB-MTL match-up, but let's not get silly here.
Maybe if he had the class of Ribeiro he'd be more admired. HA!
Did you ever think he was yelling because the crowd in Calgary was so loud? I watched him in training camp in September going out of his way helping the rookies and prospects with their games.
Tortorella yelled over the noise to congratulate Lecavalier earlier in the year and CBC ran the clip and said "the two are at it again." Silly.
The funny thing is these guys bend over backwards to claim that Iginla is the classiest player in the league. Jarome says all the right things off the ice, but what about the major F-bombs he was dropping on the refs night in and night out when things didn't go his way? Martin St. Louis gets body slammed, cross checked, carved up by high sticks, and he never cusses out the refs with the vitriol Jarome Iginla did in the Finals. So tell me what's classier? Honestly Lecavalier and St. Louis should sue some of you dolts for libel for the total BS you spew about them. Please please PLEASE take a look in the mirror and see what poor sports you're being about what happened in the Lightning/Canadiens series. I know you're better than that.
To sue for libel, these particular comments would have to be made in print, and not on a message board... You're way off base here. Iginla was swearing because his team got a penalty with 1 minute left in game 7 with his team down by one. Who here would not have sworn at the ref if put in the same situation? Besides, the hit he took wasn't even a penalty, which is why he was so mad. And why would a ref call a penalty with that situation? It's just a case of a smaller player having his head down and taking a beating for it by a bigger player. I don't think that was a penalty, and neither was the one Pratt took that Calgary scored on the PP. It's sad that such refing like this happens in such an important game.
To sue for libel, these particular comments would have to be made in print, and not on a message board... You're way off base here. Iginla was swearing because his team got a penalty with 1 minute left in game 7 with his team down by one. Who here would not have sworn at the ref if put in the same situation? Besides, the hit he took wasn't even a penalty, which is why he was so mad. And why would a ref call a penalty with that situation? It's just a case of a smaller player having his head down and taking a beating for it by a bigger player. I don't think that was a penalty, and neither was the one Pratt took that Calgary scored on the PP. It's sad that such refing like this happens in such an important game.
St. Louis was bleeding and still had nasty cuts three days later, but it wasn't a penalty? Many have speculated that the refs simply called it "charging" to avoid giving the obvious 4 minutes for high sticking. I want the refs showing consistency by calling penalties WHENEVER they occur. Some say calling such penalties affects the outcome, but to not do so is to affect the outcome by giving the team committing an infraction a clear advantage. Anyway, that has nothing to do with anything.
The main Iginla swear-fest was after Lecavalier got hit by Nieminen. Iggy had a fit right after and then went up to the ref after the game and said "You robbed us, nice job" only with several F-bombs thrown in. This was the same night his dad had been on TV telling us how Jesus ruled Jarome's life *cough cough*. Iginla is obviously a great guy with a good heart off the ice, but on the ice he can be quite a whiny ***** IMO.
I'm curious to see who wins the Lecavalier vs. Richards debate here, but don't hold your breath on getting either one of them.
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What does this thread have to do with the Habs, and why wasn't it closed from the 1st post (which seemed like plain on trolling to me, or just a general lack of information) Why not take this to the tampa board? you guys can go at till the cows come home about how great St. Louis is or what a class act Iggy is.
Please guys stop with this non sense and let the past be the past. Stick to what we are here to talk about this stuff is useless and you know its getting no where.
You guys must be pretty angry that the NHL doesn't have the territorial rights that it once had in place before expansion...
If the same rules that existed back then were around today, the Canadiens would automatically have had first rights on Lecavalier and St Louis if they wanted them.
They'd probably look pretty nice in a Habs jersey too.
St. Louis was developed at the University of Vermont, not in Quebec.
What does this thread have to do with the Habs, and why wasn't it closed from the 1st post (which seemed like plain on trolling to me, or just a general lack of information) Why not take this to the tampa board? you guys can go at till the cows come home about how great St. Louis is or what a class act Iggy is.
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Iginla is obviously a great guy with a good heart off the ice, but on the ice he can be quite a whiny ***** IMO.
